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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, it does, and it funds the invaders through any number of NGOs and "Christian" charities.

    Catholic Charities being one of the worst.



    Invading migrant hordes are the death of individualism.

    There will be no individual in the coming system: just a nameless, faceless, hopeless, moiling, mob of gray humanity, frantically scurrying on a rat wheel of endless debt, consuming their way toward government approved and strictly de-delineated "happiness" all under the watchful eye of the global surveillance state.

    That is why government funds the NGOs that facilitate the invasion and why every single government media organ, bar none, are universally in favor of unlimited migrant invasion, from anywhere in the world, especially those people most diametrically foreign and different from the native populations.
    I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

    Libertarian = Individual Rights

    Globalism = Collectivism
    Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?
    Not beyond borders until the whole world is libertarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ^^^ Look here, folks! ^^^

    Shill wants to emulate other countries, and so conditioned as not to recognize a police state of which he advocates!

    This is def a keeper LOL
    Yes, I want to emulate countries that SURVIVED and avoided conquest.
    No defending your borders is NOT a police state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not beyond borders until the whole world is libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

    Libertarian = Individual Rights

    Globalism = Collectivism
    In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

    (the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

    https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders

    The Libertarian Argument for Open Borders

    Libertarians should support open borders, with possible exceptions for the exclusion of convicted criminals and people carrying disease.

    Introduction

    Since its beginnings in the Enlightenment era, libertarianism has been a cosmopolitan ideology. Yet, some people in the libertarian camp have made calls to “secure the border” or to restrict immigration for other reasons, like keeping out people they worry will undermine the cultural foundations of liberty. Today, I’m going to offer a broad overview of immigration policy from a libertarian perspective. First, I will offer several libertarian arguments for open borders. These are the economic gains open borders make possible, the institutional benefits open borders create, and respect for people’s right to free association. Second, I will discuss two objections against open borders commonly raised by critics. These are the question of whether the government should pick and choose, allowing in only beneficial immigrants, and a concern about the effects that open borders would have in concert with the welfare state. After dealing with those specific objections, I will point out some flaws common to those and other objections to free immigration.

    The Case for Open Borders

    Economic Benefits

    Essentially, borders are barriers to trade. Imagine if tomorrow the government declared that to travel or move goods from North Dakota to South Dakota, you had to go through a customs station, show documentation, answer questions, etc. just like you would have to do to travel from New York to Ontario or Montana to Alberta. There would be a lot less travel and commerce between North and South Dakota, right? And both States would be poorer as a result! That thought experiment suggests that existing border controls are doing a lot of economic damage. Some economists have projected that allowing free immigration to any country could, as a median estimation, double world GDP. The more potential trading partners you have, the greater the potential gains from trade. Allowing people to gather where they wish is a way to facilitate realizing those gains.

    Institutional Benefits

    What can be done to spread freedom around the world? One answer is to make different governments compete for citizens. States with private property protections, low taxes, and something like the rule of law are more attractive places to live than places that lack those institutions. When people leave the jurisdictions of bad governments, it deprives those governments of material support. That only works, though, if other countries are willing to take in the people who have left.

    Freedom of Association

    One of the fundamental rights all humans have is the right to associate, or not, with whomever they choose. Immigration controls infringe on that right. If you want to meet your friend for coffee, you have a right to do that so long as you do not violate anyone else’s rights in the process. Crossing an international border does not harm anyone’s person or property, so it is a protected action. Preventing you from crossing the border to see your friend, or preventing them from coming to visit you, is no more justifiable than the government erecting roadblocks around a church or other private gathering place to prevent people from meeting there.

    Objections to Open Borders

    Why Not Pick and Choose?

    There’s a line of thought that goes like this. Sure, immigrants may on net be a boon to the economy, but some of them are a drain. Sure, many immigrants assimilate into the American mainstream, but some of them hold political views less libertarian than the median American, or cultural values less conducive to a free society. Why not, then, let in the beneficial immigrants, and keep the harmful ones out?

