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    US Libertarian Party Chairman Promoting Video Calling for Venezuela Regime Change

    Written by Adam Dick
    Monday June 10, 2019


    You might hope that at least the United States Libertarian Party could be counted on not to support the US government’s effort to install its chosen politician as president of Venezuela. Oh well. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Earlier this month, a “Dear Libertarian” letter from party chairman Nicholas Sarwark appeared on the Libertarian Party’s website in which Sarwark promotes viewing a video by Kyle Varner — described by Sarwark as a party member — in which Varner delivers the US government’s regime change line in regard to the South America country.

    In the video, Varner, purporting to speak for the Libertarian Party and all libertarians, compares Venezuela President Nicolás Maduro to Adolph Hitler, places the blame on the Venezuela government for problems in the country while neglecting to mention US sanctions or any other US government efforts that contribute to suffering in the Venezuela, and praises Juan Guaidó who is seeking to overthrow the Venezuela government and who the US government has been calling the “interim president” of Venezuela.

    As if to make the support for a US government-orchestrated regime change operation in Venezuela yet more clear, Varner in the video even promotes that the “Chicago Boys” can improve things in Venezuela after the country’s current government is replaced. “Chicago Boys” is a reference to University of Chicago-connected individuals that played a prominent role in the Chile government after a successful US-supported regime change in that country in 1973.


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    Advocating foreign regime change, and replacing them with people from (or controlled by) Chicago doesn’t seem very libertarian. It is just one person’s opinion, but Sarwark is a representative of the party. If the Libertarian Party doesn’t like it, they could always vote him out. Or the party could adjust their planks to officially take up that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Written by Adam Dick
    Monday June 10, 2019


    You might hope that at least the United States Libertarian Party could be counted on not to support the US government’s effort to install its chosen politician as president of Venezuela. Oh well. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Earlier this month, a “Dear Libertarian” letter from party chairman Nicholas Sarwark appeared on the Libertarian Party’s website in which Sarwark promotes viewing a video by Kyle Varner — described by Sarwark as a party member — in which Varner delivers the US government’s regime change line in regard to the South America country.

    In the video, Varner, purporting to speak for the Libertarian Party and all libertarians, compares Venezuela President Nicolás Maduro to Adolph Hitler, places the blame on the Venezuela government for problems in the country while neglecting to mention US sanctions or any other US government efforts that contribute to suffering in the Venezuela, and praises Juan Guaidó who is seeking to overthrow the Venezuela government and who the US government has been calling the “interim president” of Venezuela.

    As if to make the support for a US government-orchestrated regime change operation in Venezuela yet more clear, Varner in the video even promotes that the “Chicago Boys” can improve things in Venezuela after the country’s current government is replaced. “Chicago Boys” is a reference to University of Chicago-connected individuals that played a prominent role in the Chile government after a successful US-supported regime change in that country in 1973.


    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...regime-change/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Advocating foreign regime change, and replacing them with people from (or controlled by) Chicago doesn’t seem very libertarian. It is just one person’s opinion, but Sarwark is a representative of the party. If the Libertarian Party doesn’t like it, they could always vote him out. Or the party could adjust their planks to officially take up that position.
    I am starting to get a little offended here . If you want to topple a govt and have someone run the place I am certainly more qualified than chicago and they have not even contacted me with an offer. I guess those radical , broke ass libertarians probably cannot afford me anyway but still . Probably rolling the couch and car seat change to make a bold move later for medicare for all .
    Last edited by oyarde; 06-11-2019 at 01:06 PM.
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    Even AOC is against the Venezuelan govt and she is a democratic socialist. Also Rand would also agree with him on this

    places the blame on the Venezuela government for problems in the country while neglecting to mention US sanctions or any other US government efforts that contribute to suffering in the Venezuela
    The people in Washington finally agree about one thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Even AOC is against the Venezuelan govt and she is a democratic socialist. Also Rand would also agree with him on this



    The people in Washington finally agree about one thing
    AOC is probably concerned about what light bulbs they could be using .
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    AOC is probably concerned about what light bulbs they could be using .
    Add to that, the country is still trying to extract their carbon emitting oil for profit. Oil is the least green fuel ever invented. It all makes sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    That party is a freak show.

    More Clown World, I hate to keep using that reference but it fits.

