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    We Are Destroyed

    We are not on our way, as a people, a culture, a statistical glob, to destruction. We are already there - we most of us just do not yet realize it.

    I read and hear words of the "we need to X..." sort, whether from libertarians, antifa, socialists, or whatever other label you care to cough up. Those words are always vague in the sense that they say what must be done in the opinion of he who utters, yet never tell us how to do them, nor do they suggest in the least manner how we do them such that we do not end up in an equally horrible position in the aftermath, or worse.

    On the whole, we humans are utterly horrible creatures, our short but blood-soaked history a vulgar and frank testament to the truth of the assertion. There is little to recommend us, which may well be the reason we have not heard from other worlds. Who in their right minds would place into human hands the technologies that take objects between star systems? We cannot even handle our own means, much less those of more capable beings.

    Note how all the classical big-mouths of history have told us precisely how to "revolution", yet not a one has uttered so much as a single meaningful peep as to how to live with one another; how to structure ourselves in aftermath such that we do not become precisely that which we just killed off. It is all well and good to speak of "draining the swamp" and all it implies, but nobody is talking much about what to do after the gore has painted our streets and the walls of the capitols.

    Forgetting the rest of the world, we Americans are "slouching our ways to Gemmorah", as my little bro is fond of saying. At best, we have vague notions of proper human relations; of what it means to live in accord with our birthrights as free men, and here I am being generous to an ill-reasoned fault. In truth and in deeper detail, we have little clue as to what it means to be free. We do not, in fact, recognize actual freedom as such and when confronted with it even as a theory, most of us recoil in fear, horror, disgust, and openly hostile, dripping, raving hatred.

    We, the most of us, have neither the recognition of what life in accord with proper relations between men is, nor the inclination toward learning.

    Therefore, we are already destroyed. The only step that remains to us is to acknowledge and accept that this is the case. Because we will not change how we are in sufficient measure as a statistical whole, the only thing we can do is wait for the end, because that is where we are heading, "end" not necessarily meaning extinction of the genus, but certainly the end of any condition that anyone with sense would consider worth the living. The few with aspirations even the most meekly adventurous beyond the corridors our apparent future shall define for us, will be consumed as such temerity will one day soon meet with zero-tolerance.

    This is where we stand, and that is where we are going, all by our own choices; all because we chose false convenience and token fortune over that which is right and proper.

    Enjoy what you may, because I suspect things are only going to get worse as we lurch forward into a future that is very likely not worth the living. Even if a man like Trump turns out fulfilling his promise to us, what about the day he leaves office? Who and what will fill the vacuum? If he were the savior - the great drainer of the swamp, so what? Are we cut of a cloth to inherit the improved America? I say not. Why? Because we were and are not of the fabric to do this work ourselves. We pimped our responsibilities off onto the shoulder of a "leader", demurring so pathetically from being leaders ourselves. We deserve nothing of our freedoms - not a whit of it, but rather only the degradations of the slaves that we have become precisely because we are filthy little cowards, addicted to the aforementioned conveniences, cheap and tawdry.

    Yes, whoop it up while you can. Indulge yourselves in the pretty lies and bull$#@!, because it matters no whit - we are destroyed.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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    yet not a one has uttered so much as a single meaningful peep as to how to live with one another; how to structure ourselves in aftermath such that we do not become precisely that which we just killed off.
    It's pretty simple really:

    A - Mind your own business.

    B- Keep your hands to yourself.

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It's pretty simple really:

    A - Mind your own business.

    B- Keep your hands to yourself.

    And when was the last time you encountered this beyond a few scattered individuals here or there?

    ...


    Precisely.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    We are not on our way, as a people, a culture, a statistical glob, to destruction. We are already there - we most of us just do not yet realize it.

    I read and hear words of the "we need to X..." sort, whether from libertarians, antifa, socialists, or whatever other label you care to cough up. Those words are always vague in the sense that they say what must be done in the opinion of he who utters, yet never tell us how to do them, nor do they suggest in the least manner how we do them such that we do not end up in an equally horrible position in the aftermath, or worse.

