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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Two world wars did not turn London into Londonstan, did not turn Paris into Algeria North, did not create "no go" zones in Sweden.
    They did kill ~100 million people...

    Less than two generations of white displacement at the hands of the EU government and it's mob of one worlder anti racists did.
    Do you think that's worse than killing 100 million people?

    ...and, P.S., most of the immigration that turned London into a "stan" was from the former Empire and has nothing to do with the EU.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I see you're drinking deeply of the socialist propaganda...

    The main problem with the EU today is that Germany and the other relatively fiscally responsible states don't crack down enough on the PIGS.

    Your beloved nationalists in Rome simply want to print money (to buy votes, of course).

    The Germans (and Dutch, etc) want them not to, but don't protest loudly enough.
    No European country is sane about socialism but Germany manipulated the transition to the Euro to give it a systemic unfair advantage over the other member states among many other ways that it manipulates EU policy to its advantage.

    The EU is the 4th Reich and the 3rd Reich even planned something mysteriously like it near the end of WWII as a fallback plan.

    The EU is a ghastly mess and even if you were completely right about the other countries being entirely to blame that just shows how unworkable the EU is and that it is guaranteed to collapse and cause a huge war.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They did kill ~100 million people...



    Do you think that's worse than killing 100 million people?
    It will end up killing more, far more.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They did kill ~100 million people...

    Do you think that's worse than killing 100 million people?

    ...and, P.S., most of the immigration that turned London into a "stan" was from the former Empire and has nothing to do with the EU.
    I can very easily make the case that the causes behind those wars were fuzzy headed one world European Unity schemes.

    Why not argue the point from your point of view: Europe needs a unifying King, as people are too stupid and violent to exercise self determination for their nation and similar ethnic peoples?

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post

    ...and, P.S., most of the immigration that turned London into a "stan" was from the former Empire and has nothing to do with the EU.
    That doesn't hold for the rest of Europe.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That doesn't hold for the rest of Europe.
    It doesn't hold true for Londonstan either.

    IIRC and I'll admit I'll have to dig for this, but I recall reading years ago that the EU mandated "unlimited" migration from the former colonies of England, France, Spain, Portugal and Germany.

    Also, IIRC, all those countries except the UK told Brussels to pound sand.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No European country is sane about socialism but Germany manipulated the transition to the Euro to give it a systemic unfair advantage over the other member states among many other ways that it manipulates EU policy to its advantage.
    Actually, France forced Germany into the euro as a condition of allowing the re-unification of Germany.

    The Germans were quite happy with the Deutschmark; they, of all European peoples, are least inclined to inflation, for historical reasons (Weimar).

    The French, who were constantly inflating prior to the euro, hated the Deutschmark, since it made the franc look bad.

    The EU is the 4th Reich and the 3rd Reich even planned something mysteriously like it near the end of WWII as a fallback plan.
    LOL, it's a flawed monetary system (much like ours), but for reasons almost opposite to those you posit.

    The EU is a ghastly mess and even if you were completely right about the other countries being entirely to blame that just shows how unworkable the EU is and that it is guaranteed to collapse and cause a huge war.
    The only thing that will cause the EU to collapse is the rise of the nationalism you cheer.

    Then, indeed, there might well be a huge war.

    ...I'd rather like to avoid that (your mileage may vary)

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I can very easily make the case that the causes behind those wars were fuzzy headed one world European Unity schemes.
    But that would be nonsense...

    Both wars resulted from rivalries between the major powers, not from some secret cabal of all of them trying to create a European super-state.

    ...and too bad the Germans didn't win the first war; this problem would be solved (bonus: no bolsheviks or NAZIs).

    Why not argue the point from your point of view: Europe needs a unifying King, as people are too stupid and violent to exercise self determination for their nation and similar ethnic peoples?
    I have, many many times (though it isn't about stupidity, rather self-interest: human nature).

    Charles V would also have solved the problem, had things gone somewhat differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That doesn't hold for the rest of Europe.
    It holds for France (North Africa, West Africa, Indochina).
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Actually, France forced Germany into the euro as a condition of allowing the re-unification of Germany.