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    This ^^^^
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    Heil Koch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The LP is dead.
    It cannot come too soon. I have never seen so-called leaders who have so little respect for their constituencies. What a freaking joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Heil Koch!

    The LP is dead.
    Remove the Hitler part and his views are not that different from Rand's. But I am sure you won't be accusing Rand of being a Koch whore.
    Last edited by juleswin; 06-11-2019 at 04:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Remove the Hitler part and his viewers are not that different from Rants. But I am sure you won't be accusing Rand of being a Koch whore.
    I am much closer to the views expressed than you, we had plenty of discussions about it in the Venezuela threads but the LP keeps demonstrating that they will take any position the Kochs tell them to.
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    $#@!ing. Idiot. Guy should step down from his position as chairman.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 06-11-2019 at 04:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    $#@!ing. Idiot. Guy should step down from his position as chairman.
    No. The party rots from the head. Done.
    Do something Dodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    It cannot come too soon. I have never seen so-called leaders who have so little respect for their constituencies. What a freaking joke.
    They drive away Conservatarians with open borders and support for abortion and now they will drive away leftarians by supporting Guaido, it's like they are self-destructing on purpose.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 06-11-2019 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am much closer to the views expressed than you, we had plenty of discussions about it in the Venezuela threads but the LP keeps demonstrating that they will take any position the Kochs tell them to.
    Exactly, we have Rand, you, angela and many other RPF member essentially in agreement with him and yet you bash him for having a position you and many other you admire have. It makes no sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The drive away Conservatarians with open borders and support for abortion and now they will drive away leftarians by supporting Guaido, it's like they are self-destructing on purpose.
    Guaido has promised to open up their markets to foreign investors and privatize their oil industry. This is a very sensible position for him to take as a proponent of the free market. No where did he call for us intervention into the country aside from him supporting a person who calls for it. You people should be loving this guy right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Exactly, we have Rand, you, angela and many other RPF member essentially in agreement with him and yet you bash him for having a position you and many other you admire have. It makes no sense
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Guaido has promised to open up their markets to foreign investors and privatize their oil industry. This is a very sensible position for him to take as a proponent of the free market. No where did he call for us intervention into the country aside from him supporting a person who calls for it. You people should be loving this guy right now
    If the LP hadn't already sold out on so many other issues I would probably be supporting him, I am not opposing his position necessarily because he didn't specify whether he was supporting US intervention, I am just pointing out that the LP does whatever the Kochs tell them to.

    Turn things around for a moment, why aren't YOU bashing him for his position?

    As I said above:

    They drive away Conservatarians with open borders and support for abortion and now they will drive away leftarians by supporting Guaido, it's like they are self-destructing on purpose.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If the LP hadn't already sold out on so many other issues I would probably be supporting him, I am not opposing his position necessarily because he didn't specify whether he was supporting US intervention, I am just pointing out that the LP does whatever the Kochs tell them to.

    Turn things around for a moment, why aren't YOU bashing him for his position?

    As I said above:

    They drive away Conservatarians with open borders and support for abortion and now they will drive away leftarians by supporting Guaido, it's like they are self-destructing on purpose.
    I just think you are gonna bash them no matter what they do because they are not in Trump's camp. And nowhere in that interview did he call for US intervention. He supports the guy who opposes nationalization of the oil sector, this is a position he is supposed to take. And you people bash him for it
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I just think you are gonna bash them no matter what they do because they are not in Trump's camp. And nowhere in that interview did he call for US intervention. He supports the guy who opposes nationalization of the oil sector, this is a position he is supposed to take. And you people bash him for it
    I will bash the LP for selling out to the Kochs as long as they continue to do so, the biggest issues I have with them are open borders and abortion but there is also their opposition to fighting back in the trade wars that is tacit support for ChiCom intervention in the marketplace and globalism.

    I had my positions before Trump ever ran for office.

    I never attacked the position here and I said he didn't make it clear if he was supporting US intervention.


    You should be livid because you oppose Guaido and support Maduro and yet you don't attack the LP for this, is that because they oppose Trump?
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    I’m going to bash them because they have put up horrible candidates and have taken unconstitutional positions on many issues. And they can’t get along.

    The Constitution Party has excellent positions on every issue. They are the real libertarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I’m going to bash them because they have put up horrible candidates and have taken unconstitutional positions on many issues. And they can’t get along.
    Agree.

