The next wave of demographic warfare: thousands from Ebola ravaged Africa on the way

[phill4paul]

No shooting of people. And no entry unless properly screened, including common sense disease controls, especially people who may flee quarantine zones. Visitors, vacationers, business visits welcome.

Permanent immigration? Controlled and orderly, up to and including periodic moratoriums.

And what if they crossed and just kept walking? Can they be forcefully detained in other ways? Handcuffed and if resistant beaten or tasered?

[Swordsmyth]

You are more likely to be killed by lightning.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/us/mo...rnd/index.html

That was true of the Black Plague and is true currently, but there was a time in between when it wasn't, the same thing can happen with Ebola, it's the same with all plagues.

[Swordsmyth]

And what if they crossed and just kept walking? Can they be forcefully detained in other ways? Handcuffed and if resistant beaten or tasered?

You can't afford to rule anything out.

That doesn't mean that shooting people should be your first resort but it might become necessary.

[Swordsmyth]

No, not all would die. But a few. Since none have died from Ebola we can be pretty sure they are not bringing Ebola with them. They were checked out at a hospital anyways.

This is just fear mongering.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...go/1319996001/

The Ebola outbreak is getting out of control, if it starts to spread we could easily be overwhelmed with more cases than we have the facilities to safely handle.

[Swordsmyth]

And what if they crossed and just kept walking? Can they be forcefully detained in other ways? Handcuffed and if resistant beaten or tasered?

If the Ebola outbreak gets out of control then any physical interaction could become dangerous to those enforcing border controls.

[Swordsmyth]

Since you do not care about Natural Rights, the NAP, Private Property and Contract Rights, forced Documentation and mandated Government Minimum Wage, I would consider you a more severe threat. I would defend and protect your natural right to speak freely, but once you cross MY line and attempt to restrict MY *all of the above*.... yes, you have indeed shown your true colors.

We have a Natural Right to control our territory and exclude those who would violate our rights or endanger us.

It is YOU who doesn't care about OUR rights or even or lives, YOU are the dangerous one and you continue to demonstrate that ever more clearly.

[Zippyjuan]

The Ebola outbreak is getting out of control, if it starts to spread we could easily be overwhelmed with more cases than we have the facilities to safely handle.

So you live in Congo.

[Swordsmyth]

Yea, I am sure why some people develop lesions and others do not. The point is that sand fleas are way more dangerous than ebola and yet nobody is scared of em.

Can they be transmitted from one person to another through contact?

[Swordsmyth]

So you live in Congo.

There is nothing that will keep it contained there, germs don't understand lines on a map.

[Zippyjuan]

Can they be transmitted from one person to another through contact?

Requires fluid to fluid contact. https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news...tober-2014/en/

The Ebola virus is transmitted among humans through close and direct physical contact with infected bodily fluids, the most infectious being blood, faeces and vomit.

The Ebola virus has also been detected in breast milk, urine and semen. In a convalescent male, the virus can persist in semen for at least 70 days; one study suggests persistence for more than 90 days.

Saliva and tears may also carry some risk. However, the studies implicating these additional bodily fluids were extremely limited in sample size and the science is inconclusive. In studies of saliva, the virus was found most frequently in patients at a severe stage of illness. The whole live virus has never been isolated from sweat.

Not an airborne virus

Ebola virus disease is not an airborne infection. Airborne spread among humans implies inhalation of an infectious dose of virus from a suspended cloud of small dried droplets.

This mode of transmission has not been observed during extensive studies of the Ebola virus over several decades.

WHO is not aware of any studies that actually document this mode of transmission. On the contrary, good quality studies from previous Ebola outbreaks show that all cases were infected by direct close contact with symptomatic patients.

[Swordsmyth]

Requires fluid to fluid contact. https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news...tober-2014/en/

And?

I said "contact".

[Zippyjuan]

And?

I said "contact".

You must contact their fluids. Touching their skin will not infect you.

[Swordsmyth]

You must contact their fluids. Touching their skin will not infect you.

