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    ‘These People Aren’t Coming From Norway’: Refugees in a Minnesota City Face a Backlash

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/u...ees-trump.html

    As more Somali refugees arrive in St. Cloud, white anti-immigration activists have pressed an increasingly explicit anti-Muslim agenda.

    By Astead W. Herndon

    June 20, 2019

    ST. CLOUD, Minn. — John Palmer, a former university professor, has always had a cause. For decades he urged Minnesota officials to face the dangers of drunken driving and embrace seatbelts. Now he has a new goal: curbing the resettlement of Somali refugees in St. Cloud, after a few thousand moved into this small city where Mr. Palmer has lived for decades.

    Every weekday, he sits in the same spot at Culver’s restaurant — the corner booth near the Kwik Trip — and begins his daily intake of news from xenophobic and conspiratorial sites, such as JihadWatch.org, and articles with titles like “Lifting the Veil on the ‘Islamophobia’ Hoax.” On Thursdays, Mr. Palmer hosts a group called Concerned Community Citizens, or C-Cubed, which he formed to pressure local officials over the Muslim refugees. Mr. Palmer said at a recent meeting he viewed them as innately less intelligent than the “typical” American citizen, as well as a threat.

    “The very word ‘Islamophobia’ is a false narrative,” Mr. Palmer, 70, said. “A phobia is an irrational fear.” Raising his voice, he added, “An irrational fear! There are many reasons we are not being irrational.”

    In this predominantly white region of central Minnesota, the influx of Somalis, most of whom are Muslim, has spurred the sort of demographic and cultural shifts that President Trump and right-wing conservatives have stoked fears about for years. The resettlement has divided many politically active residents of St. Cloud, with some saying they welcome the migrants.

    But for others, the changes have fueled talk about “white replacement,” a racist conspiracy theory tied to the declining birthrates of white Americans that has spread in far-right circles and online chat rooms and is now surfacing in some communities.

    “If we start changing our way of life to accommodate where they came from, guess what happens to our country?” said Liz Baklaich, a member of C-Cubed who unsuccessfully ran for St. Cloud City Council last year. She carries an annotated Quran in her purse. “If our country becomes like Somalia, there is nowhere for us to go.

    Minnesota’s biggest city, Minneapolis, has long struggled to incorporate a growing immigrant population into the city’s fabric, but the recent ascension of some former refugees into political power was taken as a sign of progress by many liberals. In central Minnesota, which is more conservative than the state’s urban centers, advocates for refugees fear that the resettlements could be met with more resistance.

    Dave Kleis, the Republican mayor of St. Cloud, has voiced support for the resettlement program, but he has also drawn criticism for not forcefully denouncing groups like C-Cubed, which he refused to discuss in an interview. Mr. Kleis said the city was facing the same challenges as other parts of Minnesota and other changing communities around the country. St. Cloud, the state’s 10th-largest city, increased in population by 33 percent over the last 30 years, to roughly 70,000 people. The share of nonwhite residents grew to 18 percent from 2 percent, mostly with East African immigrants from Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia, and the numbers of Somalis are estimated to grow.

    Their increased presence — and an attack at a mall in 2016, when Dahir Adan, a Somali-American refugee living in St. Cloud, stabbed 10 people — has emboldened a loosely connected network of white, anti-immigration activists who are trying to pressure local and state Republicans to embrace an increasingly explicit anti-Muslim agenda.

    Across the state, this network includes conservative radio hosts, think tanks and digital media that focus on anti-refugee news in Minnesota, as well as small community groups like C-Cubed, which repeatedly invite anti-Muslim speakers to town, leading to clashes and protests. Formed in 2017 to support more nativist candidates on the City Council, C-Cubed is a small group of only about a dozen members, but its existence has already changed the city’s political landscape.

    C-Cubed supported four candidates for City Council last year, and two won seats, although Mr. Palmer himself lost. Members say they are raising questions about the state’s refugee program in order to determine its total cost. But in interviews, many repeatedly outlined more fundamental fears, including the belief that an influx of people who were nonwhite and non-Christian posed a cultural threat.