    On the whole, we humans are utterly horrible creatures, our short but blood-soaked history a vulgar and frank testament to the truth of the assertion. There is little to recommend us, which may well be the reason we have not heard from other worlds. Who in their right minds would place into human hands the technologies that take objects between star systems? We cannot even handle our own means, much less those of more capable beings.

    Note how all the classical big-mouths of history have told us precisely how to "revolution", yet not a one has uttered so much as a single meaningful peep as to how to live with one another; how to structure ourselves in aftermath such that we do not become precisely that which we just killed off. It is all well and good to speak of "draining the swamp" and all it implies, but nobody is talking much about what to do after the gore has painted our streets and the walls of the capitols.

    Forgetting the rest of the world, we Americans are "slouching our ways to Gemmorah", as my little bro is fond of saying. At best, we have vague notions of proper human relations; of what it means to live in accord with our birthrights as free men, and here I am being generous to an ill-reasoned fault. In truth and in deeper detail, we have little clue as to what it means to be free. We do not, in fact, recognize actual freedom as such and when confronted with it even as a theory, most of us recoil in fear, horror, disgust, and openly hostile, dripping, raving hatred.

    We, the most of us, have neither the recognition of what life in accord with proper relations between men is, nor the inclination toward learning.

    Therefore, we are already destroyed. The only step that remains to us is to acknowledge and accept that this is the case. Because we will not change how we are in sufficient measure as a statistical whole, the only thing we can do is wait for the end, because that is where we are heading, "end" not necessarily meaning extinction of the genus, but certainly the end of any condition that anyone with sense would consider worth the living. The few with aspirations even the most meekly adventurous beyond the corridors our apparent future shall define for us, will be consumed as such temerity will one day soon meet with zero-tolerance.

    This is where we stand, and that is where we are going, all by our own choices; all because we chose false convenience and token fortune over that which is right and proper.

    Enjoy what you may, because I suspect things are only going to get worse as we lurch forward into a future that is very likely not worth the living. Even if a man like Trump turns out fulfilling his promise to us, what about the day he leaves office? Who and what will fill the vacuum? If he were the savior - the great drainer of the swamp, so what? Are we cut of a cloth to inherit the improved America? I say not. Why? Because we were and are not of the fabric to do this work ourselves. We pimped our responsibilities off onto the shoulder of a "leader", demurring so pathetically from being leaders ourselves. We deserve nothing of our freedoms - not a whit of it, but rather only the degradations of the slaves that we have become precisely because we are filthy little cowards, addicted to the aforementioned conveniences, cheap and tawdry.

    Yes, whoop it up while you can. Indulge yourselves in the pretty lies and bull$#@!, because it matters no whit - we are destroyed.
    How defeatist! ("We" have been watching too much propaganda!)

    All you ever really have is here and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proph View Post
    How defeatist! ("We" have been watching too much propaganda!)

    All you ever really have is here and now.

    Defeatist?

    Easy to say from behind your keyboard. But let me not be more "defeatist". Rather, let me ask this: how do you see we, the (maybe) 3% or perhaps 0.3%, proceeding to throw from our necks the vampires that have been feeding upon us for however many thousands of years? Please give details of such an operation - the nitty gritty.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Defeatist?

    Easy to say from behind your keyboard. But let me not be more "defeatist". Rather, let me ask this: how do you see we, the (maybe) 3% or perhaps 0.3%, proceeding to throw from our necks the vampires that have been feeding upon us for however many thousands of years? Please give details of such an operation - the nitty gritty.
    We can start a petition
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Petitions are worthless. I will be writing a strongly worded letter to my...
    So is your letter.

    I just made a sign. I am going to hold it up above my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    We can start a petition
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Defeatist?

    Easy to say from behind your keyboard. But let me not be more "defeatist". Rather, let me ask this: how do you see we, the (maybe) 3% or perhaps 0.3%, proceeding to throw from our necks the vampires that have been feeding upon us for however many thousands of years? Please give details of such an operation - the nitty gritty.
    Clicky clicky the linky linky for the nitty gritty.

