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    Beverly Hills Makes a Novel Move Against Tobacco

    (NEWSER) – Beverly Hills has become the first US city to end most tobacco sales. The City Council on Tuesday unanimously voted to snuff out sales of cigarettes, cigars, e-cigarettes, and other tobacco products beginning in 2021. The ban covers sales at gas stations and pharmacies as well as convenience and grocery stores. However, it exempts hotels and three plush cigar lounges in the wealthy and glamorous Los Angeles suburb. The AP explains the hotel exemption was designed to accommodate tourists, who could have room service deliver their smokes—although they'd have to smoke them outside.


    Gas station owners opposed the measure, saying it unfairly targeted their businesses and might force employee layoffs. Public health advocates argued that the cost is higher in terms of health. The Los Angeles Times reports the city has long been extremely tough on tobacco: Smoking has been banned in restaurants since 1987, and doing so in apartment buildings and sidewalks is currently prohibited. The Times predicts "a wave of copycat laws in small municipalities around the country."


    https://www.newser.com/story/276114/...t-tobacco.html
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    I move to ban soy in Ca.

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    For thy sake, TOBACCO, I
    Would do any thing but die,
    And but seek to extend my days
    Long enough to sing thy praise.
    But, as she, who once hath been
    A king's consort, is a queen
    Ever after, nor will bate
    Any tittle of her state,
    Though a widow, or divorced,
    So I, from thy converse forced,
    The old name and style retain,
    A right Katherine of Spain;
    And a seat, too, 'mongst the joys
    Of the blest Tobacco Boys;
    Where, though I, by sour physician,
    Am debarr'd the full fruition
    Of thy favours, I may catch
    Some collateral sweets, and snatch
    Sidelong odours, that give life
    Like glances from a neighbour's wife;
    And still live in the by-places
    And the suburbs of thy graces;
    And in thy borders take delight,
    An unconquer'd Canaanite.
    From Farewell to Tobacco Charles Lamb
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Health is wealth. The cali govt is out there working over time to help out its citizens.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I move to ban soy in Ca.
    Or just ban CA itself...
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Or just ban CA itself...
    Isn't soy all that's holding the twig people together?

    Ca. might not be so bad without all the libs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Isn't soy all that's holding the twig people together?

    Ca. might not be so bad without all the libs..
    It would actually be a pretty nice place.
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    That is a lie.
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    Yet at the same time weed and mushrooms are being legalized.

    So, WTF?

    Why is one naturally occurring plant, that when smoked produces a euphoric sense of well being, being banned, while one that does pretty much the exact same thing is being legalized?

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    I'll answer my own question: gynocracy.

    Woemen have been bitching about smoking for centuries now.

    The Betrothed

    By: Rudyard Kipling

    Open the old cigar-box, get me a Cuba stout,
    For things are running crossways, and Maggie and I are out.

    We quarrelled about Havanas -- we fought o'er a good cheroot,
    And I knew she is exacting, and she says I am a brute.

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a space;
    In the soft blue veil of the vapour musing on Maggie's face.

    Maggie is pretty to look at -- Maggie's a loving lass,
    But the prettiest cheeks must wrinkle, the truest of loves must pass.

    There's peace in a Larranaga, there's calm in a Henry Clay;
    But the best cigar in an hour is finished and thrown away --

    Thrown away for another as perfect and ripe and brown --
    But I could not throw away Maggie for fear o' the talk o' the town!

    Maggie, my wife at fifty -- grey and dour and old --
    With never another Maggie to purchase for love or gold!

    And the light of Days that have Been the dark of the Days that Are,
    And Love's torch stinking and stale, like the butt of a dead cigar --

    The butt of a dead cigar you are bound to keep in your pocket --
    With never a new one to light tho' it's charred and black to the socket!

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a while.
    Here is a mild Manila -- there is a wifely smile.

    Which is the better portion -- bondage bought with a ring,
    Or a harem of dusky beauties, fifty tied in a string?

    Counsellors cunning and silent -- comforters true and tried,
    And never a one of the fifty to sneer at a rival bride?

    Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
    Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close,

    This will the fifty give me, asking nought in return,
    With only a Suttee's passion -- to do their duty and burn.

    This will the fifty give me. When they are spent and dead,
    Five times other fifties shall be my servants instead.

    The furrows of far-off Java, the isles of the Spanish Main,
    When they hear my harem is empty will send me my brides again.

    I will take no heed to their raiment, nor food for their mouths withal,
    So long as the gulls are nesting, so long as the showers fall.

    I will scent 'em with best vanilla, with tea will I temper their hides,
    And the Moor and the Mormon shall envy who read of the tale of my brides.

    For Maggie has written a letter to give me my choice between
    The wee little whimpering Love and the great god Nick o' Teen.

    And I have been servant of Love for barely a twelvemonth clear,
    But I have been Priest of Cabanas a matter of seven year;

    And the gloom of my bachelor days is flecked with the cheery light
    Of stumps that I burned to Friendship and Pleasure and Work and Fight.

    And I turn my eyes to the future that Maggie and I must prove,
    But the only light on the marshes is the Will-o'-the-Wisp of Love.

    Will it see me safe through my journey or leave me bogged in the mire?
    Since a puff of tobacco can cloud it, shall I follow the fitful fire?

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider anew --
    Old friends, and who is Maggie that I should abandon you?

    A million surplus Maggies are willing to bear the yoke;
    And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

    Light me another Cuba -- I hold to my first-sworn vows.
    If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yet at the same time weed and mushrooms are being legalized.

    So, WTF?

    Why is one naturally occurring plant, that when smoked produces a euphoric sense of well being, being banned, while one that does pretty much the exact same thing is being legalized?
    Because they're crazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    That makes little to no sense since weed and mushrooms are being legalized.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    That makes little to no sense since weed and mushrooms are being legalized.
    It makes perfect sense........

    Olde white men is suits-n-ties puff cigars and pipes full of evil plant matter...

    Young multicultural 'people' who are sensitive and caring consume enlightened plant matter and fungi.

    The 'war' isn't on the plants......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    It makes perfect sense........

    Olde white men is suits-n-ties puff cigars and pipes full of evil plant matter...

    Young multicultural 'people' who are sensitive and caring consume enlightened plant matter and fungi.

    The 'war' isn't on the plants......
    And there is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Isn't soy all that's holding the twig people together?

    Ca. might not be so bad without all the libs..
    Yeah, now the same idiots want to do the same thing to Texas... That is the trouble with morons, they do not learn from their mistakes and dont give two $#@!s if someone else has to suffer their consequences.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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    I would not stay there anyway .
    Do something Danke

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    I'm at a loss for a movie quote. The quote is something like "tobacco is a blessing of old/is blessed of old." And I'm pretty sure an old woman says it, but I cannot find what movie it's from. Anyone know?

    I thought it was Granny Hawkins in The Outlaw Josey Wales....but I rewatched her part and she didn't ever say it....maybe it's that other old lady later on...
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    Isn't the war on tobacco Injunphobic?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    What I find to be ironic is that Pot is now legal, and tobacco is on its way out the door? Can someone say Prohibition 2.0? Only thing they are doing is creating Tobacco Lords.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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