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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Sorry, but I do not want or need help by president trump or anybody else from "government" concerning my affairs or how I choose to spend my own money.

    ;-)

    Maybe next go 'round?
    That's not an argument against what I said. At all. Not even close.


    What about the states are now doing it part?
    The states are Trump? I don't think he had any influence in that, even if he said it one time. The states will state. The legislation came out of the Florida school shooting.
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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    But not Adam Kokesh, who is a libertarian?
    I have supported Adam in the past. I like Adam but I think he has some growing to do. If he runs libertarian I might send him something. I did get a little out done with him I think he chose some hills to die on that did not do much to advance the cause. He was young and I am sure spending some time in jail probably did make him think about what he was doing. I think Adam is smart and has a big heart but, he needs to clean up his image a lot if he wants to get elected into office. I like John McAfee and have talked to him but his image would never be taken seriously on the national stage. But I loved the video he did on how to uninstall McAfee anti-virus




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  5. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    What the $#@! dude the Venezulans are getting screwed because the Chinese and Russians just stopped a revolution because their corrupt government is pawning their oil to the Russians and Chinese for peanuts.
    Are you really supporting the failed Venezuela coup by the US? Do you have ANY idea of why much of S & C America are so messed up?
    There is no spoon.

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Are you really supporting the failed Venezuela coup by the US? Do you have ANY idea of why much of S & C America are so messed up?
    So messed up? Let me ask you a question, would you rather live in South Korea or North Korea? I'd never want to live under a regime that is controlled by the Chinese, and that's what that is. Not only that, its basically our fault, because they are using Venezuala as economic warfare against us, they are just stuck in the middle between two psychopathic banking systems that don't give a $#@! about them and the regime that is in control right now is being propped up by the Chinese and people are starving and having to eat their pets, not because of socialism but because their corrupt regime is selling their country out for protection from China. The average person has lost like 40 lbs in the last two years and these aren't fat americans or anything like that.
    Last edited by nikcers; 06-12-2019 at 07:56 AM.

  7. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    But generally, Republicans do that too. Rand is an anomaly.
    We all know that the Republican Party sucks, which is why we are here to begin with. However, the typical Republican voter isn't going to attack you, spit on you, dox you, try to get you fired, etc., for supporting Ron and/or Rand Paul or their positions. The current Democrats/leftists are insane and there is very little common ground with them at this point.
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  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    She's a gun grabber. Nuff said.
    So is Trump. Nuff said.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Her voting record is terrible on everything including the wars she speaks against.

    It would be nice if she got the Demoncrat nomination because of her rhetoric but she would be an absolute disaster if she became POTUS.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He said she is the best of the Democrats. She is. Unfortunately her voting record on foreign policy and certain issues she champions, she has been shown to vote the opposite on many occasions.
    Link please.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    We all know that the Republican Party sucks, which is why we are here to begin with.
    I'm glad that you agree. My observation lately has been that many here do not know that. You can tell by the way they regurgitate Limbaugh lingo, like when they say someone has TDS, or when they talk about Democrats as if Republicans are much better as a rule.

  11. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    A Republican wouldn't damage your property or spit in your food for wearing a Rand Paul shirt?
    Naw. They'd just do it if you were wearing a Ron Paul shirt.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  12. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So is Trump. Nuff said.
    Trump said that you shouldn't take the guns after a mass shooting in a gun free zone because the bad guys will still have guns so you shouldn't take guns away.



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  14. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    However, the typical Republican voter isn't going to attack you, spit on you, dox you, try to get you fired, etc., for supporting Ron and/or Rand Paul or their positions.
    No, they do worse. Here is absolute proof:

    http://thepoliticsforums.com
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trump said that you shouldn't take the guns after a mass shooting in a gun free zone because the bad guys will still have guns so you shouldn't take guns away.

    Only if you are 21 or older, and do no have a bump stock.

    If you are 20 year old mother and hubby is away on business, you are SOL.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trump said that you shouldn't take the guns after a mass shooting in a gun free zone because the bad guys will still have guns so you shouldn't take guns away.
    A good experiment would be for Trump to say stuff in one hand and take a dump in the other hand and see which one fills up first.

  17. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Only if you are 21 or older, and do no have a bump stock.

    If you are 20 year old mother and hubby is away on business, you are SOL.
    The bump stock ban is designed to derail the democrats talking point, its a piece of $#@! that is not even necessary and not even effective, its designed to shut people up when they cry to him about gun violence.

  18. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The bump stock ban is designed to derail the democrats talking point, its a piece of $#@! that is not even necessary and not even effective, its designed to shut people up when they cry to him about gun violence.
    Whatever your reasoning, it is wrong.

    Not only is the 2nd Amendment violated, that little stunt also mucked with a Free Market system by putting those companies out of business, laying off productive workers, and restricting MY right to purchase/not purchase whatever I want. This is the unintended consequence that slowly deteriorates our rights, when "republicans" give such "passes".
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  19. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Whatever your reasoning, it is wrong.

