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    MH17: Four charged with shooting down plane over Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48691488

    For the first time since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down in July 2014, prosecutors have announced charges against suspects in the case.

    Three Russians and a Ukrainian have been charged with bringing a missile into the area in eastern Ukraine and with murdering 298 passengers and crew.

    The passenger flight was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down over conflict-hit Ukraine.

    A court case will begin in the Netherlands on 9 March 2020.

    International arrest warrants have been issued for the four men.

    The Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT) named the men as Igor Girkin, Sergei Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov from Russia, as well as Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko.

    The JIT, which is seeking to try the suspects under Dutch law, had previously said it had a "long list" of persons of interest and appealed again for witnesses as the investigation continues.

    Who are the suspects?

    The most prominent of the four is Igor Girkin (also known as Strelkov), who prosecutors say is a former colonel in Russia's FSB intelligence service. He was given the minister of defence title in the rebel-held eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk.

    He is believed to be the highest military officer in the area who was in direct contact with the Russian Federation. In a statement Mr Girkin said: "I can only say that militia did not shoot down the Boeing."

    Sergei Dubinsky (known as Khmury), who prosecutors say was employed by Russia's GRU military intelligence agency, was a deputy of Mr Girkin and was in regular contact with Russia
    Oleg Pulatov, known as Giurza, who the JIT says was a former soldier of GRU special forces and deputy head of the intelligence service in Donetsk
    Ukrainian national Leonid Kharchenko, who has no military background but led a combat unit as a commander in Eastern Ukraine, according to prosecutors
    "These suspects are seen to have played an important role in the death of 298 innocent civilians", said Dutch Chief Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke.

    "Although they did not push the button themselves, we suspect them of close co-operation to get the [missile launcher] where it was, with the aim to shoot down an airplane."

    Investigators, he added, had "evidence showing that Russia provided the missile launcher".

    The investigative website Bellingcat has named 12 people it accuses of being involved in transporting the missile used to down MH17, including the four charged by the JIT.
    In October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board concluded the plane had been hit by a Buk missile, causing it to break apart in mid-air.

    The JIT - which includes officials from the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine - concluded in May 2018 that the missile system belonged to the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile brigade, based in the western Russian city of Kursk. It produced evidence that it said proved how the missile system had reached eastern Ukraine.

    Russia responded by denying any of its anti-aircraft missile systems had ever crossed the Ukrainian border. Its foreign ministry has accused the JIT investigation of being "biased and politically motivated".

    Australia and the Netherlands have both officially held Russia responsible for the crash.

    Will the suspects ever face trial?

    Under Article 61 of Russia's constitution, no Russian citizen can be extradited to another state.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the BBC before the charges were announced that his country had been given "no chance to take part" in the official investigation.

    However, unnamed Dutch officials told news agencies that Russia had refused to co-operate with their investigation.
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    And the Russians hacked our elections as well.
    Did you also know that the Iranian govt were charged and convicted of being accessories to terrorism for 9/11, Gaddafi charged and executed for sending in viagra fueled armies to rape Libyan citizens while trying to fight real terrorists, Assad was accused and bombed for gassing his own people while winning the war, Mueller also charged several Russians for interfering with US elections and I bet they too would have been convicted if they faced trial.
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    Putin apologists jumping on this one pretty quickly.
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    "Although they did not push the button themselves, we suspect them of close co-operation to get the [missile launcher] where it was, with the aim to shoot down an airplane."
    Ok. This is international justice? The precedent here is mind-boggling.

    Of course it would open up Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to be charged with the murder of any person killed by weapons she smuggled to rebels and terrorists in Syria and Libya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Putin apologists jumping on this one pretty quickly.
    And neo-Trots jump on any opportunity to smear Putin or Russia.
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    Seems like a fake arrest by the Ukrainian Government.
    Just like how the government in Kosovo is finding excuses of the Serbian civilian crackdown and are now calling it
    "Kosovo Crackdown on Serb, Crackdown on drug criminals"

    don't be stupid if anyone believes this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Putin apologists jumping on this one pretty quickly.
    Congrats on being the idiot who believes this. You might as well believe that Iran did the oil tanker attack to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Did you also know that the Iranian govt were charged and convicted of being accessories to terrorism for 9/11, Gaddafi charged and executed for sending in viagra fueled armies to rape Libyan citizens while trying to fight real terrorists, Assad was accused and bombed for gassing his own people while winning the war, Mueller also charged several Russians for interfering with US elections and I bet they too would have been convicted if they faced trial.

    Dont forget Russians kicking babies out of incubators in Kuwait, sinking the cheonan, attacking the uss liberty, and hanging Florida chads in the 2000 American elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalistPropaganda
    themselves, we suspect them of close co-operation to get the [missile launcher] where it was, with the aim to shoot down an airplane.".
    OMGGTFOOHWTBS

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    Looks like the thread required a large team response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Congrats on being the idiot who believes this. You might as well believe that Iran did the oil tanker attack to.
    I'm sure he will claim to believe that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Looks like the thread required a large team response.
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    The best known of the accused is Igor Girkin aka ‘Strelkov’ who was at the time I believe Minister of Defence of the nascent DPR and had been commander of the defence of Slavyansk when hostilities started.
    The main evidence against Strelkov is a post on social media saying DPR forces had shot down a Ukrainian military aeroplane. Several Ukrainian planes had been shot down in the previous days using manpads (which no way could have reached altitudes necessary to hit MH17)
    Graham Phillips has reposted an interview he did with Strelkov in 2015


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The best known of the accused is Igor Girkin aka ‘Strelkov’ who was at the time I believe Minister of Defence of the nascent DPR and had been commander of the defence of Slavyansk when hostilities started.
    The main evidence against Strelkov is a post on social media saying DPR forces had shot down a Ukrainian military aeroplane. Several Ukrainian planes had been shot down in the previous days using manpads (which no way could have reached altitudes necessary to hit MH17)
    Graham Phillips has reposted an interview he did with Strelkov in 2015

    So the fault is whomever flew the airplane into the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So the fault is whomever flew the airplane into the area.
    Your forgetting that your beloved Biden had send his son there for Oil Contracts deals. This conflict in Ukraine is all about profits and oil. If you believe that Russia did shoot down the airliner you must as well believe that Iran attacked the tanker to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Looks like the thread required a large team response.
    Now that is quite a conspiracy theory.

    Where is your tin foil hat, nutter?
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