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    Anti-immigration Left Leader Set to Win Power in Denmark



    It’s not your father’s leftism — though it may be your great-grandfather’s. With the leftist Social Democrats poised to take power in today’s Danish election, it normally would be a time for the immigrationist/internationalist/multiculturalist types to celebrate. Not this time, however. Oh, the Social Democrats’ leader, Mette Frederiksen (shown), is a leftist.
    But she also takes a hard line on immigration — and on Muslim immigrants.
    It’s another sign that immigrationism — the irrational belief that immigration is always good, always necessary, must never be questioned, and must be the one constant in an ever-changing universe of policy — is on the wane in Western Europe.
    As the Irish Times reports, “Tacking left on welfare and right on immigration looks likely to pay off for Denmark’s Social Democrats, who are widely expected to return to power this week as voters desert the centre-right government and the far right.”

    “A poll this weekend predicted the centre-left party, led by Mette Frederiksen, will be the country’s largest with about 27 per cent of the national vote after the election on Wednesday [polls close at 2 pm EDT], while the ‘red bloc’ of left-leaning parties it leads is on course for more than 55 per cent,” the paper continues.
    As for the 41-year-old Frederiksen’s anti-immigrationism rhetoric, the Guardian tells us:
    “For me, it is becoming increasingly clear that the price of unregulated globalisation, mass immigration and the free movement of labour is paid for by the lower classes,” she said in a recent biography.
    Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson [sic] has embraced much of it.
    Under her leadership, the SD [Social Democrats] have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.
    But it is the government policies her party has supportedor failed to oppose which have been most alarming for her allies in the left-of-centre red bloc. The Social Democrats voted in favour of a law allowing jewellery to be stripped from refugees, and a burqa and niqab ban, and abstained rather than voted against a law on mandatory handshakes irrespective of religious sentiment at citizenship ceremonies, and a plan to house criminal asylum seekers on an island used for researching contagious animal diseases. In February, she backed what the DPP has branded a “paradigm shift” — a push to make repatriation, rather than integration, the goal of asylum policy.
    The last goal, do note, is actually what “asylum” was meant to be. The idea is that you grant the genuinely imperiled safe haven until the danger in their native land has passed; then they’re repatriated. It’s much as when, let’s say, you open your doors to an abused woman. Generally speaking, do you assume she’ll eventually return to her place once the abuser is gone? Or do you adopt her?
    In fact, the main reason the West has been “adopting” Third World migrants for ages now is that the globalist Left long ago discovered they’re reliable voters and can be used to break down national sovereignty. It’s not compassion but power that mainly drives today’s immigrationism.
    This is yet another reason why, more than once bitten and twice shy and wary, wise observers would wonder whether Frederiksen’s anti-immigrationist talk is heartfelt reality or merely rhetoric. That said, if she’s faking it, she certainly has gone almost all in.
    After all, she “has called Islam a barrier to integration, said some Muslims ‘do not respect the Danish judicial system’, that some Muslim women refuse to work for religious reasons, and that Muslim girls are subject to ‘massive social control,’” the Guardian reported in 2018. “She has also called for all Muslim schools in the country to be closed.”
    But whether she’s sincere or not, a leftist singing such a tune reflects a seismic European political shift. “Where are all the leaders?” is generally the wrong question, as I often say. A better one is “Where are all the followers” — and the followers have changed.
    Seeing the ravages of immigrationism — the burgeoning crime; the no-go zones; the ethnic and religious chauvinism; the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish attacks; the rape gangs; and, in general, how not everyone is assimilable — has soured people on the belief. Yet there’s more.
    When Hungary and Poland unabashedly rejected immigrationism, it helped start a trend. Italy and Austria soon after followed the lead, and this catalyzed an emotional change. It’s not so much that people began thinking explicitly, “If these European nations can resist immigration, why can’t we?” (though this no doubt occurred to some extent).
    It’s that, like it or not, people follow people more than ideas — more even, lamentably, than ideas that happen to be true. Humans are social beings, creatures of the flock, and thus are highly influenced by social pressure. Up until recently, all that pressure militated in favor of immigrationism. “You’re a bigot, a ‘racist,’ a xenophobe, and generally a bad person if you oppose immigration!” was the idea.
    That’s changing. The pseudo-elite dam of immigrationist illusion is breaking. It’s increasingly socially acceptable to oppose immigration and, in particular, the Third World variety. In fact, should Europe continue on this cultural trajectory, one day soon the immigrationists may be stigmatized via scorn, ostracism, and name-calling (“traitor” comes to mind).
    Speaking of which, branding patriotic Europeans opposed to immigration “far right,” as is the mainstream media’s wont, was always puerility or propaganda, mainly because there is no viable Western European “far right,” at least insofar as being traditional goes. I doubt there’s one prominent anti-immigrationism, Western European politician — whether it’s France’s Marine Le Pen, Holland’s Geert Wilders, or someone else — who isn’t by and large a secular statist. Why, anti-immigrationist Dutch leader Pim Fortuyn, assassinated in 2002 and often called “far right,” was an openly homosexual, socially liberal, former sociology professor who opposed Muslim migration because it threatened Holland’s liberal social model.
    In fact, Social Democrat Danish MP Peter Hummelgaard states that the anti-immigrationist stance is simply a return to his party’s roots. “We have become more aligned with many of the voters who we are made to represent, and who we became alienated from over the past 25 years,” the Guardian quotes him as saying.
    But it’s in reality a return to man’s roots. The historical norm is to keep unassimilable foreign elements out of your civilization, not invite them in. After all, many peoples have been overrun, subsumed, and even extinguished, such as the Ainus in Japan or the Formosan aborigines. But they never invited their cultural destruction via an organized immigration model, yelling all the while “Our strength lies in our diversity!”
    In the final analysis, Frederiksen and her Social Democrats may or may not mean a word they say, and their economic and social leftism is no healthy prescription. Nonetheless, European immigrationism does appear to be dying, and that is a cause for celebration, indeed.