    Individuals working towards their own, personal ideas for freedom -- approaching the problem of statism from multiple angles -- will be more successful than any centralized, so-called "operation." (Your way seems to be motivation via pessimism, but depressed people generally aren't active!)

    Politicians, police, and those that serve the State will never be held accountable for their wrongdoing, and attempting such via violence will only hurt more innocents. Most of these people probably believe in what they do. This belief absolves their conscience just long enough until they eventually become numbed cogs who accept that routine trespasses are necessary in order to serve their function. (Education will be more beneficial than roving, vigilante, kangaroo courts; but that rarely happens without communication, and people won't listen unless they respect you to some degree.)

    I see the State eventually fading into obscurity via mockery and derision -- and memes! (There are so many "laws" on the books now, that one can't help but be civilly disobedient.)

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    I am at a loss. Your link didn't explain much of anything in terms of actual tactics.

    Individuals working towards their own, personal ideas for freedom -- approaching the problem of statism from multiple angles -- will be more successful than any centralized, so-called "operation." (Your way seems to be motivation via pessimism, but depressed people generally aren't active!)
    Uh huh. There are a few problems with this. Firstly, "personal ideas for freedom" is a nonsense. Consider that "lefties" generally regard "freedom" as the liberty to stick one's naughty bits where they want. They believe they should be free to get free stuff like birth control and abortions.

    Without an objective definition of what it means to be properly free, we are going nowhere.

    Regardless, I suggest you go to NYC, strap on a sidearm and go waltzing about, then get back to us about how it all worked out for you. Your idea, at least as I understood what you wrote, is woefully inadequate because men with guns will act against you with full willingness to murder you if you give them 1/1000000th of an invalid pretext for doing so.

    Politicians, police, and those that serve the State will never be held accountable for their wrongdoing, and attempting such via violence will only hurt more innocents. Most of these people probably believe in what they do.
    I see. You actually think that given how deep down the poo-hole we have gone that we will be able to reclaim our liberties without such costs? That's hopelessly naive.

    I see the State eventually fading into obscurity via mockery and derision -- and memes! (There are so many "laws" on the books now, that one can't help but be civilly disobedient.)
    You cannot be serious. This smacks of bunnies and light. This is not the way - not in the face of a "state" whose agents are more than happy to kill you for your transgressions.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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  14. #12
    You can't talk about freedom or liberty without discussing rights, and a reasonably objective definition was included in the other thread:

    As long as your actions don’t harm another, consider it a right [or freedom]. Do you have a right [or freedom] to healthcare? Sure. Do you have a right [or freedom] to forcefully take others’ money to accomplish it? No! Lather, rinse, repeat for anything that is subsidized sans voluntary transactions.
    Lefties might finally see the light if they had to commit the extortion themselves, rather than relying on the facade of voting and politics. (I'm tempted to quote Spooner's piece on highway robbery.)

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I see. You actually think that given how deep down the poo-hole we have gone that we will be able to reclaim our liberties without such costs? That's hopelessly naive.
    Violence begets violence. True, lasting change will occur via civil disobedience. What each person does when confronted by tyrants -- agents of the State, or not -- is ultimately up to him or her.

    Besides declaring defeat and encouraging others to join your pity party, what is your personal plan? (Or, is that it?)

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    Some of us both now and throughout history have indeed opined on how to deal with human nature to create and preserve as much liberty, peace and prosperity as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Some of us both now and throughout history have indeed opined on how to deal with human nature to create and preserve as much liberty, peace and prosperity as possible.
    My gut reaction is to say that we need to remove all "states" forthwith and return to old world freedom where the hazards are at least as threatening as the perceived benefits may be seen as thrilling. This would be the ideal solution, but in order to go with that option, people would have to be willing to accept the hazard part, which they are not, which is why they want pretty slavery. They think they can have something at no cost. They are idiots, and that assessment is generous beyond forgiveness.

    The problem with this, beyond the cowardice and other corruptions of the meaner that drives him into the arms of lying tyrants, rests in our technologies. A thousand years ago, a single individual held some hope of evading the tyrant and possibly even being capable of fighting off some of his agents. Today, small numbers of men are able to wield such power that the corrupted and cowardly meaner ends up with little incentive to choose either sense or courage.