    The Germans were quite happy with the Deutschmark; they, of all European peoples, are least inclined to inflation, for historical reasons (Weimar).

    The French, who were constantly inflating prior to the euro, hated the Deutschmark, since it made the franc look bad.
    France is the other country that somewhat benefits from the EU and whether or not the forced Germany to agree to the EU Germany manipulated the transition to their advantage.


    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    LOL, it's a flawed monetary system (much like ours), but for reasons almost opposite to those you posit.
    It is much more than that, it is a vehicle for the stealth conquest of Europe.


    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The only thing that will cause the EU to collapse is the rise of the nationalism you cheer.

    Then, indeed, there might well be a huge war.

    ...I'd rather like to avoid that (your mileage may vary)
    The EU was guaranteed to cause a nationalist backlash that would result in a war where peaceful independence and even a looser association would not have.
    The longer the EU goes on the more sure the war is and the bigger it will be, any country that gets out early may be able to avoid being involved and will be much better off even if it is dragged into the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    But that would be nonsense...

    Both wars resulted from rivalries between the major powers, not from some secret cabal of all of them trying to create a European super-state.
    And that will be the exact cause of the next war plus a secret cabal trying to create a European super-state, the EU exacerbates the rivalries between nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...and too bad the Germans didn't win the first war; this problem would be solved (bonus: no bolsheviks or NAZIs).
    Yes, that is correct but the globalists had other ideas and they will be the cause of the next war too.


    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I have, many many times (though it isn't about stupidity, rather self-interest: human nature).

    Charles V would also have solved the problem, had things gone somewhat differently.
    That is exactly what cause most European wars, the insane attempts to recreate the oppressive Roman empire and the struggle to determine who would get to rule it.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    It holds for France (North Africa, West Africa, Indochina).
    Maybe or maybe not (the same goes for the UK), but the EU is forcing it on all the other countries that would not have done it to themselves and forcing countries like France to keep and expand the policy even if they begin to have second thoughts.

    The EU will cause the destruction of European culture if it isn't stopped and it will cause death on a massive scale that will get worse the longer it exists.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Was it an NYT taken photo trying to make MAGA look like a beta male with a belly?
    Media was warned not to publish unflattering photos but old habits die hard.

    Trump To NYT Photographer: Your Photo Makes It Look Like I Have ‘Double Chin’!

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    UKUS Celebrating D-Day

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    bus shelters in Portsmouth, near where Trump is due to attend the D-Day service

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  15. #42
    @Swordsmyth

    You know that the EU only regulates immigration between member states, right?

    If Britain allows Indians/Nigerians to come to Britain, or France allows Algerians/Vietnamese to come to France, this has nothing to do with the EU.

    ...not that such immigration is a problem, but, even if you think it is, it isn't an EU problem.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    @Swordsmyth

    You know that the EU only regulates immigration between member states, right?

    If Britain allows Indians/Nigerians to come to Britain, or France allows Algerians/Vietnamese to come to France, this has nothing to do with the EU.

    ...not that such immigration is a problem, but, even if you think it is, it isn't an EU problem.
    That isn't entirely accurate but even if we take your statement at face value the EU is attempting to force all of the member states to allow the barbarians who enter the foolish states to then enter the states that don't want them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That isn't entirely accurate
    How so? Can you show me the EU law/regulation which requires member states to allow in immigrants from outside the EU?

    the EU is attempting to force all of the member states to allow the barbarians who enter the foolish states to then enter the states that don't want them.
    A core principle of the EU is freedom of movement.

    This is a relic of the classical liberals who started the project for European integration, such as Otto von Habsburg.

    Anyway, pretty much all of the problems about which the nationalists complain (Londonstan, Paristan, Brusselstan, etc) have nothing to do with this. Those non-European populations arrived long before the recent immigrant crisis. In many cases, the bulk of the non-European populations in Europe were actively courted as laborers, for the reason that the last war killed millions. For example, the only reason there are so many Turks in Germany is that idiot-nationalism killed a couple dozen millions Germans and left the factories empty.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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