    Several of the group’s members and their allies said their stand against immigration was a small part of a broader national conflict, in which the rising tide of a multicultural, multiracial Democratic Party must be opposed.

    Kim Crockett, the vice president and general counsel of a conservative Minnesota think tank called the Center of the American Experiment, said she intended to eventually sue the state and challenge the resettlement program in court.

    “I think of America, the great assimilator, as a rubber band, but with this — we’re at the breaking point,” Ms. Crockett said. “These aren’t people coming from Norway, let’s put it that way. These people are very visible.”

    ‘This is the Hatfields and McCoys’

    Though it predates Mr. Trump, the opposition to migrant resettlement among some Minnesotans has been invigorated by the president, who has repeatedly demeaned refugees and Muslims, and who recently announced a restrictive immigration proposal that included cultural provisions such as preferential treatment for English speakers.

    In St. Cloud, some opponents of the refugee program have taken the introduction of non-pork options in the local public schools as an attack on their way of life. The 2018 elections of Representative Ilhan Omar and Attorney General Keith Ellison, who are Muslim, fueled xenophobic conspiracies that Muslim residents were planning a long-term coup to institute Shariah Law. They also point to individual instances of crime by Somali-Americans as proof of an innate predisposition to violence, and ignore the repeated studies showing that there is no demonstrated link between immigrants and criminal behavior.

    Catholic Charities, one of the providers who led the state’s refugee program, recently announced it would no longer be participating, saying it was focusing resources on homelessness and helping at-risk children. This came after years of community pressure from conservatives — including a 2016 billboard in St. Cloud that read, “Catholic Charities Resettles Islamists: EVIL or INSANITY?”

    Paul Brandmire, a Republican member of the St. Cloud City Council who is skeptical about the resettlement program, said some white residents had come to see themselves in a fight for survival.

    The refugees are “not leaving,” Mr. Brandmire said.

    “They’re becoming American citizens. And they have every right to, but this is killing us,” he continued. “This is the Hatfields and McCoys.”

    A 2018 poll from The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported that almost 50 percent of Minnesota Republicans wanted the state to temporarily stop accepting refugees, and during the midterm elections the most prominent members of the state’s Republican ticket all pledged to institute a moratorium on resettlement. A New York Times poll from 2018 showed the 8th Congressional District — in the state’s northern region — was one of the few areas where 50 percent of people said discrimination against white Americans had become as big a problem as discrimination against minority groups.

    Earlier this year, at a Republican town hall in nearby Anoka County, an argument erupted between some residents and Representative Tom Emmer because he had not backed a bill that would designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group. National Republicans have also pointed to Minnesota, and the two Democratic House seats that Republicans flipped there in a tough midterm election, as proof Mr. Trump’s brand of grievance politics has political potency that may be underrated in Washington.

    In the days before the 2016 presidential election, Mr. Trump visited Minnesota to pitch a proposal to halt all resettlement of Syrian refugees to America, in what would eventually become his travel ban to seven countries, many of them with Muslim majorities.

    “Here in Minnesota you have seen firsthand the problems caused with faulty refugee vetting, with large numbers of Somali refugees coming into your state, without your knowledge, without your support or approval,” Mr. Trump said at a Minneapolis rally at the time. “You’ve suffered enough in Minnesota.”

    Two years ago in St. Cloud, Jeff Johnson, a city councilman, introduced a resolution that would temporarily halt refugee resettlement until a study of its economic impact was completed. The idea arose, Mr. Johnson said, after he spoke by phone with officials from the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, an anti-immigration firm that has gained influence in the Trump era. The resolution was defeated, but its introduction caused significant uproar in St. Cloud, and pushed some residents to form or join opposing community groups.

    Among them was a pro-refugee organization, #UniteCloud, that has become a prominent force in trying to build relationships and a sense of community across demographics.