    Those who are unwilling to stoop to the lowest denominators of raw and undifferentiated political power, will be mastered by those who do not share that compunction.

    At best, we might be able to pull off a small colony of liberty minded people, but even that rests deep in doubt. Consider NH - the FSP has not come even close to fulfilling its promises and by all appearances, it is not going to do so any time soon.

    I don't see us as doing even the least of this. We are too far away from the sand needed to live as free men. Those at the top appear to be ever less inclined to tolerate even quietly cloistered groups who do not toe the line of the "state".

    It could be I'm grossly mistaken about all of this - that Americans will one day soon rise to the freedom's call and dispatch the tyrants, well equipped for the aftermath such that we do not devolve into the next Chinese "cultural revolution. At the moment, I am nowhere near seeing this. We are slouching, or perhaps lurching, our ways to Gemmorah. We are destroyed, but most of us simply do not yet see it because their standards are so low. They look about themselves and assess the dreg they call their lives as something worth living. I pity and despise them all as they are wholly unworthy of the freedom that was bestowed upon them, part and parcel with their very lives and not some arbitrarily defined set of privileges loaned them by deign of the tyrant.

    I am well willing to be convinced otherwise, but the dance will have to be quite extraordinary.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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    There are many independent nations smaller than the land mass of Rhode Island or Delaware. And, yet, I wonder, Osan, if given the opportunity without conflict, to hold that state free and clear, if we, those of like minds, could even populate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    There are many independent nations smaller than the land mass of Rhode Island or Delaware. And, yet, I wonder, Osan, if given the opportunity without conflict, to hold that state free and clear, if we, those of like minds, could even populate it.
    That's the $64 question and I'm not confident we could.

    People like to talk. What they don't like very much is to do, especially if it involves risk. Hence, the world.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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  21. #18
    Everyone blames all the rotten people corrupting the society but I blame all the good people doing nothing about it including myself
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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  22. #19
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    As with voluntaryists, agorists typically oppose electoral voting and political reform and instead they stress the importance of alternative strategies outside political systems to achieve a free society. Agorists claim that such a society could be freed more readily by employing methods such as education, direct action, alternative currencies, entrepreneurship, self sufficiency, civil disobedience and counter-economics.

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    All of which I attempt to practice on a daily basis. Some of it even rubs off onto those around me ;-)
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    Everyone blames all the rotten people corrupting the society but I blame all the good people doing nothing about it including myself
    Thing is about it all is that I have always known people are mostly rotten and what they do will be too . So the easiest path is to just insulate yourself from it . This is what I did before I even realized I was done . On the positive side , my culture is still intact in my empire and anyone coming here to do harm knows they will meet certain death . So , I can live with it .
    Do something Danke

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    Everyone blames all the rotten people corrupting the society but I blame all the good people doing nothing about it including myself
    How good are we, really, that we do nothing? I'm not sure we're good at all.

    It is easy to be good when the being is easy. It is notably more difficult to be good when to be so entails risk and real danger.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    We are not on our way, as a people, a culture, a statistical glob, to destruction. We are already there - we most of us just do not yet realize it.

    I read and hear words of the "we need to X..." sort, whether from libertarians, antifa, socialists, or whatever other label you care to cough up. Those words are always vague in the sense that they say what must be done in the opinion of he who utters, yet never tell us how to do them, nor do they suggest in the least manner how we do them such that we do not end up in an equally horrible position in the aftermath, or worse.

    On the whole, we humans are utterly horrible creatures, our short but blood-soaked history a vulgar and frank testament to the truth of the assertion. There is little to recommend us, which may well be the reason we have not heard from other worlds. Who in their right minds would place into human hands the technologies that take objects between star systems? We cannot even handle our own means, much less those of more capable beings.

    Note how all the classical big-mouths of history have told us precisely how to "revolution", yet not a one has uttered so much as a single meaningful peep as to how to live with one another; how to structure ourselves in aftermath such that we do not become precisely that which we just killed off. It is all well and good to speak of "draining the swamp" and all it implies, but nobody is talking much about what to do after the gore has painted our streets and the walls of the capitols.

