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    ID scanners at bars are saving your data and allowing it to be shared among bar owners

    We’ve all seen it, and some of us have lived it: A bar patron mouths off to a bouncer, tags a wall, gets in a fight, or is just too drunk and disorderly. They’re not just kicked out for the night, but “eighty-sixed” — permanently banned from the establishment.Now imagine if a bar owner could flag that ejected patron digitally, documenting their transgression for other bar owners to see and placing them on a nightlife equivalent of a no fly list that stretches across city, state, and even international borders.
    PatronScan allows bars to do just that. The PatronScan kiosk, placed at the entrance of a bar or nightlife establishment, can verify whether an ID is real or fake, and collect and track basic customer demographic data. For bars, accurate ID scanners are valuable tools that help weed out underage drinkers, protecting the establishments’ liquor licenses from fines and scrupulous state alcohol boards. But PatronScan’s main selling point is security.
    The system allows a business to maintain a record of bad customer behavior and flag those individuals, alerting every other bar that uses PatronScan. What constitutes “bad behavior” is at a bar manager’s discretion, and ranges from “sexual assault” to “violence” to “public drunkenness” and “other.” When a bargoer visits another PatronScan bar and swipes their ID, their previously flagged transgressions will pop up on the kiosk screen. Unless patrons successfully appeal their status to PatronScan or the bar directly, their status can follow them for anywhere from a couple weeks to a few months, to much, much longer. According to a PatronScan “Public Safety Report” from May 2018, the average length of bans handed out to customers in Sacramento, California was 19 years. (The company’s “Public Safety Report” is embedded in full below.)


    The same report indicates that PatronScan collected and retained information on over 10,000 patrons in Sacramento in a single day. Within a five month period, that added up to information on over 500,000 bargoers. PatronScan claims to have a networked list of more than 40,000 banned customers, many of whom may not even know about their eighty-sixed status until they try to gain entry into another bar covered by the system.
    To some onlookers, PatronScan’s product raises a number of concerns about privacy, surveillance, and discrimination. PatronScan’s reports reveal the company logged where customers live, the household demographics for that area, how far each customer travelled to a bar, and how many different bars they had visited. According to the company’s own policies, the company readily shares the information it collects on patrons, both banned and not, at the request of police. In addition to selling its kiosks to individual bars and nightlife establishments, PatronScan also advertises directly to cities, suggesting that they mandate the adoption of their service.

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    Good. Punching people is super illegal and should never be tolerated, and especially not in a bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Good. Punching people is super illegal and should never be tolerated, and especially not in a bar.
    No wonder kids get in so much trouble today....

    Bar fights used to be a pressure release valve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    No wonder kids get in so much trouble today....

    Bar fights used to be a pressure release valve.
    TV and movies try to make bar fights look cool & fun.

    But what they don't show is the mountain of paperwork the over-worked Officers have to fill out to file all the resulting charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    TV and movies try to make bar fights look cool & fun.

    But what they don't show is the mountain of paperwork the over-worked Officers have to fill out to file all the resulting charges.
    Or the actual costs to the bar owner. Lot of Broken Window Fallacy. Kind of like movies portray all Cowboys as Gunslingers, and there was a shootout in front of every small saloon every day at high noon. Too many people are unable to recognize a fictional embellished version of history done in a dramatic effect as being Fiction. The real Wild West people had to worry about their cattle and livestock getting bit by rattlesnakes and / or coyotes and / or diseases and / or dying of thirst. Last thing they were most likely worried about was Cattle Rustlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We’ve all seen it, and some of us have lived it: A bar patron mouths off to a bouncer, tags a wall, gets in a fight, or is just too drunk and disorderly. They’re not just kicked out for the night, but “eighty-sixed” — permanently banned from the establishment.Now imagine if a bar owner could flag that ejected patron digitally, documenting their transgression for other bar owners to see and placing them on a nightlife equivalent of a no fly list that stretches across city, state, and even international borders.
    PatronScan allows bars to do just that. The PatronScan kiosk, placed at the entrance of a bar or nightlife establishment, can verify whether an ID is real or fake, and collect and track basic customer demographic data. For bars, accurate ID scanners are valuable tools that help weed out underage drinkers, protecting the establishments’ liquor licenses from fines and scrupulous state alcohol boards. But PatronScan’s main selling point is security.
    The system allows a business to maintain a record of bad customer behavior and flag those individuals, alerting every other bar that uses PatronScan. What constitutes “bad behavior” is at a bar manager’s discretion, and ranges from “sexual assault” to “violence” to “public drunkenness” and “other.” When a bargoer visits another PatronScan bar and swipes their ID, their previously flagged transgressions will pop up on the kiosk screen. Unless patrons successfully appeal their status to PatronScan or the bar directly, their status can follow them for anywhere from a couple weeks to a few months, to much, much longer. According to a PatronScan “Public Safety Report” from May 2018, the average length of bans handed out to customers in Sacramento, California was 19 years. (The company’s “Public Safety Report” is embedded in full below.)


    The same report indicates that PatronScan collected and retained information on over 10,000 patrons in Sacramento in a single day. Within a five month period, that added up to information on over 500,000 bargoers. PatronScan claims to have a networked list of more than 40,000 banned customers, many of whom may not even know about their eighty-sixed status until they try to gain entry into another bar covered by the system.
    To some onlookers, PatronScan’s product raises a number of concerns about privacy, surveillance, and discrimination. PatronScan’s reports reveal the company logged where customers live, the household demographics for that area, how far each customer travelled to a bar, and how many different bars they had visited. According to the company’s own policies, the company readily shares the information it collects on patrons, both banned and not, at the request of police. In addition to selling its kiosks to individual bars and nightlife establishments, PatronScan also advertises directly to cities, suggesting that they mandate the adoption of their service.

    More at: https://onezero.medium.com/id-at-the...s-7c6d4b236fc3
    Good thing I don't drink in Sacramento. I don't remember the last time a bar carded me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    TV and movies try to make bar fights look cool & fun.

    But what they don't show is the mountain of paperwork the over-worked Officers have to fill out to file all the resulting charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Good thing I don't drink in Sacramento. I don't remember the last time a bar carded me.
    If it is sacramento they must just be keeping a data base of gays and democrats .
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If it is sacramento they must just be keeping a data base of gays and democrats .
    Are there any others left in Cali?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    As is regularly pointed out on this forum, Trump is an idiot, a liar, and regularly uses bloated exaggeration so why would anyone put much stock into what he says? I think it's easy to figure Trump out. Sorry you are still confused.
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    So who might be willing to pay for access to this kind of data? Employers? Insurance companies? Anyone who can use "going to the bar" as an excuse to either take money from a person, or deny opportunity to current monies coming in? Who else? Who else would pay for the ability to judge people and profit from access to this data?
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    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    So who might be willing to pay for access to this kind of data? Employers? Insurance companies? Anyone who can use "going to the bar" as an excuse to either take money from a person, or deny opportunity to current monies coming in? Who else? Who else would pay for the ability to judge people and profit from access to this data?
    Almost any data can be used by someone who wants to create a psychological profile of you so they can manipulate or destroy you.
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