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    U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Total Dips to Lowest Level in a Decade

    That is the total number estimated to be in the country. The asylum seekers are mostly not entering illegally but asking to be let in.

    https://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/...l-in-a-decade/

    The number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. fell to its lowest level in more than a decade, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on 2016 government data. The decline is due almost entirely to a sharp decrease in the number of Mexicans entering the country without authorization.

    But the Mexican border remains a pathway for entry by growing numbers of unauthorized immigrants from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. Because of them, Central America was the only birth region accounting for more U.S. unauthorized immigrants in 2016 than in 2007.

    There were 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007, according to the new estimates.

    The total is the lowest since 2004. It is tied to a decline of 1.5 million people in the number of Mexican unauthorized immigrants from 2007 to 2016. Nevertheless, Mexico remains the country of origin for 5.4 million unauthorized immigrants, or roughly half of the U.S. total.

    The declining overall number of unauthorized immigrants is due mainly to a very large drop in the number of new unauthorized immigrants, especially Mexicans, coming into the country. Consequently, today’s unauthorized immigrant population includes a smaller share of recent arrivals, especially from Mexico, than a decade earlier. Increasingly unauthorized immigrants are likely to be long-term U.S. residents: Two-thirds of adult unauthorized immigrants have lived in the country for more than 10 years.

    As overall numbers declined, other related changes occurred in the unauthorized immigrant population. Between 2007 and 2016, the number of unauthorized immigrant workers fell, as did their share of the total U.S. workforce over the same period. So did the number of unauthorized immigrant men in the prime working ages of 18 to 44, but not women in that age group.

    As their typical span of U.S. residence has grown, a rising share of unauthorized immigrant adults – 43% in 2016 compared with 32% in 2007 – live in households with U.S.-born children.

    More at link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is the total number estimated to be in the country. The asylum seekers are mostly not entering illegally but asking to be let in.



    More at link.
    Link? What link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Link? What link?
    My apologies. I forgot to include it. Updated post to add it but here it is again for you: https://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/...l-in-a-decade/
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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    Ah, Pew. Globalists. Meh. 125k were apprehended just last month. Enough to displace and repopulate my whole county. An environmentalist once told me "delusion is not the solution." I tend to agree when it comes to open borders.
    Last edited by phill4paul; 06-10-2019 at 06:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Ah, Pew. Globalists. Meh. 125k were apprehended just last month. Enough to displace and repopulate my whole county. An environmentalist once told me "delusion is not the solution." I tend to agree when it comes to open borders.
    "Apprehended" means did not get in and are not in the US illegally. It includes those who turned themselves in to apply for asylum- these people are trying to gain legal access to the country.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-10-2019 at 06:24 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Ah, Pew. Globalists. Meh. 125k were apprehended just last month. Enough to displace and repopulate my whole county. An environmentalist once told me "delusion is not the solution." I tend to agree when it comes to open borders.
    4,033 per day and not counting those that made it through . If you spread that across the 92 counties in my home state it would be 44 per county per day . If that is improvement then the bar was pretty low to start with .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    While their total numbers were higher than Pew's, they also agreed with Pew that the totals have been declining since 2007.

    While the findings are startling, they aren’t describing a new situation. “We wouldn’t want people to walk away from this research thinking that suddenly there’s a large influx happening now,” says Feinstein. “It’s really something that happened in the past and maybe was not properly counted or documented.”

    The trajectory is the same. We see the same patterns happening, but they’re just understating the actual number of people who have made it here,” says Fazel‐Zarandi. In his view, that suggests the survey method doesn’t effectively reach a group with incentives to stay undetected. “They are capturing part of this population, but not the whole population.”
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insigh...ious-estimates

    They also point out that if the actual number is higher than thought, the crime rates for illegal immigrants is lower due to the larger population given the same (already low) number of crimes. If the population is double, the crime rate is cut in half.

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-10-2019 at 06:52 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    While their total numbers were higher than Pew's, they also concluded that the totals have been declining since 2007.
    Even if it were true it wouldn't make 22 Million anything less than a crisis and since they lied to us about the total by so much for so long I see no reason to believe them that the number was dropping.

    It certainly isn't dropping now, the globalists have been putting the pedal to the metal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even if it were true it wouldn't make 22 Million anything less than a crisis and since they lied to us about the total by so much for so long I see no reason to believe them that the number was dropping.

    It certainly isn't dropping now, the globalists have been putting the pedal to the metal.
    https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-...rrent-estimate

    He cautioned that the new figures don’t indicate a sudden influx of undocumented immigration. “It’s something that has happened in the past and maybe was not measured properly.”
    “One of the most common arguments in favor of a tougher immigration policy is that undocumented immigrants are coming with a lot of criminality,” Kaplan notes. But paradoxically, the new findings may undercut that argument. He points out that previous studies, based on the widely accepted total of 11.3 million undocumented immigrants, found that the rate of serious crimes committed by these immigrants is lower than for U.S. citizens. The new findings suggest that the rate is even lower than previously believed: “You have the same number of crimes but now spread over twice as many people as was believed before, which right away means that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is essentially half whatever was previously believed.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Their crime rates are suppressed as well but that was never the primary problem, their politics is.

    There is certainly a massive increase in the invasion lately and the number already here is scandalous.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    I see you have followed the playbook and used a deceptively edited quote without a link to the original in your signature.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    More cliches. And their politics doesn't matter since they can't vote. And those who do become citizens tend to have low voter turnout rates.