    Forgetting the rest of the world, we Americans are "slouching our ways to Gemmorah", as my little bro is fond of saying. At best, we have vague notions of proper human relations; of what it means to live in accord with our birthrights as free men, and here I am being generous to an ill-reasoned fault. In truth and in deeper detail, we have little clue as to what it means to be free. We do not, in fact, recognize actual freedom as such and when confronted with it even as a theory, most of us recoil in fear, horror, disgust, and openly hostile, dripping, raving hatred.

    We, the most of us, have neither the recognition of what life in accord with proper relations between men is, nor the inclination toward learning.

    Therefore, we are already destroyed. The only step that remains to us is to acknowledge and accept that this is the case. Because we will not change how we are in sufficient measure as a statistical whole, the only thing we can do is wait for the end, because that is where we are heading, "end" not necessarily meaning extinction of the genus, but certainly the end of any condition that anyone with sense would consider worth the living. The few with aspirations even the most meekly adventurous beyond the corridors our apparent future shall define for us, will be consumed as such temerity will one day soon meet with zero-tolerance.

    This is where we stand, and that is where we are going, all by our own choices; all because we chose false convenience and token fortune over that which is right and proper.

    Enjoy what you may, because I suspect things are only going to get worse as we lurch forward into a future that is very likely not worth the living. Even if a man like Trump turns out fulfilling his promise to us, what about the day he leaves office? Who and what will fill the vacuum? If he were the savior - the great drainer of the swamp, so what? Are we cut of a cloth to inherit the improved America? I say not. Why? Because we were and are not of the fabric to do this work ourselves. We pimped our responsibilities off onto the shoulder of a "leader", demurring so pathetically from being leaders ourselves. We deserve nothing of our freedoms - not a whit of it, but rather only the degradations of the slaves that we have become precisely because we are filthy little cowards, addicted to the aforementioned conveniences, cheap and tawdry.

    Yes, whoop it up while you can. Indulge yourselves in the pretty lies and bull$#@!, because it matters no whit - we are destroyed.
    #Collapsitarian : I've been precisely here for some time.... what's fun is when you actively work for and encourage such a destruction as a necessary step forward, neverminding the costs. Sort of a "League of Shadows must burn it all down" mentality...
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    D00d, that veil was lifted long years ago and the internet makes available endless sources of valid truth regarding the right ways by which to live among one's fellows. The Meaner not only ignores it all, he vehemently rejects it with the shrieking venom of the terrified. He would sooner see his mother sold into a nunnery than so much as think about proper human relations as must certainly differ from his corrupted version of same. So long as he is allowed to put his inadequate pecker where he pleases, consent be damned, and is praised for doing so, the rest of his inborn freedoms can rot for all he cares. I witness this truth every day.
    "The Meaner's" ignorance will eventually catch up with them. (I used to think that your "Themme" and "Theye" approach was useful, even revolutionary, but thinking like this for too long encourages collectivist tendencies.)

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    For several months in 2015 I was returned to the air at WTSQ in Charleston WV. The majority of the staff there are typical hard-left sorts and hated with venom anything that smacked of freedom beyond the narrow, timid, and paltry limits to which they had been broken and trained. When I described proper human freedom, I would nearly bet money I do not have that had some authority given Michael Early leave to shoot me dead on the spot and the gun with which to do it, he would have at least seriously considered pulling the trigger. He is a typical left-leaning degenerate who could not shut it about how he spent a decade as a heroin addict, thinking that this made him "edgy", when in fact it only made him out as a blithering idiot. But everyone else, beside a handful of us, praised him and... well, just wow... This is the stupidity that ranges freely from sea to shining sea and which is regarded as some sort of virtue.

