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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

    No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
    Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.
    That would never happen. libertarians these days will sooner reach out all the way to the far left because they find something like pot in common and think they're gonna build some super coalition around it (nevermind the left will ban 99% of other things, which always struck me as downright weird, "Oh you gotta be 21 to smoke cigarettes but you like pot? Oh cool, let the kids have some!"), but they won't work with people who agree with them on maybe half the issues. I don't care if I'm flamed for this but, it's hard to tell libertarians these days from leftist SJW college freaks when it comes to being part of the 'cool kids club.' Step outta line and down comes the hammer. To be able to see that, you have to step back and have some degree of objectivity, which *most* libertarians absolutely do not possess.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 06-15-2019 at 03:21 PM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    That would never happen. libertarians these days will sooner reach out all the way to the far left because they find something like pot in common and think they're gonna build some super coalition around it (nevermind the left will ban 99% of other things, which always struck me as downright weird, "Oh you gotta be 21 to smoke cigarettes but you like pot? Oh cool, let the kids have some!"), but they won't work with people who agree with them on maybe half the issues. I don't care if I'm flamed for this but, it's hard to tell libertarians these days from leftist SJW college freaks when it comes to being part of the 'cool kids club.' Step outta line and down comes the hammer. To be able to see that, you have to step back and have some degree of objectivity, which *most* libertarians absolutely do not possess.
    Sammy is absolutely right but I'm afraid that you are too.
    Too many libertarians are rebels for the sake of it and they identify with the left culturally, they allow that to blind them to how evil the left has become and to the improvements that have happened on the right.
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

    No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
    Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.
    ???
    Though I agree with the sentiment,,
    I have seen nothing of the "alt right" since the term was coined that I would want to be associated with..

    Neo-Wrong is more apt.

    I would prefer to see it purged from society and relegated to Failed History along with several other "isms".
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    ???
    Though I agree with the sentiment,,
    I have seen nothing of the "alt right" since the term was coined that I would want to be associated with..

    Neo-Wrong is more apt.

    I would prefer to see it purged from society and relegated to Failed History along with several other "isms".
    That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.
    OK,,, I have seen nothing that would alter my statement.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That depends on the definition of "alt-right" that you are using, the term has been applied to many different groups that aren't all the same.
    I'm stuck somewhere between viewing the alt-right in the way D'Souza does in Death of a Nation (they're just more liberals infiltrating the ranks of the GOP and have more in common with dixiecrats than the average republican), versus believing the whole thing is just a made up concept coined by the media to incite a sort of *zinger* effect to play on emotions like the cries of "Racism!" or "Nationalism!" have been utilized, to the point of being utterly meaningless. Look at Europe. Anything in Europe that isn't full blown leftist socialism is considered "Far right!" and TPTB just throw that phrase out over the airwaves as much as possible because they'd rather not face off on the issues and risk being exposed as the true radicals.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 06-16-2019 at 01:07 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

  9. #67
    If working within the Republican party hasn't had the desired effect, and we know that the Libertarian party is pointless, maybe we should pursue another option?

    What about the Constitution party?

    Or maybe we make our own new Freedom party? It may not have as much success at first, but think of all the voting that we would get to do to fill all the new positions for the party. It could be a lot of fun.
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    This thread would have been much better with a poll.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It's kind of weird how you lumped in "anti-war" with those other points, like you see that as a negative. Kinda makes me wonder what the "4paul" part of your handle is for. Or maybe you've just decided to quit pretending you belonged here.
    There are no anti war dems so it is kind of like a great joke and the head of the libertarians like all that other $#@! .
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    I am still set , I voted Oyarde 2016 and will again 2020 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Time For Libertarians To Leave The GOP?

    No! No!No! We need to kick out the Neocons from the GOP..
    Libertarians,Paleo-Conservatives & even the alt right should work together.
    This I agree with. I think the best plan is to find common ground and work with other branches of the Republican party. Meanwhile the Democrat party can tear itself apart while the socialists fight with the liberals.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    find common ground and work with other branches of the Republican party.
    Common ground, you mean hatred of gays and mexicans?

    We can work with that.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Absolutely, anyone who doesn't fall in line with the great and powerful Swordsmyth is obviously a commie, traitor and in league with the democrats.
    Which is funny since Swordsmyth admitted in the Libertarian abortion thread, now banished to Hot Topics, that he wants a theocratic world government run by Mormons. Yep, sounds like libertarian rhetoric to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by revgen View Post
    And go where? The LP party is sham with Sarwark in charge. The Mises Caucus is trying to change that, but I don't think they're going to take over the party anytime soon.
    That I can agree with, at least at the Chairman position. Sarwark is an establishment plant (a lawyer who went to CIA training ground American University and has ties to globalist think tank Stratfor). Then again, they all are plants at the leadership levels. That's how they keep grassroots from gaining traction...controlled opposition.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Which is funny since Swordsmyth admitted in the Libertarian abortion thread, now banished to Hot Topics, that he wants a theocratic world government run by Mormons. Yep, sounds like libertarian rhetoric to me.
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.

    And stop crying to mods. It's pathetic, like the 3rd grader that runs to teacher. Your post even reads like the 3rd grader running to teacher. "Teacher, little Jimmy keeps saying my mom is fat. Sob sob."
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.

    And stop crying to mods. It's pathetic, like the 3rd grader that runs to teacher. Your post even reads like the 3rd grader running to teacher. "Teacher, little Jimmy keeps saying my mom is fat. Sob sob."
    There is a great difference between believing in the Kingdom of GOD and seeking to implement a theocratic world government by mortal men.

    I will continue to report your lie as long as you repeat it.
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Government help me rescue me please save me!