    The Constitution Party has excellent positions. They are the real libertarians.

    Disagree.

    They may abide by the Constitution, but that does not necessarily mean that they are libertarian. In fact, during the meetings that I have attended, the members there are such strict adherents, any discussion explaining how the central-planner-written Constitution actually takes power away from the individual is off limits. In their eyes, the anti-federalists to them are as bad as the libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    $#@!ing. Idiot. Guy should step down from his position as chairman.
    I just spent some time this past weekend with the Vice Chair (who used to be an active RPF member btw) and am trying to get to the bottom of what's behind this stupid $#@! lately. The Chair is coming off as a plant but that's standard operating procedure these days, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will bash the LP for selling out to the Kochs as long as they continue to do so, the biggest issues I have with them are open borders and abortion but there is also their opposition to fighting back in the trade wars that is tacit support for ChiCom intervention in the marketplace and globalism.
    ^^^^
    Says the poster that endorses theocratic world government. No one cares what you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Agree.




    Disagree.

    They may abide by the Constitution, but that does not necessarily mean that they are libertarian. In fact, during the meetings that I have attended, the members there are such strict adherents, any discussion explaining how the central-planner-written Constitution actually takes power away from the individual is off limits. In their eyes, the anti-federalists to them are as bad as the libs.
    They aren't all like that but even if they were they are the closest allies you can find to move things in your direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^
    Says the poster that endorses theocratic world government. No one cares what you think.
    That is a lie and nobody cares what you think.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They aren't all like that but even if they were they are the closest allies you can find to move things in your direction.
    Perhaps.

    They may do what they must do. I will do what I must do.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Advocating foreign regime change, and replacing them with people from (or controlled by) Chicago doesn’t seem very libertarian. It is just one person’s opinion, but Sarwark is a representative of the party. If the Libertarian Party doesn’t like it, they could always vote him out. Or the party could adjust their planks to officially take up that position.

    Hayek thought it was a good idea. Among other quotes:

    "More recently I have not been able to find a single person even in much maligned Chile who did not agree that personal freedom was much greater under Pinochet than it had been under Allende." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedr...d_dictatorship

    It is always weird when I see libertarians use Chile as an example of foreign meddling. Chile worked. That was a good intervention. If all interventions went that smoothly then there would be justification for them. There was no blowback and the people are much better off. There are no radical Chileans committing terrorism against the US. And no US soldiers lost their lives.

    I support regime change in Venezuela. I don't support US troops in Venezuela. But I see no problem with Trump meeting with the opposition and offering encouragement. Venezuela has a ton of oil and could be prosperous. More trade would be good for everyone. I don't see a problem with committing money and intelligence to oust a Communist.

    That is my usual contrarian take. I understand not getting involved and the LP chair probably should promote it. But Venezuela isn't similar to Iraq.

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    Not very Libertarian when your calling for regime changes and more interventionism!
    While knowing that Libya and Iraq were a chaotic mess!

  33. #29
    I've never looked into Sarwark's background until now but after looking into it I guarantee he's a CIA plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Hayek thought it was a good idea. Among other quotes:

    "More recently I have not been able to find a single person even in much maligned Chile who did not agree that personal freedom was much greater under Pinochet than it had been under Allende." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Friedr...d_dictatorship

    It is always weird when I see libertarians use Chile as an example of foreign meddling. Chile worked. That was a good intervention. If all interventions went that smoothly then there would be justification for them. There was no blowback and the people are much better off. There are no radical Chileans committing terrorism against the US. And no US soldiers lost their lives.

    I support regime change in Venezuela. I don't support US troops in Venezuela. But I see no problem with Trump meeting with the opposition and offering encouragement. Venezuela has a ton of oil and could be prosperous. More trade would be good for everyone. I don't see a problem with committing money and intelligence to oust a Communist.

    That is my usual contrarian take. I understand not getting involved and the LP chair probably should promote it. But Venezuela isn't similar to Iraq.
    Chile, what a success story. Was it when the US was engaging the economic hitmen to cripple the nation, or was it when those actions drove Chile leftward? Maybe it was when we supported Pinochet to put them under a right wing iron fist? It is a history of failure, like most of the South American interventions. Nicaragua, what a success. Noriega, things couldn’t have been better in Panama, eh? Too many examples to list.
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