It will if they are bleeding, they tend to bleed a lot.

It spreads dangerously easily.

[Zippyjuan]

It will if they are bleeding, they tend to bleed a lot.

It spreads dangerously easily.

If you like to play with bleeding bodies.

[phill4paul]

You can't afford to rule anything out.

That doesn't mean that shooting people should be your first resort but it might become necessary.

I'm at the point of creating a "no man's zone." Setting up anti-personnel devises at random points. With signs warning about trespassing along the whole way. It would only take one or two killings of trespasses for the word to get out that crossing at any point might be fatal. Anti-personnel devises are cheap, and if applied randomly, give the perception that any crossing other than legal might be fatal.
Because that is what it is gonna take.
It's a hard course. But when the number of trespasses coming per month equal the number of my counties population hard measures need to be taken.

"A Republic, if you can keep it."

[Brian4Liberty]

And what if they crossed and just kept walking? Can they be forcefully detained in other ways? Handcuffed and if resistant beaten or tasered?

I’d expect it to work the same as a person trying to enter a concert without a ticket. Turned away, with an escalating list of options if a person becomes violent or tries to break through.

As it stands now, it’s like walking up to a concert gate without a ticket and them saying, “no problem, we’ll figure it out in a couple of years, take this pass for free entry to any show, and be sure to stop by the concessions for free food and beverages.”

[Zippyjuan]

I'm at the point of creating a "no man's zone." Setting up anti-personnel devises at random points. With signs warning about trespassing along the whole way. It would only take one or two killings of trespasses for the word to get out that crossing at any point might be fatal. Anti-personnel devises are cheap, and if applied randomly, give the perception that any crossing other than legal might be fatal.
Because that is what it is gonna take.
It's a hard course. But when the number of trespasses coming per month equal the number of my counties population hard measures need to be taken.

"A Republic, if you can keep it."

Half of all those currently in the country entered legally and overstayed visas. Most of those coming now are crossing at legal points and asking for asylum rather than sneaking across.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm at the point of creating a "no man's zone." Setting up anti-personnel devises at random points. With signs warning about trespassing along the whole way. It would only take one or two killings of trespasses for the word to get out that crossing at any point might be fatal. Anti-personnel devises are cheap, and if applied randomly, give the perception that any crossing other than legal might be fatal.
Because that is what it is gonna take.
It's a hard course. But when the number of trespasses coming per month equal the number of my counties population hard measures need to be taken.

"A Republic, if you can keep it."

It may be necessary because the crisis has been allowed to grow so bad.

[Zippyjuan]

It may be necessary because the crisis has been allowed to grow so bad.

Numbers were actually worse under Bush.

[Swordsmyth]

Numbers were actually worse under Bush.

That doesn't mean anything except that the crisis has been very bad for a very long time.

[Zippyjuan]

That doesn't mean anything except that the crisis has been very bad for a very long time.

"Crisis" is usually something new and dramatic requiring immediate action. The "Crisis" has been going on for decades. And was actually improving significantly until Trump took office.

[phill4paul]

Half of all those currently in the country entered legally and overstayed visas. Most of those coming now are crossing at legal points and asking for asylum rather than sneaking across.

No. Most entered illegally. They were allowed to stay legally. THAT's the problem. Most coming are NOT crossing at legal check points. They come across the border at cartel points and wait for our impotent system to process them. If not, WHY would anyone choose to enter other than through a check point?

[Swordsmyth]

"Crisis" is usually something new and dramatic requiring immediate action. The "Crisis" has been going on for decades. And was actually improving significantly until Trump took office.

If you are dying of cancer it is a crisis whether you have just contacted it or whether you have had it for years.

[Zippyjuan]

No. Most entered illegally. They were allowed to stay legally. THAT's the problem. Most coming are NOT crossing at legal check points. They come across the border at cartel points and wait for our impotent system to process them. If not, WHY would anyone choose to enter other than through a check point?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ntinue-n730216

Visa Overstays Outnumber Illegal Border Crossings, Trend Expected to Continue

The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally, raising questions about the effectiveness of President Donald Trump's plan to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said in a recent report. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying their period of admission, the center repored.

