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  1. #91
    I am certainly more free than nearly all other domesticated males and I still hunt my food and forage for berries some too even while being an expert in more than one thing . It is good to be on top.
    Do something Danke



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You are no longer free and independent, but dependent on somebody else.
    Not to argue, but I would like to make the point that someone else might make a living doing things I either can’t or don’t want to do. Knowing the body fails at some point (rehabbing after knee replacement right now), I would rather have a good relationship with someone who can be trusted to do things well. When I am no longer able to do some things, I will have someone I trust and who will be loyal to me.

    My dad didn’t live long enough to show me a lot of basic DIY skills, as it happens, but I am much better at many things than he was.
    Do something Dodgers.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    A sign over my shop:

    "Loose women tightened here"
    I have one from the new orleans police dept warning of pickpockets and loose women .
    Do something Danke

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not at all.

    Look at Heinlein's quote again...many of those tasks he mentioned were intellectual or creative in nature and had nothing to do with sodding about in grease and dirt.

    And there is a difference between being able to do a project and whether you want to or not.

    Bottom line is this however:

    Every time you defer a critical task to somebody else, without even trying to learn about or do it yourself, you put yourself at the mercy of someone else.

    You are no longer free and independent, but dependent on somebody else.
    If you've never changed your child's $#@!ty diaper then how the hell can you create guilt by haranguing them in later years over the fact? What are you gonna say? "Do you know how many nanny's I had to fire before I found the right one?"
    One of the proudest moments in my life was when I was able to return that specific kindness. A few years ago my dad contracted the flu and my mom didn't call me for three days. By that time he was severely dehydrated weak as an infant. I immediately took him to E.R. Of course the first thing they did was pump liquids. And as a natural course, once re-hydration started, he shat himself in the bed. Well, I had the nurses leave and cleaned him up myself. He expressed his embarrassment and told me "Thank you." I told him I probably owed him a couple more since he changed my diapers. He said, "Well, hell, you're gonna be busy then. Because there were hundreds!" We had a good laugh. Lol.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    They also lived on a dollar a day and died at 30. Not for me.
    People saying our ancestors were old at 30 or 40 is a misunderstanding of what average life expectancy is. It's the median. It's saying a lot more infants and children died in the population, but it's not saying that you just kicked it when you turned 35.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    People saying our ancestors were old at 30 or 40 is a misunderstanding of what average life expectancy is. It's the median. It's saying a lot more infants and children died in the population, but it's not saying that you just kicked it when you turned 35.
    Yep. American Revolution soldiers....



    102 Years Old. Born in Newburyport, Massachusetts in November, 1764. Died February 19, 1867. Enlisted in July of 1780 in Hailstown, New Hampshire. Served in the Battle of Saratoga in which British General Burgoyne was defeated.



    101 Years Old. Born in Windham, Connecticut on September 10, 1762. Died July 30, 1864. Drafted into the Continental Army in 1778. Taken prisoner by the Tories a year later in Horseneck, Connecticut.



    105 Years Old. Oldest Survivor of the Revolutionary War. Born in Northbury, Connecticut on September 10, 1761. Died on May 20, 1866. Served in the Battle of Brandywine and later Yorktown when British General Cornwallis surrendered to the Continental Army, ending the War.

    Many more.....https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlya...men-revolution



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    ^^^^^^^^^^^And I'll bet every one of 'em tended his own $#@!......^^^^^^^^^^

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Yep. American Revolution soldiers....



    102 Years Old. Born in Newburyport, Massachusetts in November, 1764. Died February 19, 1867. Enlisted in July of 1780 in Hailstown, New Hampshire. Served in the Battle of Saratoga in which British General Burgoyne was defeated.



    101 Years Old. Born in Windham, Connecticut on September 10, 1762. Died July 30, 1864. Drafted into the Continental Army in 1778. Taken prisoner by the Tories a year later in Horseneck, Connecticut.



    105 Years Old. Oldest Survivor of the Revolutionary War. Born in Northbury, Connecticut on September 10, 1761. Died on May 20, 1866. Served in the Battle of Brandywine and later Yorktown when British General Cornwallis surrendered to the Continental Army, ending the War.