    Need more government to stop them! Protect us Lord Trump!
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    More cliches.
    Truths.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And their politics doesn't matter since they can't vote.
    They do vote and they campaign and they have children who grow up and vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    And those who do become citizens tend to have low voter turnout rates.
    It's enough to tip the balance of power.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is the total number estimated to be in the country. The asylum seekers are mostly not entering illegally but asking to be let in.

    https://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/...l-in-a-decade/



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    We need open borders in America , because..............

    .....because, um..... well......it doesn't work anywhere in the world so , yea, that's it,
    we need to do this......doh, doh, doh, doh, .......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    We need open borders in America , because..............

    .....because, um..... well......it doesn't work anywhere in the world so , yea, that's it,
    we need to do this......doh, doh, doh, doh, .......
    Who is calling for open borders? We don't have open borders.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I see you have followed the playbook and used a deceptively edited quote without a link to the original in your signature.
    I did not include a link (but can if you like) but the quote is not edited.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I did not include a link (but can if you like) but the quote is not edited.
    I was in error, it is out of context instead.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Link now included. Post was quoted in its entirety.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link now included. Post was quoted in its entirety.
    And out of context, you know very well that it implies something different than intended without the post it was a reply to.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Who is calling for open borders? We don't have open borders.
    You don't want open borders ?

    You have a chart to back it up ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "Apprehended" means did not get in and are not in the US illegally. It includes those who turned themselves in to apply for asylum- these people are trying to gain legal access to the country.
    The asylum seekers are not seeking asylum, they want freebies, prosperity,
    capitalism, and the American way of life, you are disingenuous at best.

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    these are meaningless.

    "Rates have declined", so what. Give me a percentage by. This is ridiculous, "Has seen a drop since 2007" blah blah blah, by how much? Looks like its really maintained a plateau over the last 10 years.

    According to the graph, since 1990 to 2019 there has been approximately a three times increase in the rate. I could (and more accurately say) the rate has maintained above 10.7 million since 2007.

    a change of 2.5 million (decrease) since 2006 v/s an increase of 7.2 million since 1990 and that has been maintained since 2006.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.

    2 + 2 = 5.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    these are meaningless.

    "Rates have declined", so what. Give me a percentage by. This is ridiculous, "Has seen a drop since 2007" blah blah blah, by how much? Looks like its really maintained a plateau over the last 10 years.

    According to the graph, since 1990 to 2019 there has been approximately a three times increase in the rate. I could (and more accurately say) the rate has maintained above 10.7 million since 2007.

    a change of 2.5 million (decrease) since 2006 v/s an increase of 7.2 million since 1990 and that has been maintained since 2006.
    Speaking of meaningless, what "rate" was maintained?

    I could (and more accurately say) the rate has maintained above 10.7 million since 2007.
    Is something growing at 10.7 million percent? That is a rate. And a huge one. If it (the population level) is maintained, the growth rate would be zero.

    a three times increase in the rate.
    A "three times increase in the rate" would mean things are growing three times faster than they were. For example, if something was increasing at ten percent a year, that would mean it would be growing at 30% a year now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Speaking of meaningless, what "rate" was maintained?



    If it is maintained, the growth rate would be zero. Is something growing at 10.7 million percent? That is a rate. And a huge one.



    A "three times increase in the rate" would mean things are growing three times faster than they were. For example, if something was increasing at ten percent a year, that would mean it would be growing at 30% a year now.
    Look at the chart you posted.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.

    2 + 2 = 5.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Look at the chart you posted.
    That isn't a rate- it is a population figure. Total estimated numbers of illegal immigrants in the country. It isn't the rate of growth. The rate of growth is the slope of the chart. A flat line is zero percent growth. If it is sloping downwards (like it is after 2007), the rate is negative and the population of illegal immigrants in the country is declining.

    Just so people don't have to scroll up and down to see it:



    The Pew chart is also millions of illegal immigrants (except for their third chart).

    Now if you do want a rate, we can take the figures from the Pew chart (easier to read exact numbers.). 2007 illegal immigrant population estimate: 12.2 million. 2017 estimate: 10.7 million. Subtract. A decrease of 1.5 million people. So what is the percent? Divide that 1.5 by 12.2 (the change divided by the original figure) which gives us 0.123. To get a percent, multiply that by 100 and we get the illegal immigrant population decreasing by 12.3% between 2007 and 2017.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-10-2019 at 08:48 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    3.5M = 1990
    10.7M = 2016

    I'm looking at the first graph (wish I was better at posting images). 10.7 - 3.5 = 7.2 million increase per year starting in 2006, (picking the low end) 2016.
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It is a deconstructionist society. In an age of overload of information, truth of words has become irrelevant. Truth of meaning is all that is left.

    2 + 2 = 5.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    3.5M = 1990
    10.7M = 2016

    I'm looking at the first graph (wish I was better at posting images). 10.7 - 3.5 = 7.2 million increase per year starting in 2006, (picking the low end) 2016.
    Yes, it was growing until 2007. Then the recession hit and things reversed. But 7.2 million is not per year- that is the total increase. That is the total estimated illegal immigrant population- not how much it grew that year.

    From 1995 to 2005 the population went from 5.7 to 11.1 million- an increase of 5.4 million or 540,000 a year on average (about nine percent a year).

    Then from 2007 to 2017 it decreased- going from 12.2 million to 10.7 in ten years- a decrease of 1.5 million or a net exodus of those in the country of 150,000 a year more leaving the US than came here those years.

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-10-2019 at 09:00 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  34. #30
    Lulz...Only 8 bazillion people are entering the U.S. illegally as opposed to the 10 bazillion of yesteryear.
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