    The thing proponents of this view are missing is this: Why would you ever trust a government, any government, to make that determination? Why would you think a government had an interest in making that determination correctly, or the means to do so?

    If the government were capable of determining in advance which immigrants would be economically advantageous, why not also trust it to determine which energy companies are best? And yet we know how the Solyndra fiasco turned out. The whole thing is just economic central planning in disguise.

    The possible exceptions to this rule are exclusion on the basis of criminality or for public health reasons. Such restrictions are based on verifiable facts about things that have already happened, rather than speculations about what might happen in the future. This is in line with the libertarian impulse that people’s rights should only be restricted if they have violated the rights of others, as in the case of criminality, or if their action would endanger the lives or property of others, as in the case of quarantine. Even still, there is potential for abuse. Persons the government deems threats not to its citizens but to its own power might be excluded for politically motivated convictions in other countries. If you give the state discretion, experience shows that it may well use that discretion in unjust ways.

    What About the Welfare State?

    Another common objection is that the arrival of immigrants might lead to the expansion of the welfare state. This is a good argument for abolishing the welfare state and a bad argument for restricting immigration. So long as we live in a mixed economy with socialist elements, libertarian changes in any given area run risks of this type. Those libertarians who are not opposed to taxation in general are typically against special carve-outs, such as special tax breaks for married couples or people with children. Yet, gay marriage and gay adoption expand the number of people eligible for those carve-outs. Is that a good reason to oppose gay marriage and gay adoption? No, it’s a reason to reform the tax code.

    John Locke put it in no uncertain terms in his essay “For a General Naturalisation:”

    Another objection very apt to be made is that it will increase the number of the poor…If by poor are meant such as want relief and being idle themselves live upon the labour of others; if there be any such poor amongst us already who are able to work and do not, ’tis a shame to the government and a fault in our constitution and ought to be remedied, for whilst that is permitted we must ruin, whether we have many or few people.

    The welfare state may be bad, but that’s no reason for libertarians to support immigration restrictions.

    Some General Problems with Objections to Immigration

    Most objections to free immigration prove more than the person objecting would like. Walter Block and Gene Callahan point out that many arguments leveled against immigrants—they cost taxpayers money, they are permitted on public property, a sufficiently large number of them could wipe out our cultural identity—apply just as readily to domestically bred-and-born infants (p. 55). They might end up on welfare! They have strange customs, an alien culture! They might vote Democrat! Of course, they might do these things, but concerns about negative consequences are hardly reason to give in to statism and exclude peaceful immigrants from our society by force, as Block points out in a different paper (p. 185). Moreover, say Block and Callahan (p. 63), why stop at trans-national border crossings? Most arguments for restricting that sort of movement would also give us reason to prevent intra-national movement of persons.

    Conclusion

    Libertarianism has a long history of favoring the free movement of goods and persons across government-imposed borders. That history goes back to the Enlightenment and continues today. In the Second Treatise (section 118), Locke says that when a child comes of age, he is “at liberty what government he will put himself under, what body politic he will unite himself to.” In Liberalism, Ludwig von Mises writes “There cannot be the slightest doubt that migration barriers diminish the productivity of human labor.” In his paper on immigration, Michael Huemer concludes “that for the most part, advocates of restriction have failed to satisfy the burden of justification created by the harmful, coercive nature of their favored policy, and that a far more liberal immigration policy is demanded by respect for individual rights.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

    (the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

    https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders
    Let me know when we have an ideal libertarian world because we don't yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Let me know when we have an ideal libertarian world because we don't yet.
    So let's stick with dictators and police states and act like them while only pretending to support liberty.

