Israel Fingered as Behind Tanker Attack, as President of Company Calls Pentagon Report Fake

[James_Madison_Lives]

https://steemit.com/iran/@munkle/isr...n-reports-fake

Israel Fingered by Some as Behind Tanker Attack, as President of Company Calls Pentagon Reports Fake

Liberal/progressive commentator Cenk Uygur of the popular program The Young Turks said on a show recently that only Israel or Saudi Arabia had motive to attack a Japanese tanker, in order to blame it on Iran, after the president of the tanker company called US claims that Iran was responsible "false." Iran has denied any involvement.... https://steemit.com/iran/@munkle/isr...n-reports-fake

[James_Madison_Lives]

[nikcers]

Well I guess if TYT says it than it must be true. Cenk Uygur has no motivations to blame Israel.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Well I guess if TYT says it than it must be true. Cenk Uygur has no motivations to blame Israel.

The president of the tanker company said the Pentagon blaming Iranian mines was flat out false. The tanker didn't blow up itself. If you look at motive and past history of dying for the US to attack Iran, only a fool could not see the spelling on the wall that says "Israel."

And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." - General Wes Clark

[Zippyjuan]

The president of the tanker company said the Pentagon blaming Iranian mines was flat out false. The tanker didn't blow up itself. If you look at motive and past history of dying for the US to attack Iran, only a fool could not see the spelling on the wall that says "Israel."

the same tanker president who reported Iranian (and not other) ships in the area at the time of the incident. He did not make any claim Iran was not responsible but did say the claim of it being a mine seemed to be false.

[nikcers]

The president of the tanker company said the Pentagon blaming Iranian mines was flat out false. The tanker didn't blow up itself. If you look at motive and past history of dying for the US to attack Iran, only a fool could not see the spelling on the wall that says "Israel."

I am not saying that Iran did it, this guy has no credibility either, only someone with direct knowledge of who did it could say that Iran didn't do it. Saying that Iran didn't do it when you don't know who did do it is pretty presumptuous. TYT routinely says stuff that is baseless with no sources and you can't even find sources for stuff they say because they just make $#@! up.

[James_Madison_Lives]

the same tanker president who reported Iranian (and not other) ships in the area at the time of the incident.

This is the same US government which still maintains the attack on the USS Liberty was an accident.

[nikcers]

This is the same US government which still maintains the attack on the USS Liberty was an accident.

I doubt many people are working in the government who were in the government when that happened.

[nikcers]

the same tanker president who reported Iranian (and not other) ships in the area at the time of the incident.

That tanker president is no more credibile than the government. He probably doesn't want an escalation in Iran with his line of business. I am not saying that Iran did do it, but you have to consider the motivations of everyone. I honestly believe it could have been a NGO, it wouldn't take much to pull that off, but Iran shooting at our drones in the area at the time and threatening the shipping routes for the last month doesn't help their crediblity. You can't say I am going to shut down shipping in this area and then cry foul when people think you are shutting down shipping in that area.

[nikcers]

The US gov has no incentive to do this right now. Any sort of war with Iran would just undo all of the progress that the government has made in trying to get them to change their regime. Any sort of attack would just force people to support the regime in power against the outsiders attacking them. The Trump administration is trying to get the Iranians to remove the regime in power by depriving them of access to sell their oil.

[Zippyjuan]

The US gov has the lowest incentive to do this right now. Any sort of war with Iran would just undo all of the progress that the government has made in trying to get them to change their regime. Any sort of attack would just force people to support the regime in power against the outsiders attacking them. The Trump administration is trying to get the Iranians to remove the regime in power by depriving them of access to sell their oil.

Tariffs and threats by the US only give the government of Iran somebody to blame for their problems at home. It helps them solidify power- not weakens them. Sanctions rarely work. And nobody has a plan for what may happen if the government of Iran is overturned.

[nikcers]

Tariffs and threats by the US only give the government of Iran somebody to blame for their problems at home. It helps them solidify power- not weakens them. Sanctions rarely work. And nobody has a plan for what may happen if the government of Iran is overturned.

The idea is that either this regime will get enough pressure from their people to come to the table or they will put in a regime who will come to the table. Sanctions rarely work but letting the current regime enrich themselves just fuels an arms race, I guess its good if you think Saudi Arabia investing in nuclear weapons is good.

[UWDude]

Finally, I see the signs of the great betrayal beginning.

The entire strategy was desperate, and smacked of desperation, from the start.

Sanctions rarely work.

Iraq, Venezuela, North Korea, would say otherwise.

Imagine if these countries had access to the free markets for the years they were under sanctions. Iraq was under sanction for a dozen years. If it had not been under sanction, it would have been armed to the gills in every way by 2003.