    Natalie Ringsmuth, a white St. Cloud resident who formed the #UniteCloud group, said Mr. Trump had “made people feel bold in not being ‘Minnesota nice’ anymore.” Ms. Ringsmuth runs a website that highlights positive stories about the city’s refugee community, and recently made a welcome video that asks local immigrants questions like, “What do you want people to know about Muslim women?”

    “Things are fraught. And they’re fraught not only in St. Cloud, but in central Minnesota,” Ms. Ringsmuth said. “What might have been talked about only in kitchen tables or small groups is now prime conversation for the public.”

    Bob Carrillo, a former radio host who lives in St. Michael, Minn., and has gained prominence for his anti-immigrant stance, said Mr. Trump had given voice to the concerns of “longtime Minnesotans.” At a coffee shop in St. Cloud, Mr. Carrillo also set a framed picture of his white grandchildren on the center of the table, meant to amplify the emotional impact of his xenophobic thesis: that Muslims pose an existential threat to the safety of his family.

    “They’re 2 percent of the population right now, and in 5 to 10 years they’ll be at 5 percent,” Mr. Carrillo said. “At that point, we’re done for.”

    ‘It’s hard to be accepted for who you are’

    Mr. Kleis, the city’s mayor, sees it differently. He lauded the community-building activities the region has undertaken, which includes get-to-know-your-neighbor potlucks at the local library and citywide surveys asking “Is St. Cloud a friendly community?” The local newspaper, The St. Cloud Times, ran a series of fact checks to debunk myths about refugees and immigrants.

    Paul Brandmire, a Republican member of the St. Cloud City Council, said some white residents had come to see themselves in a fight for survival against Somali refugees.

    “I’d rather focus on building community than being reactionary,” he said.

    Jaylani Hussein, the executive director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Minnesota, said St. Cloud was the “epicenter” of anti-Muslim sentiment in the state. Mr. Hussein condemned people like Mr. Kleis and other members of the Republican Party, who he said had been too neutral as xenophobia festered within their ranks.

    “For me, the saddest part is that the majority of people in the St. Cloud region are good people who refused to step up,” Mr. Hussein said. “But it’s the fact that they don’t want to get involved and makes it seem like St. Cloud is all a bunch of people who accept this.”

    Ekram Elmoge, a 21-year-old who resettled in St. Cloud from Somalia about five years ago, described the city as “diversity without inclusion.” Ms. Elmoge said she had been harassed by white residents, who have yelled, “Go back to your country” and “You’re here for free money.” She is currently enrolled at St. Cloud State University, where Mr. Palmer used to be a professor.

    “It’s hard to be accepted for who you are,” Ms. Elmoge said. “The people here who have accepted me have been white. But the people who have not accepted me are also white. They say ‘go back to your country’ and ‘you make St. Cloud a bad place to live.’”

    In interviews, the C-Cubed members and allies remain undeterred, and they are setting their sights on helping Republicans make gains in the 2020 election. At one of the group’s events last year, some residents donned hats that read “Make St. Cloud Great Again” for a “Red Hat forum,” where local law enforcement officers and national anti-Muslim speakers were invited. Similar speakers have been invited to a local church, Granite City Baptist, a mostly white congregation on the city’s west side.

    During a meeting of about 10 C-Cubed members in April at the Faith Lutheran Church in St. Cloud, Mr. Palmer steered a free-flowing discussion that began by comparing abortion access to the Holocaust and moved on to the city’s so-called refugee problem, and what the group could do to address it. Almost all of those present voiced some support for Mr. Trump. Others said that markers of progress were more interpersonal, and they would only be comfortable in their community if the Somali-born refugees converted to Christianity.

    One woman, who declined to give her name after the group discussion, bemoaned the city’s so-called no-go zones, or the areas where white residents said they felt so uncomfortable with the Somali-American presence that they would not return — a shopping mall, a community housing center and Beaver Island Trail, a hiking area that borders the Mississippi River.