    It's not a police state, it's what every nation in history has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Maybe people should be free to travel to any country they want at any time without being checked at borders for any ID or papers? Kind of "open borders" thing?
    I can’t get on a plane to fly to Florida without documents, a personal search, a luggage search and a lot of crankiness.
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    Most objections to free immigration prove more than the person objecting would like. Walter Block and Gene Callahan point out that many arguments leveled against immigrants—they cost taxpayers money, they are permitted on public property, a sufficiently large number of them could wipe out our cultural identity—apply just as readily to domestically bred-and-born infants (p. 55). They might end up on welfare! They have strange customs, an alien culture! They might vote Democrat! Of course, they might do these things, but concerns about negative consequences are hardly reason to give in to statism and exclude peaceful immigrants from our society by force, as Block points out in a different paper (p. 185). Moreover, say Block and Callahan (p. 63), why stop at trans-national border crossings? Most arguments for restricting that sort of movement would also give us reason to prevent intra-national movement of persons.
    And with the TSA Domestic Blueprint right here in our own Land of the Free country, all the more reason to heed these words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So let's stick with dictators and police states and act like them while only pretending to support liberty.
    No, let's keep out people like that until they copy our domestic example of liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, let's keep out people like that until they copy our domestic example of liberty.
    Seriously, are you completely strung out on dope? You want to restrict liberty so that they can copy our domestic example of liberty.

    Please. Seek serious, serious help. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Seriously, are you completely strung out on dope? You want to restrict liberty so that they can copy our domestic example of liberty.

    Please. Seek serious, serious help. Please.
    You are the one whose brain is addled, you want to let unlimited numbers of people from anti-liberty cultures into the US and claim that liberty will increase as a result, you want to pretend that the whole world is already a libertarian paradise.

    Seek help.

    We can create as much liberty within the country as possible while keeping out people who will destroy it until they copy our example or we can let the natural forces of tyranny reduce us to the lowest common denominator of tyranny like everywhere else and see liberty go extinct.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are the one whose brain is addled, you want to let unlimited numbers of people from anti-liberty cultures into the US and claim that liberty will increase as a result, you want to pretend that the whole world is already a libertarian paradise.

    Seek help.

    We can create as much liberty within the country as possible while keeping out people who will destroy it until they copy our example or we can let the natural forces of tyranny reduce us to the lowest common denominator of tyranny like everywhere else and see liberty go extinct.
    There are roughly 7.7 Billion people on this planet. Including me, (not you) +/- 3% understand true liberty and actually strive to live it as best we can, everywhere we can. That leaves 97% of the worlds population who either succumb to and/or support government baureocrats - like you.

    And whatever psychotic drugs you may or may not be on, you actually believe that I am going to personally restrict MY own freedom and liberty to help the government in their ultimate objective while waiting for the entire planet of stupid sheep to play catch up?

    Do you actually believe for a moment, that with my experience, intellect and Agorist lifestyle, that I am going to fall for what you are spewing?

    Do you ever leave your basement, even for a few minutes a day, to get a little fresh air?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    There are roughly 7.7 Billion people on this planet. Including me, (not you) +/- 3% understand true liberty and actually strive to live it as best we can, everywhere we can. That leaves 97% of the worlds population who either succumb to and/or support government baureocrats - like you.

    And whatever psychotic drugs you may or may not be on, you actually believe that I am going to personally restrict MY own freedom and liberty to help the government in their ultimate objective while waiting for the entire planet of stupid sheep to play catch up?

    Do you actually believe for a moment, that with my experience, intellect and Agorist lifestyle, that I am going to fall for what you are spewing?

    Do you ever leave your basement, even for a few minutes a day, to get a little fresh air?

    Keep raving, maybe it will help your therapy.

    You are the one who wants to allow in millions of people who will restrict your freedom and mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?
    It does to an extent. My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

    (the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

    https://www.libertarianism.org/colum...t-open-borders
    It has been quite a few years since I read Liberty Defined, but I will accept your quote. I will say that we don't live in an ideal libertarian world and never will as much as I wish it to be so. Here on Earth we have non-libertarian idiots to deal with... yes you Zippy.
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    Exclamation Abe Lincoln Republicans - Illegal Alien Invaders from the start

    Never forget, Abe Lincoln was an illegal alien invader at Appomattox Court House, Virginia, Confederate States of America.