    Not only is the 2nd Amendment violated, that little stunt also mucked with a Free Market system by putting those companies out of business, laying off productive workers, and restricting MY right to purchase/not purchase whatever I want. This is the unintended consequence that slowly deteriorates our rights, when "republicans" give such "passes".
    Well I guess if the 2nd amendment is violated we might as well go full Tulsi Gabbard and take all the guns

  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Well I guess if the 2nd amendment is violated we might as well go full Tulsi Gabbard and take all the guns
    I did not suggest that. I merely pointed out how our rights are vanishing before our very eyes and people after over a hundred years CONTINUE to make "rationalized" excuses for it, and even welcome it.

    The 2nd was violated. The Free Market was mucked with. It put employers and employees out of business. My right to own/purchase whatever the widget rests in the hands of government.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trump said that you shouldn't take the guns after a mass shooting in a gun free zone because the bad guys will still have guns so you shouldn't take guns away.
    He also said: "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record." (From Trump's book The America You Deserve.)

    He also was the first president ever to ban a gun accessory by executive order.

    He also implied that he would support Diane Feinstein's assault weapons ban. (See: https://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...htmlstory.html)

    Barack Obama said he wasn't going to try to take away your guns. And, to be honest, he made fewer gun grabbing moves than Trump has. Obama even signed executive orders rescinding gun control measures by Ronald Reagan. (See: https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-...ngress-3367595)

    And no, I'm not a fan of Obama. I consider both he and Trump to be gun grabbers. I could care less what a politician says. I care what he does. What kind of guns does Trump support law abiding citizens to have? I was listening to Patriot radio and I heard a Trump supporter call in complaining about Kristen Gillibrandt's recent attack on the second amendment (apparently Kristen is either so stupid as to not know that Trump did the bumpfire stock ban or too dishonest to admit it) and the caller lit into Gillibrandt, but then went on to say that she, the "conservative call" supported "reasonable" gun control like banning assault rifles. (Hmmmm...sounds like Trump.)

    Trump's bumpfire stock ban sets a dangerous precedent. A future president could ban other gun accessories by executive order. Consider this. You can bump fire using a belt loop or a rubber band. So how can you really prevent something like the Las Vegas shooting? Why you have to ban high capacity magazines. (That is if you think banning gun accessories is the solution as Trump apparently does). And banning high capacity magazines won't solve the "problem" because they can easily be 3D printed. So you have to ban civilian ownership of guns that can take magazines. There ya go. Assault weapons ban by stealth. Something Trump said he wanted anyway.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  23. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The bump stock ban is designed to derail the democrats talking point, its a piece of $#@! that is not even necessary and not even effective, its designed to shut people up when they cry to him about gun violence.
    The bumpfire ban opens the door for a full assault weapons ban by executive order. Trump said that's what he wanted in 2002 and again in 2018. (Assault weapons ban).
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    He also said: "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record." (From Trump's book The America You Deserve.)

    He also was the first president ever to ban a gun accessory by executive order.

    He also implied that he would support Diane Feinstein's assault weapons ban. (See: https://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...htmlstory.html)

    Barack Obama said he wasn't going to try to take away your guns. And, to be honest, he made fewer gun grabbing moves than Trump has. Obama even signed executive orders rescinding gun control measures by Ronald Reagan. (See: https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-...ngress-3367595)

    And no, I'm not a fan of Obama. I consider both he and Trump to be gun grabbers. I could care less what a politician says. I care what he does. What kind of guns does Trump support law abiding citizens to have? I was listening to Patriot radio and I heard a Trump supporter call in complaining about Kristen Gillibrandt's recent attack on the second amendment (apparently Kristen is either so stupid as to not know that Trump did the bumpfire stock ban or too dishonest to admit it) and the caller lit into Gillibrandt, but then went on to say that she, the "conservative call" supported "reasonable" gun control like banning assault rifles. (Hmmmm...sounds like Trump.)

    Trump's bumpfire stock ban sets a dangerous precedent. A future president could ban other gun accessories by executive order. Consider this. You can bump fire using a belt loop or a rubber band. So how can you really prevent something like the Las Vegas shooting? Why you have to ban high capacity magazines. (That is if you think banning gun accessories is the solution as Trump apparently does). And banning high capacity magazines won't solve the "problem" because they can easily be 3D printed. So you have to ban civilian ownership of guns that can take magazines. There ya go. Assault weapons ban by stealth. Something Trump said he wanted anyway.
    You' are just as bad as the $#@!ing Bernie Sanders people who are calling for socialism for all because corporations get it. Well I guess since we already have socialism we should expand it, well I guess since we already have gun control we should vote for someone who wants to take the guns.

  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Well I guess if the 2nd amendment is violated we might as well go full Tulsi Gabbard and take all the guns
    Link to Tulsi Gabbard saying that she wanted to ban all guns.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You' are just as bad as the $#@!ing Bernie Sanders people who are calling for socialism for all because corporations get it. Well I guess since we already have socialism we should expand it, well I guess since we already have gun control we should vote for someone who wants to take the guns.
    You are the one being like Bernie Sanders. I am speaking out against gun control. You are giving Trump a pass on it. Shame on you.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #173
    Gun Control Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control.

    Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control. She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity magazines, requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and making sure that terrorists are not allowed to buy guns. Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating

  28. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I did not suggest that. I merely pointed out how our rights are vanishing before our very eyes and people after over a hundred years CONTINUE to make "rationalized" excuses for it, and even welcome it.

    The 2nd was violated. The Free Market was mucked with. It put employers and employees out of business. My right to own/purchase whatever the widget rests in the hands of government.
    This! A THOUSAND times this! Trump has destroyed the liberty movement. You can't even criticize Trump's gun grabbing without some idiots twisting that into you supporting gun control. WTF? Really? What's next? Trump signs an executive order for abortion funding and Trump supporters say "That's just to take away a democratic talking point?" Face scanning cameras at the airport. That's okay cause "them dems are bad." Seriously, why didn't we all just back John McCain and Mitt Romney then?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You are the one being like Bernie Sanders. I am speaking out against gun control. You are giving Trump a pass on it. Shame on you.
    No i am not giving a pass for Trump on guns, I critcized him up until he started saying that he would not take the guns. If anything Trump has moved in my direction I haven't moved in his.

  30. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This! A THOUSAND times this! Trump has destroyed the liberty movement. You can't even criticize Trump's gun grabbing without some idiots twisting that into you supporting gun control. WTF? Really? What's next? Trump signs an executive order for abortion funding and Trump supporters say "That's just to take away a democratic talking point?" Face scanning cameras at the airport. That's okay cause "them dems are bad." Seriously, why didn't we all just back John McCain and Mitt Romney then?
    I didn't back anyone who I thought would lose, I didn't even back Trump because I thought he would lose. Whats the point of wasting energy backing someone if they aren't going to win or they aren't advocating for political posistions you hold?



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  32. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Gun Control Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control.

    Tulsi has a consistent record of advocating for sensible gun control. She has long called for reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity magazines, requiring comprehensive pre-purchase background checks, closing the gun-show loophole, and making sure that terrorists are not allowed to buy guns. Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating
    Trump has done everything you say Tulsi has done. And the NRA sucks. They wouldn't stand up for a concealed carry permit holder who was gunned down for no good reason by an out of control cop based on the lame excuse that he smelled weed. That dumbass cop should have known if the driver of the car announces to you that he has a carry permit that most likely means he does NOT intend to shoot you! To hell with the NRA. They are the reason we have background checks and other "reasonable" gun control.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    No i am not giving a pass for Trump on guns, I critcized him up until he started saying that he would not take the guns. If anything Trump has moved in my direction I haven't moved in his.
    Obama said he wouldn't take guns away. Trump has done more to take guns away than Obama.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #179
    I spent all my energy saying that we should put someone up against Hillary because I didn't want her to win to the point where I thought Trump would lose and spent all my energy advocating for a better candidate because I thought backing Trump was the same as backing Hillary if he was going to lose.

  35. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    He also said: "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record." (From Trump's book The America You Deserve.)

    He also was the first president ever to ban a gun accessory by executive order.

    He also implied that he would support Diane Feinstein's assault weapons ban. (See: https://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...htmlstory.html)

    Barack Obama said he wasn't going to try to take away your guns. And, to be honest, he made fewer gun grabbing moves than Trump has. Obama even signed executive orders rescinding gun control measures by Ronald Reagan. (See: https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-...ngress-3367595)

    And no, I'm not a fan of Obama. I consider both he and Trump to be gun grabbers. I could care less what a politician says. I care what he does. What kind of guns does Trump support law abiding citizens to have? I was listening to Patriot radio and I heard a Trump supporter call in complaining about Kristen Gillibrandt's recent attack on the second amendment (apparently Kristen is either so stupid as to not know that Trump did the bumpfire stock ban or too dishonest to admit it) and the caller lit into Gillibrandt, but then went on to say that she, the "conservative call" supported "reasonable" gun control like banning assault rifles. (Hmmmm...sounds like Trump.)

    Trump's bumpfire stock ban sets a dangerous precedent. A future president could ban other gun accessories by executive order. Consider this. You can bump fire using a belt loop or a rubber band. So how can you really prevent something like the Las Vegas shooting? Why you have to ban high capacity magazines. (That is if you think banning gun accessories is the solution as Trump apparently does). And banning high capacity magazines won't solve the "problem" because they can easily be 3D printed. So you have to ban civilian ownership of guns that can take magazines. There ya go. Assault weapons ban by stealth. Something Trump said he wanted anyway.
    Some people say this is Trump trying to save gun owners money by avoiding bump stocks. But more importantly than that, this move will allow future presidents to ban other accessories and the one that comes to mind is the high capacity mags. This is why Tulsi doesn't really scare me. The republicans are just as harmful to the 2nd amendment as the democrats.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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