    “They were just —” she said, searching for the words to describe the offending behavior of the Somali-Americans. “They were just walking around.”



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    But for others, the changes have fueled talk about “white replacement,” a racist conspiracy theory
    "This is not going to be the country of white people.” Ilhan Omar - Somali MoC
    Conspiracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Conspiracy?
    So far it's just a theory.
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    Theory?

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    A game theory.
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    A 2018 poll from The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported that almost 50 percent of Minnesota Republicans wanted the state to temporarily stop accepting refugees, and during the midterm elections the most prominent members of the state’s Republican ticket all pledged to institute a moratorium on resettlement
    Almost 50% of republicans i.e. less than 50% of republicans supported a halt to resettlement of migrants, this is hard to believe. Btw why are they still resettling refugees from Somalia? one would think Trump would have done something to stop it by now.

    Here is to me hoping that Trump and the globalists would stop meddling in East Africa, withdraw the US anti terror troops and with that commitment, end the refugee resettlement programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    But for others, the changes have fueled talk about “white replacement,” a racist conspiracy theory


    "This is not going to be the country of white people.” Ilhan Omar - Somali MoC

    Conspiracy?
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    So far it's just a theory.

    Conspiracy + Theory = Conspiarcy Theory.



    But how credible would be such a conspiracy theory considering that White Nationalist David Duke now supports IO over Trump ?

    David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar














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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Conspiracy + Theory = Conspiarcy Theory.



    But how credible would be such a conspiracy theory considering that White Nationalist David Duke now supports IO over Trump ?

    David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar














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    If Trump doesn't do anything about the migrant shuffling then how is he any better than Obama? Obama was called the deporter in Chief, what are we going to remember Trump for? just a president who talks about restricting migration. Do something Mr. Trump, do something more than talk and making excuses.
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    Blacks here are non too happy about the influx of Somalis either.

    Many are $#@!ty drivers.
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    How dare they not be from Norway!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    How dare they not be from Norway!!
    I bet more of em would start coming if we dropped a few bombs in their country.
    Last edited by juleswin; 06-20-2019 at 04:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    How dare they not be from Norway!!
    It used to be the the only people we had problems with were the Swedes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Conspiracy?
    I think a state actor is pushing this narrative to sow discord and to try to escalate a civil war in order to weaken the country. There is a small minority of white people in America that have been preparing for a scenario like this because of their own paranoia and because the government uses racial identity politics to control how people vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Blacks here are non too happy about the influx of Somalis either.

    Many are $#@!ty drivers.
    That is a major difference . Somalians do not have an electric grid and do not drive . Those dirty swedes , norwegians and somalis though are all gonna join the minnesota farmer labor communist democratic party and be gun grabbing ***** who want " free medicine " .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    That is a major difference . Somalians do not have an electric grid and do not drive . Those dirty swedes , norwegians and somalis though are all gonna join the minnesota farmer labor communist democratic party and be gun grabbing ***** who want " free medicine " .
    I'm not so sure about that. From what I've seen gun ownership and trade is very unregulated in Somalia, and you can buy fully automatic guns and RPG's on the street with ease. I imagine that someone coming from that kind of freedom wouldn't be too keen on giving it up just to satisfy the demands of political correctness that the local blond-haired third-generation Norwegian-Americans of Missesota want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. From what I've seen gun ownership and trade is very unregulated in Somalia, and you can buy fully automatic guns and RPG's on the street with ease. I imagine that someone coming from that kind of freedom wouldn't be too keen on giving it up just to satisfy the demands of political correctness that the local blond-haired third-generation Norwegian-Americans of Missesota want.
    Maybe but probably not . They wont need AK's to get food in the twin cities and will probably be willing to give all that up for free stuff .
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I think a state actor is pushing this narrative to sow discord and to try to escalate a civil war in order to weaken the country. There is a small minority of white people in America that have been preparing for a scenario like this because of their own paranoia and because the government uses racial identity politics to control how people vote.
    In absolute agreement.
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    The refugees are “not leaving,” Mr. Brandmire said.
    Why would they return to the horrors of Somalia? The compassionate thing to do is to offer permanent asylum. Anything else would be inhumane and cruel. Don’t these xenophobes and Islamaphobes have a heart? And education is a human right. They should be provided with Kindergarten through a Masters Degree, if they want. The US is a wealthy nation, we can afford it. Why are these evil people so adverse to fundamental transformation? There is a lot of empty space in Minnesota, and room for many more refugees. Think of the children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why would they return to the horrors of Somalia? The compassionate thing to do is to offer permanent asylum. Anything else would be inhumane and cruel. Don’t these xenophobes and Islamaphobes have a heart? And education is a human right. They should be provided with Kindergarten through a Masters Degree, if they want. The US is a wealthy nation, we can afford it. Why are these evil people so adverse to fundamental transformation? There is a lot of empty space in Minnesota, and room for many more refugees. Think of the children.
    Maybe we out to "think of the children" before destroying countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Maybe we out to "think of the children" before destroying countries.
    Exactly! And the next time there is an openly pro-war Republican in the Whitehouse, it will be time to hold some anti-war rallies! The current situation with Russia and Iran attacking us, while Trump keeps changing his mind means it is more important to take a stand against these belligerent and evil nations right now.