    Many more.....https://www.varsitytutors.com/earlya...men-revolution
    They helped found the nation and lived long enough to see Lincoln destroy it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^And I'll bet every one of 'em tended his own $#@!......^^^^^^^^^^


    Adam Link 104 Years Old. Born near Hagerstown, Maryland on November 14, 1760. Died on August 15, 1864. Served in the Militia of Pennsylvania on three separate tours of duty.

    At the end of the War Link married a distant relative of his. “After this event, being fond of change, he roamed about from place to place, living but a short time in each; and so spent the earlier part of his life. At the age of sixty, he walked from his home in Pennsylvania to Ohio, a distance of one hundred and forty-one miles, accomplishing it in three days, an average of forty-seven miles a day. When seventy years of age, he set about clearing a farm and remained for some time on it. Perpetuating the habits of his army frontier service, he paid no attention to his manner of eating, either in quantity, quality or time; and he was addicted to strong drink. He labored severely and constantly. Notwithstanding all, his health was good till near the very close of his life.”

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They helped found the nation and lived long enough to see Lincoln destroy it.
    Yes. I noticed this too.

  13. #101
    Is the question whether you *should* be able to do all these DIY things? Or whether you do?
    There are a lot of DIY things that I know how to do, have done and could do if I needed to, that I now outsource because I'd rather have it done quickly and right by a professional. I don't change my own oil any longer, I did for years, now its not worth the hassle; but if I was short on money I would do it again.

    I argue that you should be able to do many of the things talked about in this thread; but that doesn't mean you have to just because you can.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Is the question whether you *should* be able to do all these DIY things? Or whether you do?
    There are a lot of DIY things that I know how to do, have done and could do if I needed to, that I now outsource because I'd rather have it done quickly and right by a professional. I don't change my own oil any longer, I did for years, now its not worth the hassle; but if I was short on money I would do it again.

    I argue that you should be able to do many of the things talked about in this thread; but that doesn't mean you have to just because you can.
    I don't think it is like that at all. I used to change my own oil, but my neighbors tire store will do it for me for $15 if I supply the oil and filter. Considering the time, mess and subsequent trip out for oil disposal it simply makes sense.
    But, I recently needed to replace 30 ft. of privacy fencing. I could have paid someone to do it. But it was much more enjoyable having two friends over for frosty adult beverages and a BBQ and doing it myself.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Every time you defer a critical task to somebody else, without even trying to learn about or do it yourself, you put yourself at the mercy of someone else.

    You are no longer free and independent, but dependent on somebody else.
    That's one way to look. The other way to look at it is everyone is dependent. Nobody on the planet could reproduce a pencil on their own. I, Pencil answers that argument perfectly.



    Secondly, what you consider a critical task may differ from what I consider a critical task. To me an oil change is very unimportant. The cost savings in peanuts and probably is a net cost to DIYers. If someone has an interest in it. Cool. But for the average person it will add zero benefit to their life. In contrast, learning the basics of personal finance, I would consider a critical task. That is something where most people make needless errors on basic stuff where they don't need to pay someone that ends up costing them hugely over the course of a lifetime.

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That's one way to look. The other way to look at it is everyone is dependent. Nobody on the planet could reproduce a pencil on their own. I, Pencil answers that argument perfectly.



    Secondly, what you consider a critical task may differ from what I consider a critical task. To me an oil change is very unimportant. The cost savings in peanuts and probably is a net cost to DIYers. If someone has an interest in it. Cool. But for the average person it will add zero benefit to their life. In contrast, learning the basics of personal finance, I would consider a critical task. That is something where most people make needless errors on basic stuff where they don't need to pay someone that ends up costing them hugely over the course of a lifetime.
    Humans are capable of multi-tasking. Just because I DIY doesn't mean I don't do personal finance. It's good to be debt free. But, it didn't require me that I had to hire a personal financial specialist to accomplish this task.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That's one way to look. The other way to look at it is everyone is dependent. Nobody on the planet could reproduce a pencil on their own. I, Pencil answers that argument perfectly.