    LOL
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Government help me rescue me please save me!

    LOL
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.
    +rep
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Not a lie. Anyone can go read the thread themselves in Hot Topics and see where you say you support a world government but not until Jesus returns. Therefore, you support theocratic world government. The only distinction is exactly when it would be implemented. If Jesus returns tomorrow, you'll support instituting that theocratic world government tomorrow, also.
    Obviously SS is no libertarian. His theme in practically every post is to promote statism. So I don't see a need to argue over something he is so overt about.

    But there's nothing the slightest bit anti-libertarian about this doctrine, as you indicated when you brought it up in post 73. Almost everything else he says here is statist, but here you picked the one exceptional thing that isn't.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Obviously SS is no libertarian. His theme in practically every post is to promote statism. So I don't see a need to argue over something he is so overt about.

    But there's nothing the slightest bit anti-libertarian about this doctrine, as you indicated when you brought it up in post 73. Almost everything else he says here is statist, but here you picked the one exceptional thing that isn't.
    TRUTH.

    SS is no libertarian- that said- I'll support anything that Jesus wants when He returns- ain't got nothin' to do with man's weakness in governing.
    There is no spoon.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    TRUTH.

    SS is no libertarian- that said- I'll support anything that Jesus wants when He returns- ain't got nothin' to do with man's weakness in governing.
    Well, you better hope that Jesus is the turn-the-other-cheek-love-thy-neighbor Jesus instead of the I-come-with-a-sword-and-will-tear-families-apart Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Obviously SS is no libertarian. His theme in practically every post is to promote statism. So I don't see a need to argue over something he is so overt about.

    But there's nothing the slightest bit anti-libertarian about this doctrine, as you indicated when you brought it up in post 73. Almost everything else he says here is statist, but here you picked the one exceptional thing that isn't.
    Global rule by unelected people based on a book hand-picked by a group of Catholics at the behest of a Pope and then revised by an English King is libertarian?

    Man, I really love some of y'all but I really get lost at the religion part of all this.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    That would never happen. libertarians these days will sooner reach out all the way to the far left because they find something like pot in common and think they're gonna build some super coalition around it (nevermind the left will ban 99% of other things, which always struck me as downright weird, "Oh you gotta be 21 to smoke cigarettes but you like pot? Oh cool, let the kids have some!"), but they won't work with people who agree with them on maybe half the issues. I don't care if I'm flamed for this but, it's hard to tell libertarians these days from leftist SJW college freaks when it comes to being part of the 'cool kids club.' Step outta line and down comes the hammer. To be able to see that, you have to step back and have some degree of objectivity, which *most* libertarians absolutely do not possess.
    All you do is bitch about libertarians. You constantly complain about "purity tests" and "getting flamed" and then rail on "libertarians". Why have you been here all these years if you dislike libertarians so much?
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    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Well, you better hope that Jesus is the turn-the-other-cheek-love-thy-neighbor Jesus instead of the I-come-with-a-sword-and-will-tear-families-apart Jesus.



    Global rule by unelected people based on a book hand-picked by a group of Catholics at the behest of a Pope and then revised by an English King is libertarian?

    Man, I really love some of y'all but I really get lost at the religion part of all this.
    I believe in an all loving Jesus that will bring peace. And I don't base my POV on any book- just my own spiritual experiences.

    And I love ya back- think you're awesome.
    There is no spoon.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Global rule by unelected people based on a book hand-picked by a group of Catholics at the behest of a Pope and then revised by an English King is libertarian?
    What book are you talking about?

    But yes, the basis of true libertarianism is the rule of God alone. Another way this truth is expressed is by the phrase "rule of law." Libertarianism is the rule of justice itself, absent any make-believe laws constructed by mere men.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    What book are you talking about?

    But yes, the basis of true libertarianism is the rule of God alone. Another way this truth is expressed is by the phrase "rule of law." Libertarianism is the rule of justice itself, absent any make-believe laws constructed by mere men.
    He's talking about the Bible.

    Nicene creed-
    Some writings thrown out or discarded-
    Incorrect translations-
    King James Bible written with inserts to please him. (For instance "witch" was never in the Bible. "Suffer a witch not to live" was originally "Suffer a murderer"; King James didn't like witches so the verse was changed to please him.
    There is no spoon.

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Well, you better hope that Jesus is the turn-the-other-cheek-love-thy-neighbor Jesus instead of the I-come-with-a-sword-and-will-tear-families-apart Jesus.
    He is and will be both, the wicked shall reap as they have sown and the meek shall inherit the earth.



    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Global rule by unelected people based on a book hand-picked by a group of Catholics at the behest of a Pope and then revised by an English King is libertarian?

    Man, I really love some of y'all but I really get lost at the religion part of all this.
    That's not what I believe in and if the book is completely false as you imply then you have nothing to fear because Christ will not return and bring us his kingdom.

    I'm glad you are showing your Christophobia for all to see though.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    He's talking about the Bible.

    Nicene creed-
    Some writings thrown out or discarded-
    Incorrect translations-
    King James Bible written with inserts to please him. (For instance "witch" was never in the Bible. "Suffer a witch not to live" was originally "Suffer a murderer"; King James didn't like witches so the verse was changed to please him.
    Then why did Saul drive all the witches out of the land?
    Why are there umpteen other condemnations of witches and sorcerers throughout the bible?
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He is and will be both, the wicked shall reap as they have sown and the meek shall inherit the earth.
    You better hope you're on the right side of that equation. I'm not so sure you are...

    I'm glad you are showing your Christophobia for all to see though.
    Your post is funny because the divisive hate mongering spews from your handle, not mine.

    And just for giggles, I'm going to bet that I even look a lot more like him than you do
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