    But don’t worry, because the time will come again some day to take to the streets and protest war!
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    At least they aren't Italians or Irish.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Exactly! And the next time there is an openly pro-war Republican in the Whitehouse, it will be time to hold some anti-war rallies! The current situation with Russia and Iran attacking us, while Trump keeps changing his mind means it is more important to take a stand against these belligerent and evil nations right now.

    But don’t worry, because the time will come again some day to take to the streets and protest war!
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    At least they aren't Italians or Irish.
    Oy vey! Micks and WOPs.

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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    At least they aren't Italians or Irish.
    Everyone knows the irish cannot be trusted since they invaded canada in 1866 , and after awhile tomato sauce gets old .
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    At least they aren't Italians or Irish.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Maybe we out to "think of the children" before destroying countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I bet more of em would start coming if we drops a few bombs in their country.
    Again with the "We"

    I didn't drop the bombs. Y'all make it sound like one of us on this forum has the power to call off the dogs with a phone call, but that person won't make the call so now people just have to accept that there will be refugee floods.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Again with the "We"

    I didn't drop the bombs. Y'all make it sound like one of us on this forum has the power to call off the dogs with a phone call, but that person won't make the call so now people just have to accept that there will be refugee floods.
    I am pleased that I have not paid any income tax for 12 years.

    sadly there is still property, sales, gas, tobacco, cannabis and alcohol taxes..


    but I have not bought beer in a while either...
    but hey,, Gas prices are jumping again to pay for a drone that was where it did not belong.
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    It wont be long before liberals start complaining to, well at least they will be eventually.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Conspiracy + Theory = Conspiarcy Theory.



    But how credible would be such a conspiracy theory considering that White Nationalist David Duke now supports IO over Trump ?

    David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar














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    David Duke supporting Ilhan Omar isn't much different from, say, the KKK donating money to Marcus Garvey's Black Star Line. It's to be expected, I guess.

    The "white replacement" of which Anti Federalist speaks isn't really a conspiracy theory, since some are open and vocal about promoting demographic change (be it culture, race, etc.), specifically to shift political power in one direction or another. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory or racist fearmongering when it's an overtly proclaimed objective.
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    -Stannis Baratheon

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    I know this will cause migraines for open borders libertarians here but there can either be something done to stop the muslim invasion now or we could end up like Sweden where not even the police are willing to enforce laws on the "protected" muslims due to racial backlash from the SJW left and media.

    There are nice muslims but there are also muslims who despise our way of life and are intent on invading the western world with their philosophy. They don't intend on coexisting with us peacefully.
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