    Secondly, what you consider a critical task may differ from what I consider a critical task. To me an oil change is very unimportant. The cost savings in peanuts and probably is a net cost to DIYers. If someone has an interest in it. Cool. But for the average person it will add zero benefit to their life. In contrast, learning the basics of personal finance, I would consider a critical task. That is something where most people make needless errors on basic stuff where they don't need to pay someone that ends up costing them hugely over the course of a lifetime.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Krugminator2 again
    Sorry, comrade.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Humans are capable of multi-tasking. Just because I DIY doesn't mean I don't do personal finance. It's good to be debt free. But, it didn't require me that I had to hire a personal financial specialist to accomplish this task.
    Instead of using you as an example, do I think Ron Paul understands the basics of personal finance? No. His personal finances were public and they were a mess and have cost him millions of dollars. He had 100% of net worth in precious and miners, both of which have underperformed a broad basket of equities since the beginning of time.

    Super basic stuff like not buying actively managed mutual funds, investing in equities and sticking with them through good and bad times, maximizing employer matches, having an HSA and high deductible plan in the individual health market, having auto insurance with high deductibles etc are all things people do not do. They would be better served spending a couple of hours a week on that stuff than getting on a ladder cleaning leaves out of their gutter. But that is my personal preference. Other people might think DIY ripping apart their shower is a more important life skill.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 06-08-2019 at 08:32 PM.

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That's one way to look. The other way to look at it is everyone is dependent. Nobody on the planet could reproduce a pencil on their own. I, Pencil answers that argument perfectly.
    I don't need a perfectly formed, mass produced, factory quality pencil to write with.

    A feather quill or a sharp stick, charred in the fire, will do the job just as well.

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I don't need a perfectly formed, mass produced, factory quality pencil to write with.

    A feather quill or a sharp stick, charred in the fire, will do the job just as well.
    I don't think you are arguing against the division of labor and how it creates technologies that enhance peoples lives, just that people become dumber when they only do what they specialize in right? I think learning and doing a multitude of activites enhances pathways in your brain.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I don't think you are arguing against the division of labor and how it creates technologies that enhance peoples lives, just that people become dumber when they only do what they specialize in right? I think learning and doing a multitude of activites enhances pathways in your brain.
    I think that logic is pretty bullet proof.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I don't need a perfectly formed, mass produced, factory quality pencil to write with.

    A feather quill or a sharp stick, charred in the fire, will do the job just as well.
    The point of "I, Pencil" applies to any (seemingly) simple manufactured durable good you have and rely on daily. It could be a pocket knife, a screwdriver, whatever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I don't think you are arguing against the division of labor and how it creates technologies that enhance peoples lives, just that people become dumber when they only do what they specialize in right? I think learning and doing a multitude of activites enhances pathways in your brain.
    Yes, that is correct.

  25. #112
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    The point of "I, Pencil" applies to any (seemingly) simple manufactured durable good you have and rely on daily. It could be a pocket knife, a screwdriver, whatever.
    Sure.

    But any of those simple objects or tools could be made on your own, or a substitute fashioned.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sure.

    But any of those simple objects or tools could be made on your own, or a substitute fashioned.
    Even the pocket knife:

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even the pocket knife:

    Those are good when fighting savage Injuns.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Those are good when fighting savage Injuns.
    The Skrælings never had anything like it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Skrælings never had anything like it.
    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #120
    Hasn't there also been complaints about younger people not settling down or putting it off? Does that mean more of them are Renters and if so, there would be much less expectation of doing repairs instead of calling the building maintenance guy.

    I rented a nice historical apartment last year. I would plunge the toilet myself or change a bulb, but I called the building repairman when plumbing issues with my kitchen came up.

    Now I'm a GenXer working as a truck driver, so I really don't have a normal permanent residence. Relatives let my mail collect at their place and I use their address for my license. I also see people from all generations come out here to try trucking which is a really difficult job.

    Just today I had to wait a little bit as a young trainee was setting up to back into a dock. Along with that, do we turn wrenches or do handyman type stuff? I replaced one of my lightbulbs, but I don't have the resources to do serious work and I wouldn't be expected to on a company truck.

    One time for another company, I was pulling a Refrigerated trailer and the cooling unit failed to restart. I did happen to have jumper cables so I jumped the trailer back to life with my truck batteries and saved thousands of pounds of SaraLee products.

    Aside from all that, perhaps Millenials don't see a financial reward in that kind of manual labor. I do think many GenXers who got into computer gaming incidentally learned about computers in general just from upgrades or game modding, even if just downloading Wad files for Quake. I think Millenials do pickup incidental skill from using apps or other mobile features. In some cases, they might even be curious enough to learn Java or Swift to code apps and make money.



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