Overstays have exceeded those entering illegally every year since 2007, and there have been half a million more overstays than illegal entries since 2007.

The study by the CMS divides the 2014 population into two groups: those who enter with a valid temporary visa, but subsequently “overstay” and establish residence in the U.S. without authorization and those who “enter without inspection” (EWI) through the southern border without proper immigration documents.

According to the report, in 2014, 42 percent of all undocumented persons in the U.S. were “overstays.”

Of those who arrived or joined the undocumented population in 2014, 66 percent were overstays.

This trend is expected to continue.

The CMS has previously reported on the dramatic decline in the U.S. undocumented population between 2008 and 2014.

more at link.

[phill4paul]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ntinue-n730216



more at link.

If they are "over stays" they aren't "undocumented." WTF? And you link an article quoting 2014 figures. Just shut the $#@! up already. Your red bar is deserved. Can't believe I defnded you so long ago. When you actually sourced relevant data.

[Zippyjuan]

If they are "over stays" they aren't "undocumented." WTF? And you link an article quoting 2014 figures. Just shut the $#@! up already. Your red bar is deserved. Can't believe I defnded you so long ago. When you actually sourced relevant data.

Two different groups. Undocumented did not enter the country legally- overstays did- and currently there are twice as many overstaying as entering illegally. The biggest country for overstayers is Canada- with twice as many as second place Mexico.

[phill4paul]

Two different groups. Undocumented did not enter the country legally- overstays did- and currently there are twice as many overstaying as entering illegally. The biggest country for overstayers is Canada- with twice as many as second place Mexico.

And your data base comes from 2014. Catch up. Or shut the $#@! up.

[Zippyjuan]

And your data base comes from 2014. Catch up. Or shut the $#@! up.

Do you have newer data? Can you show it is no longer correct?

DHS figures for 2017 (latest available) https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...tay_Report.pdf

DHS has determined that there were 52,656,022 in-scope nonimmigrant admissions1 to the United States through air or sea POEs with expected departures occurring in FY 2017, which represents the majority of air and sea annual nonimmigrant admissions. Of this number, DHS calculated a total overstay rate of 1.33 percent, or 701,900 overstay events.

That does not include people who came by automobile or train or even foot.

Canada and Mexico Overstay Rates

Unlike other countries, a majority of travelers from Canada and Mexico enter the United States by land. Figures pertaining to Canada and Mexico are presented separately from the other countries due to the fact that air and sea information represent a smaller portion of the Canadian and Mexican travel population. For Canada, the FY 2017 Suspected InCountry Overstay rate for those traveling through air and sea POEs is 1.01 percent of 9,215,158 expected departures. For Mexico, the FY 2017 Suspected In-Country Overstay rate for those traveling through air and sea POEs is 1.63 percent of 2,916,430 expected departures. This represents only travel through air and sea POEs and does not include data on land border crossings.

[juleswin]

Can they be transmitted from one person to another through contact?

Yes, jiggers are way more contagious than ebola and yet nobody says anything about it. With ebola, its not just contact but you need body fluids from an infected person to blood or mucus membrane of victim. There have been a few cases of tourists in South America coming home with it but giving the right conditions, the jigger can spread from human to a suitable wildlife host and before you know it, it would be as normal as getting lime disease and we don't want that.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, jiggers are way more contagious than ebola and yet nobody says anything about it. With ebola, its not just contact but you need body fluids from an infected person to blood or mucus membrane of victim. There have been a few cases of tourists in South America coming home with it but giving the right conditions, the jigger can spread from human to a suitable wildlife host and before you know it, it would be as normal as getting lime disease and we don't want that.

We should be concerned about it, but how easy is it to cure and what is its death rate.
Ebola is very difficult to cure and has an 80% death rate.