    Most who work in "government" are nothing more than useful idiots and moral cowards who have not the sand nor fabric to refuse the felonious orders issued to them by their superiors. Remember Nürnberg, where "vee ver only follovink ohduz" failed to save the criminals from the gallows? Whatever happened to the moral courage that put nooses around those deserving necks? Today, a cop murders, claims he was following orders or was afeared, and he skates. The same may be said of many other agents of the Tyrant. Deep is the doodoo in which we find ourselves. We could get ourselves out in a matter of days or, at most, weeks. But no... we choose to rest idly in the face of murderous tyranny. That's on each and every one of us.
    Translated: "Violence will solve the problem!"

    What happens when Theye think the same thing about you? Your implicit calls to action violate natural law as much as any tyrant's, and could easily be interpreted as a threat. Thumping your chest only exacerbates the situation. (You sound like Bolton, Pompeo, and company attempting regime change: "It'll be quick, a matter of days or weeks at most!" We all know that plans never go so smoothly, and you ought to by now, too.)

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Proph View Post
    "The Meaner's" ignorance will eventually catch up with them.
    Perhaps, but thus far it has not. Besides, what do you mean by this, specifically? You would seem to imply that in so catching, the average boob will see the light of truth and come around to reason. I am yet to be convinced of this.

    (I used to think that your "Themme" and "Theye" approach was useful, even revolutionary, but thinking like this for too long encourages collectivist tendencies.)
    For too long? However long Theye exist as a functional monobloc tyrant, I would say that the notion remains valid.


    Translated: "Violence will solve the problem!"
    It very well might. Employing violence to rid oneself of a tyrant is not the problem. The challenge lies in not becoming the latest tyrant in the wake of victory. We're actually fairly good at killing off tyrants when we are of a mind to do so. What we suck at is managing afterward.

    What happens when Theye think the same thing about you?
    Depends on Theire nature. Lenin and Stalin murdered tens of millions, as did Mao and the rest of those communist swine.

    Your implicit calls to action violate natural law as much as any tyrant's
    ,

    I'm not calling anyone to action. If we as a statistical gestalt have no interest in our freedoms, who am I to shove them down everyones' throats?

    and could easily be interpreted as a threat.
    Only by those whose threat assessment skills leave far too much to be desired.

    Thumping your chest only exacerbates the situation. (You sound like Bolton, Pompeo, and company attempting regime change: "It'll be quick, a matter of days or weeks at most!" We all know that plans never go so smoothly, and you ought to by now, too.)
    You have read into my words that which is not there. If it were, I'd happily cop to it. I don't hide my positions on such matters.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    "It’s just interesting to note how constant government oppression can kill people’s fighting spirit." - Withur We




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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    It very well might. Employing violence to rid oneself of a tyrant is not the problem. The challenge lies in not becoming the latest tyrant in the wake of victory. We're actually fairly good at killing off tyrants when we are of a mind to do so. What we suck at is managing afterward.
    "We" had better figure that out before "we" go toppling tyrannic regimes, then. (Communicate to educate. Such cannot be managed.)

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Proph View Post
    "We" had better figure that out before "we" go toppling tyrannic regimes, then.
    Unfortunately, we are most often not afforded such luxuries of time to perfect ourselves prior of taking action. When such choices are forced upon people and immediacy rules the day, they either act with the necessary dispatch, or watch as the window of opportunity to preserve themselves closes.

    The human world is often rather messy.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Unfortunately, we are most often not afforded such luxuries of time to perfect ourselves prior of taking action. When such choices are forced upon people and immediacy rules the day, they either act with the necessary dispatch, or watch as the window of opportunity to preserve themselves closes.

    The human world is often rather messy.
    We have plenty of time to figure it out. There's no rush.

    If tyranny ever does happen, it's gonna be super far into the future.

    It's all sunshine and roses currently. Nope, no tyranny here. Everything is just hunky dory.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  32. #28
    I don't think you're ever gonna get around the need for leaders. I mean, jeez, look what happened to this place after Ron Paul retired. Whatever trivial differences we put aside to rally behind Ron have become full blown schisms.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I don't think you're ever gonna get around the need for leaders. I mean, jeez, look what happened to this place after Ron Paul retired. Whatever trivial differences we put aside to rally behind Ron have become full blown schisms.

    While I usually subscribe to "never say never", short of reset I don't think your position can be successfully dismantled.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

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