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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
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  3. #182
    Another month, another pile of evidence that libertarians should be ostracizing conservatives, not assisting them.

    Highlights include:

    --Amash officially left the GOP

    --the energetic yoots of that party held a conference denouncing libertarians

    For those who appreciate the need to accelerate this long overdue divorce, what is to be done?

    How can our fellow libertarians be convinced to leave (or, alternatively, conservatives be convinced to force them out)?

    For maximum benefit, this needs to occur before the election and/or incoming recession.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 07-23-2019 at 07:42 PM.
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  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am still set , I voted Oyarde 2016 and will again 2020 .
    I might consider voting Oyarde 2020. But I'm also considering Vermin Supreme and Cthulhu ...

    Can you tell me what President Oyarde will do for me that President Supreme or President Cthulhu will not?


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  5. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I might consider voting Oyarde 2020. But I'm also considering Vermin Supreme and Cthulhu ...

    Can you tell me what President Oyarde will do for me that President Supreme or President Cthulhu will not?
    Supreme is a wicked leftist that will squander tax dollars on ponies and tooth brushes . Oyarde will tell the public they can buy all the things they desire . I consider Cthulhu more serious competition but I will be better on all issues although we might be nearly equal on economics . My Foreign policy will be better . Immediate withdrawal from the entire Middle East day one.
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  7. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think the best plan is to find common ground and work with other branches of the Republican party. Meanwhile the Democrat party can tear itself apart while the socialists fight with the liberals.
    And I'm sure someone on the "other side" is thinking that the best plan is fo find common ground and work with other branches of the Democrat party. Meanwhile the Republican party can tear itself apart while the "RINOs" fight with the conservatives ... (and maybe even with the libertarians - assuming anyone even notices that they're there ...)

    And the thing is ... you're both right ... (and this is why it's impossible to have both a viable republic and a country of over a third of a billion people ...)

  8. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Supreme is a wicked leftist that will squander tax dollars on ponies and tooth brushes . Oyarde will tell the public they can buy all the things they desire . I consider Cthulhu more serious competition but I will be better on all issues although we might be nearly equal on economics . My Foreign policy will be better . Immediate withdrawal from the entire Middle East day one.
    Well, then, for me, it's definitely down to a choice between Oyarde or Cthulhu in 2020!

    Cthulhu hasn't exactly promised a MIddle East withdrawal as such - but he has vowed to devour the souls of everyone before feeding their fleshly bodies to hordes of ravening shoggoths. So I guess it comes to the same thing, more or less ...

  9. #187
    Two thumbs, and votin for Oyarde... ThissGuyyy

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  10. #188
    I'm doing it when I go to the County Municipal Building to doff my hat and say "Thank you, sir, for your permission to buy a hand gun from an online retailer."
    From a Republican Sheriff.
    Because that is what it takes in my county. Not bad enough that I have to do the whole FFL thing with the dealer once the gun comes in.
    No, I had to give all kinds of info. Was I now have I ever been mental. Do drugs? You were a member of the military? Well, you'll need to bring a copy of your DD-214 when you come to pick up your purchase permit. And everything you checked off and attested to we need you to place your left hand on the Bible, raise your right, and swear too.
    Nope. Absolutely and totally done with the GOP. Once the permit is issued I plan to have a talk with the sheriff. Then I'm gonna march my ass over to the other side of the building and register unaffiliated.
    Done with N.C. GOP.

    and as a P.S. under N.C. law if Bob my neighbor wanted to sell the exact same handgun to me I could hand him the cash and he my gun. $#@! this dumb $#@!.

  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm doing it when I go to the County Municipal Building to doff my hat and say "Thank you, sir, for your permission to buy a hand gun from an online retailer."
    From a Republican Sheriff.
    Because that is what it takes in my county. Not bad enough that I have to do the whole FFL thing with the dealer once the gun comes in.
    No, I had to give all kinds of info. Was I now have I ever been mental. Do drugs? You were a member of the military? Well, you'll need to bring a copy of your DD-214 when you come to pick up your purchase permit. And everything you checked off and attested to we need you to place your left hand on the Bible, raise your right, and swear too.
    Nope. Absolutely and totally done with the GOP. Once the permit is issued I plan to have a talk with the sheriff. Then I'm gonna march my ass over to the other side of the building and register unaffiliated.
    Done with N.C. GOP.

    and as a P.S. under N.C. law if Bob my neighbor wanted to sell the exact same handgun to me I could hand him the cash and he my gun. $#@! this dumb $#@!.
    I don't see why you don't do exactly that.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I don't see why you don't do exactly that.
    Because I want a specific hand gun. I have many others. And rifles. Some I keep at friends and families places other than mine that have no trace-ability. It's just a specific handgun I want, that I haven't been able to find through friends or local retailers or gunshows in over 8 months.
    Never had to buy through online before, so, it's a great eye awakening. Once the permits in my hand I'm going to see if the Shire-Reeve is in and have a talk about his next election and "Constitutional" Shire-Reeves and where he sits with that. Well, I already know where he sits. Question is if I can shame him about Constitutional law into accepting another path. Honestly, the only people he is impeding are law-abiding individuals such as myself.
    Truth is I should just pay my 5 ducats and not put myself on the radar.
    But, the truth is also that I'm done with this $#@!.
    Last edited by phill4paul; 08-02-2019 at 10:43 PM.