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    There's nothing surprising about a union of leftism and nationalism.

    They've always been bosom buddies.

    Only historically illiterate Trump/Farage/etc supporters are convinced that "globalism" is a leftist proposition.

    Not only the obvious candidates (Hitler and Mussolini), but virtually all socialists (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc) joined the two abominations.

    Classical liberalism declined exactly as the nationalists/socialists made progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's nothing surprising about a union of leftism and nationalism.

    They've always been bosom buddies.

    Only historically illiterate Trump/Farage/etc supporters are convinced that "globalism" is a leftist proposition.

    Not only the obvious candidates (Hitler and Mussolini), but virtually all socialists (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc) joined the two abominations.

    Classical liberalism declined exactly as the nationalists/socialists made progress.
    Conservatism has always been nationalist and leftists have always sought world wide dominion.
    Nationalism is as old as the hills and globalism too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Conservatism has always been nationalist and leftists have always sought world wide dominion.
    Nationalism as we know it began with the French revolution; it promptly embroiled Europe in 20 years of war.

    Nationalism is as old as the hills and globalism too.
    People not caring much about who lives over the horizon is natural and as old as the hills.

    People forming revolutionary political groups based on national identity is a product of the French revolution.

    The whole 19th century in Europe was discolored by the unholy union between nationalism and socialism, begun in Paris.

    Go read something about the revolutions of 1848, for example - these ideologies were twins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Nationalism as we know it began with the French revolution; it promptly embroiled Europe in 20 years of war.



    People not caring much about who lives over the horizon is natural and as old as the hills.

    People forming revolutionary political groups based on national identity is a product of the French revolution.

    The whole 19th century in Europe was discolored by the unholy union between nationalism and socialism, begun in Paris.

    Go read something about the revolutions of 1848, for example - these ideologies were twins.
    That's nonsense, people have been fighting for their tribe and/or kingdom since before there were written records.

    Cultural identity and shared values are important to humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's nonsense, people have been fighting for their tribe and/or kingdom since before there were written records.

    Cultural identity and shared values are important to humans.
    I'll just repeat; nationalism is a modern invention, originating with the French revolution.

    People preferring their neighbors to more distant people is universal and ancient, but nationalism is new - and tied directly to socialism.

    I know this disturbs your world-view, but it's in fact true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'll just repeat; nationalism is a modern invention, originating with the French revolution.

    People preferring their neighbors to more distant people is universal and ancient, but nationalism is new - and tied directly to socialism.

    I know this disturbs your world-view, but it's in fact true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'll just repeat; nationalism is a modern invention, originating with the French revolution.

    People preferring their neighbors to more distant people is universal and ancient, but nationalism is new - and tied directly to socialism.

    I know this disturbs your world-view, but it's in fact true.
    That would come as news to the Greeks at Marathon, Thermopylae and Salamis.

    There are plenty of other examples as well, you want to cast Nationalism as some horrible mutation so you want it to be new and modern but it isn't true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's nothing surprising about a union of leftism and nationalism.

    They've always been bosom buddies.

    Only historically illiterate Trump/Farage/etc supporters are convinced that "globalism" is a leftist proposition.

    Not only the obvious candidates (Hitler and Mussolini), but virtually all socialists (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc) joined the two abominations.

    Classical liberalism declined exactly as the nationalists/socialists made progress.
    Conveniently ignoring perhaps the single biggest globalist influence in the US, Trotsky. US communists and neoconservatives alike owe their dedication to globalism to Trotsky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Marx, Lenin, Trotsky. Global Revolution3.0 somehow missed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Marx, Lenin, Trotsky. Global Revolution3.0 somehow missed them.
    I am quite surprised by the confidence level projected by some members of the site. As if nonsense could become valid if pronounced at high volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That would come as news to the Greeks at Marathon, Thermopylae and Salamis.
    The ancient Greeks didn't have much national feeling; they identified first and foremost as Athenians, Thebans, Spartans, etc - not Greeks.