    Reconquista Republicans from the start. The GOP has had no regard for borders or national sovereignty, ever.
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    This has been in the works for a long time now. I doubt its reversible at this point.
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    What I'm seeing in this thread is a debate about the merits/benefits of open borders immigration vs. closed borders. Been there, done that x1000.

    The 2 year old article and video in the op are about a coming wave of people through a UN program to essentially destroy the country. Would be more interested to hear commentary on this aspect rather than the age old debate we keep rehashing, plenty of other threads for that.

    It seems like aspects of what this whistle blower said are playing out, whether you support these events happening or not. The caravans have felt artificially created since day 1, with people being handed out money to start their journey here, ignoring offered job opportunities and safer existence in areas of Mexico, and instead pushing past to make it to the US border. The whistle blower's statements would explain why the feeling of artificiality has existed, because this was not some spontaneously created event where war stricken, impoverished individuals were looking to cash in on an over bloated welfare system, which is a large incentivizing problem in itself, but to get here and create chaos through border camps, disease, and the flooding of cities, first sanctuary cities, then all major cities.

    The people coming up here are not at fault and should not be blamed, nor should the concerned citizens that don't like what they are seeing unfold, whether pro/anti illegal immigration, they are all being used, like any other group in history, to do the bidding of other collective interests of unseen/unheard groups that they may be completely unaware of. The focus should be on the unseen and unheard and what they are up to, and not getting caught in the quagmire of intense debate about how good/bad open immigration may be. If the attention remains away from those that plan events like this, then everyone loses in the end, regardless of which side you fall on right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    What I'm seeing in this thread is a debate about the merits/benefits of open borders immigration vs. closed borders. Been there, done that x1000.

    The 2 year old article and video in the op are about a coming wave of people through a UN program to essentially destroy the country. Would be more interested to hear commentary on this aspect rather than the age old debate we keep rehashing, plenty of other threads for that.

    It seems like aspects of what this whistle blower said are playing out, whether you support these events happening or not. The caravans have felt artificially created since day 1, with people being handed out money to start their journey here, ignoring offered job opportunities and safer existence in areas of Mexico, and instead pushing past to make it to the US border. The whistle blower's statements would explain why the feeling of artificiality has existed, because this was not some spontaneously created event where war stricken, impoverished individuals were looking to cash in on an over bloated welfare system, which is a large incentivizing problem in itself, but to get here and create chaos through border camps, disease, and the flooding of cities, first sanctuary cities, then all major cities.

    The people coming up here are not at fault and should not be blamed, nor should the concerned citizens that don't like what they are seeing unfold, whether pro/anti illegal immigration, they are all being used, like any other group in history, to do the bidding of other collective interests of unseen/unheard groups that they may be completely unaware of. The focus should be on the unseen and unheard and what they are up to, and not getting caught in the quagmire of intense debate about how good/bad open immigration may be. If the attention remains away from those that plan events like this, then everyone loses in the end, regardless of which side you fall on right now.
    I agree but whenever those of us who see what is happening try to move on to what we can do about it the anarchists start telling us we are NAZIs and we arrive back at the old open borders/immigration control debate.
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  26. #52
    We don't have open borders anyways.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    We don't have open borders anyways.
    We have 20+ million invaders and a flood of new invaders coming every day.

    Semantic games don't change that.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We have 20+ million invaders and a flood of new invaders coming every day.

    Semantic games don't change that.
    Speaking of semantic games...

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Speaking of semantic games...
    Yes, you want to play more of them and deny it's an invasion, we know.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, you want to play more of them and deny it's an invasion, we know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, ....

    Bring on the NWO, we all knew why you were here, now you publish it.

    Precious.


  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    To answer your question, yes of course it does, when those who are "the same" come from an understanding of liberty and the rights of the individual to be sacrosanct.
    WHERE - OH, WHERE! - THE EVER LOVING MOTHER $#@! ARE THESE PEOPLE!?

    My LIFE, my fortune, for THESE PEOPLE!

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?
    freedom of movement? You mean that movement where you also welcome in potential criminals as well?

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