Sanctions are used, because sanctions work. If sanctions did not work, the US would not bother taking the diplomatic and trade deal hits it does to convinces its allies to impose them.

[parocks]

Can we start bombing Israel now?

[Zippyjuan]

Finally, I see the signs of the great betrayal beginning.

The entire strategy was desperate, and smacked of desperation, from the start.



Iraq, Venezuela, North Korea, would say otherwise.

Imagine if these countries had access to the free markets for the years they were under sanctions. Iraq was under sanction for a dozen years. If it had not been under sanction, it would have been armed to the gills in every way by 2003.

Sanctions are used, because sanctions work. If sanctions did not work, the US would not bother taking the diplomatic and trade deal hits it does to convinces its allies to impose them.

Iraq? Did sanctions stop the US from militarily destroying the country? North Korea? They haven't changed anything (despite Trump claims he ended their nuclear program threat). Venezuela? Have they stepped down? Done anything differently? What about 50 years of sanctions on Cuba?

[James_Madison_Lives]

And so the Zionist state at last begins to unravel. Wait until people follow where this story goes and learn, at last, about the USS Liberty.

Japan Today, June 16

https://japantoday.com/category/nati...tacked-tankers

"Japan demands more proof from U.S. that Iran attacked tankers"

If having expertise sophisticated enough to conduct the attack could be a reason to conclude that the attacker was Iran, "That would apply to the United States and Israel as well," said a source at the Foreign Ministry.

[UWDude]

Iraq? Did sanctions stop the US from militarily destroying the country?

LOL

The sanctions were used as a weapon of war to keep Iraq weak until they could go in and finish the job. They worked wonderfully.
North Korea would be just like South Korea if not for the sanctions.

Victory in war is destroying your enemies' ability to fight.
This ability can be destroyed via materiel destruction, destruction of political will, destruction of the countries ability to produce materiel, and economic destruction.

So before invasion/puppet installment, you first try to weaken the latter respective pillars, before attempting the destruction of materiel in kinetic action. Sanctions are a double edged sword. They rarely get the results demanded, but they do weaken the country anyway. Sanctions work very well.

[Zippyjuan]

They aren't saying one way or the other. They just want more information.

The attacks occurred around the time Abe was meeting with Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in Tehran.

"The attacks have severely affected the prime minister's reputation as he was trying to be a mediator between the United States and Iran," said the source close to the premier. "It is a serious concern, and making mistakes when determining facts is impermissible."

The Japanese government has refrained so far from commenting on who is responsible for the attacks.

[nikcers]

Can we start bombing Israel now?

Lets bomb all the countries that TYT fingers.

[Pauls' Revere]

Yellow Cake.

[dannno]

They aren't saying one way or the other. They just want more information.

Uh, no, like the OP says, they said it may have been Israel. Nobody ever said they said it was Israel.

[Zippyjuan]

Uh, no, like the OP says, they said it may have been Israel. Nobody ever said they said it was Israel.

The OP changed the headline from the article to imply that they did. He has two threads with that (Israel did it!) as his headline when neither actually make the claim. Actual headline:

Japan demands more proof from U.S. that Iran attacked tankers

[nikcers]

Uh, no, like the OP says, they said it may have been Israel. Nobody ever said they said it was Israel.

lol yeah they are also saying it could of been the united states. Might as well say Japan says Australia did it.

"That would apply to the United States and Israel as well,"

[Zippyjuan]

lol yeah they are also saying it could of been the united states. Might as well say Japan says Australia did it.

"That would apply to the United States and Israel as well,"

Or Russia. They like to stir things up.

[Superfluous Man]

Maybe Israel is responsible. I don't know.

But Cenk Uygar is nobody. It's not like his making this accusation is evidence of anything.

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe Israel is responsible. I don't know.

But Cenk Uygar is nobody. It's not like his making this accusation is evidence of anything.

Spin meisters take whatever source they can get. Facts are not necessary.

[James_Madison_Lives]

lol yeah they are also saying it could of been the united states. Might as well say Japan says Australia did it.

"That would apply to the United States and Israel as well,"

So who do you think did it? Given that tankers don't blow up themselves? Oh right Hezbollah launching home-made toy rockets. And why is the Pentagon lying? See all the problems here? And we are talking about possible WWIII. It matters.

[UWDude]

Or Russia. They like to stir things up.

your oft cited 17 intelligence agencies were wrong last time. I'll need at least 34 to believe this time.

[Zippyjuan]

your oft cited 17 intelligence agencies were wrong last time. I'll need at least 34 to believe this time.

The Mueller report confirmed that Russia did attempt to interfere in the US elections. They were right.

[UWDude]

The Mueller report confirmed that Russia did attempt to interfere in the US elections. They were right.

LoL

34 this time, dude. 17 wasn't enough.

XD