  13. #191
    As a matter fact, someone help a brother out here, what was the name of that book by a Constitutional sheriff? I'll order two copies tonght. one for him and one for me.

  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Because I want a specific hand gun. I have many others. And rifles. Some I keep at friends and families places other than mine that have no trace-ability. It's just a specific handgun I want, that I haven't been able to find through friends or local retailers or gunshows in over 8 months.
    Never had to buy through online before, so, it's a great eye awakening. Once the permits in my hand I'm going to see if the Shire-Reeve is in and have a talk about his next election and "Constitutional" Shire-Reeves and where he sits with that. Well, I already know where he sits. Question is if I can shame him about Constitutional law into accepting another path. Honestly, the only people he is impeding are law-abiding individuals such as myself.
    Truth is I should just pay my 5 ducats and not put myself on the radar.
    But, the truth is also that I'm done with this $#@!.
    Understood.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    As a matter fact, someone help a brother out here, what was the name of that book by a Constitutional sheriff? I'll order two copies tonght. one for him and one for me.
    Mack?
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Mack?
    That's it, thanks...


  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    That's it, thanks...

    He was a regular poster here in the past.

  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    It’s time for libertarians to leave the Libertarian Party and join the Constitution Party.
    + rep.
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    You can't even handle freedom in the fake world.
    2 + 2 = 5.

  20. #197
    Neocons tell libertarians to leave the GOP. Guess the libertarians better do as they’re told.
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  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Neocons tell libertarians to leave the GOP. Guess the libertarians better do as they’re told.
    Snicker.............

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm doing it when I go to the County Municipal Building to doff my hat and say "Thank you, sir, for your permission to buy a hand gun from an online retailer."
    From a Republican Sheriff.
    Because that is what it takes in my county. Not bad enough that I have to do the whole FFL thing with the dealer once the gun comes in.
    No, I had to give all kinds of info. Was I now have I ever been mental. Do drugs? You were a member of the military? Well, you'll need to bring a copy of your DD-214 when you come to pick up your purchase permit. And everything you checked off and attested to we need you to place your left hand on the Bible, raise your right, and swear too.
    Nope. Absolutely and totally done with the GOP. Once the permit is issued I plan to have a talk with the sheriff. Then I'm gonna march my ass over to the other side of the building and register unaffiliated.
    Done with N.C. GOP.

    and as a P.S. under N.C. law if Bob my neighbor wanted to sell the exact same handgun to me I could hand him the cash and he my gun. $#@! this dumb $#@!.
    Unless the statutes recently changed, NCGS 14-402(a) requires pistol purchase permits even for private sales. No handguns can be bought or sold in NC without a pistol permit issued by the sheriff. Rifles and shotguns do not require the permit. If you already have a concealed carry permit you don't need the pistol purchase permit. What county are you in Phil?

    § 14-402. Sale of certain weapons without permit forbidden.

    (a) It is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation in this State to sell, give away, or transfer, or to purchase or receive, at any place within this State from any other place within or without the State any pistol unless: (i) a license or permit is first obtained under this Article by the purchaser or receiver from the sheriff of the county in which the purchaser or receiver resides; or (ii) a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit is held under Article 54B of this Chapter by the purchaser or receiver who must be a resident of the State at the time of the purchase.

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    On topic: With Rand getting so friendly with MAGA these days, I'm not sure a mass exodus from the GOP is the wise move just yet. What if Trump chose Rand to replace Pence as VP? And then something happened to Trump, making Rand potential POTUS? Wouldn't libertarian want the chance to help nominate Rand? Sounds far-fetched, sure, but just spit-ballin' here. Don't make hasty, rash moves in such weird and fluid times....
    Last edited by devil21; 08-04-2019 at 04:10 PM.
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  23. #200
    [QUOTE=devil21;6838484]Unless the statutes recently changed, NCGS 14-402(a) requires pistol purchase permits even for private sales. No handguns can be bought or sold in NC without a pistol permit issued by the sheriff. Rifles and shotguns do not require the permit. If you already have a concealed carry permit you don't need the pistol purchase permit. What county are you in Phil?


    Yeah, guess the law changed at some point. Use to be you could buy, sell or trade as individual to individual without doffing your hat. Well, it looks like I'm going to do a CCW course sometime in the fall so I don't have to go through this process again. As a bonus I guess that I'll legally be carrying concealed after that.



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  25. #201
    Yeah, guess the law changed at some point. Use to be you could buy, sell or trade as individual to individual without doffing your hat. Well, it looks like I'm going to do a CCW course sometime in the fall so I don't have to go through this process again. As a bonus I guess that I'll legally be carrying concealed after that.
    One must do what they have to do to avoid whatever trouble they may encounter. But to be clear, once you go through all of that, you will technically be Illegal.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  26. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    On topic: With Rand getting so friendly with MAGA these days, I'm not sure a mass exodus from the GOP is the wise move just yet. What if Trump chose Rand to replace Pence as VP? And then something happened to Trump, making Rand potential POTUS? Wouldn't libertarian want the chance to help nominate Rand? Sounds far-fetched, sure, but just spit-ballin' here. Don't make hasty, rash moves in such weird and fluid times....
    More than a little
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    -H. L. Mencken

  27. #203
    The problem with Libertarians is that they focus on fringe issues that are only relevant to a few people. Focus on the major issues and build support from there.
    Do something Dodgers.

  28. #204
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    Last edited by PAF; 08-05-2019 at 10:36 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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