    The alliance against Persia was a practical necessity, not a result of nationalism in the modern sense.

    A few specific examples:
    -within a few generations, the Greeks who had fought together were fighting each other to the death - half in alliance with Persia
    -the Persians routinely employed Greek mercenaries, and these men were not ostracized when they returned home (Xenophon)
    -Greece never united voluntarily; it was only united when a certain Macedonian fellow down and united it by force

    Greek nationalism is very much a product of the 19th century.

    ...much of it imported from abroad, from the Romantics (Byron), oddly enough.

    There are plenty of other examples as well
    If you say so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The ancient Greeks didn't have much national feeling; they identified first and foremost as Athenians, Thebans, Spartans, etc - not Greeks.

    The alliance against Persia was a practical necessity, not a result of nationalism in the modern sense.

    A few specific examples:
    -within a few generations, the Greeks who had fought together were fighting each other to the death - half in alliance with Persia
    -the Persians routinely employed Greek mercenaries, and these men were not ostracized when they returned home (Xenophon)
    -Greece never united voluntarily; it was only united when a certain Macedonian fellow down and united it by force

    Greek nationalism is very much a product of the 19th century.

    ...much of it imported from abroad, from the Romantics (Byron), oddly enough.
    So you are saying that the Greeks were even more particularist than I was?
    I don't see how that is supposed to help your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So you are saying that the Greeks were even more particularist than I was?
    I don't see how that is supposed to help your case.
    No, I'm saying that nationalism was alien to the Greeks, for reasons explained.

    That Athenians didn't want to be conquered by the Spartans doesn't mean that the Athenians were motivated by nationalism.

    There are other potential motivations you know.
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    In the Danish Elections, Mette Fredriksen won mostly for her social programs- not immigration. The right wing anti- immigration party lost most of the seats they had.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20190607/hig...ish-parliament

    High-profile anti-immigration spokesperson loses seat in Danish parliament


    Martin Henriksen, the Danish People’s Party’s (DF) spokesperson on immigration, has lost his seat in parliament after the party’s crushing election defeat.

    Henriksen ran in the Copenhagen greater municipality (storkreds), where DF was reduced from two seats to one, in an election which saw its national vote share slashed from 21 percent to 8.7 percent.

    With fewer personal votes than parliamentary group leader Peter Skaarup, Henriksen was only second in line for a seat in the region, and therefore finds himself outside the Christiansborg legislature.

    The loss of seat for Henriksen was confirmed on Thursday as votes received individually by candidates were reconciled with seats allocated to the ten parliamentary parties through Denmark’s system of proportional representation.

    Henriksen, 39, who was first election to parliament in 2005, has emerged as a leading hardline voice on immigration and has maintained a consistently hostile position regarding foreign residents in Denmark.
    The Danish People’s Party lost 21 of its 37 seats in the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No, I'm saying that nationalism was alien to the Greeks, for reasons explained.

    That Athenians didn't want to be conquered by the Spartans doesn't mean that the Athenians were motivated by nationalism.

    There are other potential motivations you know.
    They were most certainly motivated by nationalism, that's why they created the Athenian empire and attempted to dominate all of Greece and even its far flung colonies.
    Sparta was even more nationalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They were most certainly motivated by nationalism, that's why they created the Athenian empire and attempted to dominate all of Greece and even its far flung colonies.
    Sparta was even more nationalist.
    You're defining nationalism to include any state which doesn't want to be conquered by another, or which wants to conquer others.

    You can do that, if you want, but it makes your argument meaningless.

    My point is that the "nationalism" of the Greeks (or anyone else pre-Revolution) has precious little to do with modern nationalism.

    ...which is a product of mass democracy.

    As I said above, the root of nationalism is the inherent provincialism/tribalism of the masses.

    But this didn't become a political force until the masses were politically empowered.

    It's the same with socialism: founded in the inherent egalitarianism of the masses, which was politically moot pre-democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You're defining nationalism to include any state which doesn't want to be conquered by another, or which wants to conquer others.

    You can do that, if you want, but it makes your argument meaningless.

    My point is that the "nationalism" of the Greeks (or anyone else pre-Revolution) has precious little to do with modern nationalism.

    ...which is a product of mass democracy.
    Any country that wants independence and self determination is "nationalist", if you are using a different definition then you are simply incorrect when you apply the term (using your definition) to various people and nations that you apply it too.

    The greeks absolutely saw themselves as a people apart from other peoples and desired independence and self determination whether they were willing to divide further into city states and even ally with foreigners or not.

    Southerners in the "War between the states" era absolutely saw themselves as Americans and sought independence and self determination yet they sought European allies against the Union, there is nothing different about that than the situation with ancient greece, the south even placed greater emphasis on individual states than on the Union or the Confederacy.

    Please define the differences between my definition of nationalism and yours so that I can debate whether any given person, nation or group fits your definition.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 06-11-2019 at 08:02 PM.
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    @Swordsmyth

    Meh, I have nothing more to say.
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