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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So you think we should be fighting for h omo rights around the world?
    No.

    But if Trump makes a diplomatic push for decriminalization I'm not going to have a stroke about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No.

    But if Trump makes a diplomatic push for decriminalization I'm not going to have a stroke about it.
    Do you support this?
    At this point, not clear how much role if any Trump team or Trump Jr played in this outcome:

    Devout Christian Israel Folau fired by Rugby Australia for posting 'a passage from the bible'
    Israel Folau’s status as the unrivaled star of Australian rugby wasn’t enough to save his job in the wake of a social media post that condemned gay people and other so-called sinners to eternal damnation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    At this point, not clear howmuch role if any Trump team or Trump Jr played in this outcome:

    Devout Christian Israel Folau fired by Rugby Australia for posting 'a passage from the bible'


    Israel Folau’s status as the unrivaled star of Australian rugby wasn’t enough to save his job in the wake of a social media post that condemned gay people and other so-called sinners to eternal damnation.


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    Fake News, there is no connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Fake News, there is no connection.
    There is a Biblical connection for sure as the pre-election photo with 'Holy Bible' shows.

    Both Isreal Flauo and Trump could be devout Christians too possibly.

    But it is not clear yet what role if if any Trump's global pro-LGBTQ campiagn is playing in recent developments in countries around the globe.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    There is a Biblical connection for sure as the pre-election photo with 'Holy Bible' shows.

    Both Isreal Flauo and Trump could be devout Christians too possibly.

    But it is not clear yet what role if if any Trump's global pro-LGBTQ campiagn is playing in recent developments in countries around the globe.
    Trump's supposed decriminalization campaign has nothing to do with a private citizen being fired for expressing religious beliefs that have nothing to do with criminalization.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump's supposed decriminalization campaign has nothing to do with a private citizen being fired for expressing religious beliefs that have nothing to do with criminalization.
    Unless you are directly involved with Trump's global pro-LGBT campaign, how could you possibly know for sure what role his administration is playing in LGBT rights related developments in countries around the globe?

    It is prefaced clearly that exact role if any is not clear at this point.

    His top funder Adelson supports LGBT righst in US and in other countries, it is quite plausible that Trump being the first GOP President to sell LGBT T-Shirts and launching pro-LGBT rights global campaign could be playing a role both at home and abroad by using sanctions, foreign aid, military aid, NGOs funding etc. as carrot/stick tools.


    Top Trump donor is pro-choice, self-described 'social liberal'
    LAS VEGAS – The most influential donor in the Republican Party is a self-described “social liberal” who supports abortion-on-demand and “cradle-to-grave” national health care.

    Meet the wealthy donor who's trying to get Republicans to support gay marriage
    washingtonpost
    Apr 4, 2014 - It especially fits with his role as one of the foremost backers of LGBT .... Like fellow Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, Singer is staunchly ...




    Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad


    Sep 22, 2016
    https://forward.com/news/israel/3504...with-gay-dads/

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Unless you are directly involved with Trump's global pro-LGBT campaign, how could you possibly know for sure what role his administration is playing in LGBT rights related developments in countries around the globe?

    It is prefaced clearly that exact role if any is not clear at this point.

    His top funder Adelson supports LGBT righst in US and in other countries, it is quite plausible that Trump being the first GOP President to sell LGBT T-Shirts and launching pro-LGBT rights global campaign could be playing a role both at home and abroad by using sanctions, foreign aid, military aid, NGOs funding etc. as carrot/stick tools.


    Top Trump donor is pro-choice, self-described 'social liberal'
    LAS VEGAS – The most influential donor in the Republican Party is a self-described “social liberal” who supports abortion-on-demand and “cradle-to-grave” national health care.

    Meet the wealthy donor who's trying to get Republicans to support gay marriage
    washingtonpost
    Apr 4, 2014 - It especially fits with his role as one of the foremost backers of LGBT .... Like fellow Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, Singer is staunchly ...




    Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad


    Sep 22, 2016
    https://forward.com/news/israel/3504...with-gay-dads/
    The burden of proof is yours, you can't just claim that Trump "might" be related to things with no connection to him and expect not to be called out for such cheap propaganda.
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    Meet the wealthy donor who's trying to get Republicans to support gay marriage
    washingtonpost
    Apr 4, 2014 - It especially fits with his role as one of the foremost backers of LGBT .... Like fellow Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, Singer is staunchly ...




    Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad
    Sep 22, 2016
    https://forward.com/news/israel/3504...with-gay-dads/


    Right tone by top leadership makes a big difference.
    In potentially-unrelated news:




  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just because something is immoral doesn't mean it should be outlawed by the government, libertarians and small government conservatives should see nothing wrong with getting the government out of the bedrooms of citizens.

    Marriage and violations of the marriage contract are different but even then government's role should be minimal.
    So libertarians and small government conservatives should support the United States dictating to other countries what kind of laws they should have? Mind you that it's still a felony in the U.S. in many states to have more than one wife. Abraham, Jacob, Reuben, David, Solomon, Samuel's parents and many other Bible heroes would be arrested under current U.S. law. If this was about "shrinking government" then shouldn't that start at home?
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Right tone by top leadership makes a big difference.
    In potentially-unrelated news:
    Is Trump selling this clothing line in children's sizes?

    If not, then it's unrelated.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is Trump selling this clothing line in children's sizes?

    If not, then it's unrelated.
    It could be indirectly related to his top donor's vision, 'follow the money' crowd might even see it as directly related.

    Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad
    Sep 22, 2016

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So libertarians and small government conservatives should support the United States dictating to other countries what kind of laws they should have? Mind you that it's still a felony in the U.S. in many states to have more than one wife. Abraham, Jacob, Reuben, David, Solomon, Samuel's parents and many other Bible heroes would be arrested under current U.S. law. If this was about "shrinking government" then shouldn't that start at home?
    Show me where any force is used against another country and I will scream my head off but as long as it is just talk to try and get other countries to be more libertarian about their citizens' bedroom activities I'm not going to worry.
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    This and some more gun control will guarantee that places like Texas and Arizona turn "blue".

    Nothing like some gun control and over the top pandering to the wierdosexuals to shore up a conservative voting base.

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.

    And we'll be better as opposition to the very worst sort of Bolshevik the idiot left wants to place in the position in 2020.

    $#@! them...bring it on.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This and some more gun control will guarantee that places like Texas and Arizona turn "blue".

    Nothing like some gun control and over the top pandering to the wierdosexuals to shore up a conservative voting base.

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.

    And we'll be better as opposition to the very worst sort of Bolshevik the idiot left wants to place in the position in 2020.

    $#@! them...bring it on.
    Take it easy.
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 06-14-2019 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    .

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.
    One more outburst like that and I'm gonna have to give you some time off. PMing donnay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This and some more gun control will guarantee that places like Texas and Arizona turn "blue".

    Nothing like some gun control and over the top pandering to the wierdosexuals to shore up a conservative voting base.

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.

    And we'll be better as opposition to the very worst sort of Bolshevik the idiot left wants to place in the position in 2020.

    $#@! them...bring it on.
    We would NOT be better off with Hitlery, we would be finished off for good.

    This is trivial and Trump has done much to oppose the weirdosexual agenda.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.
    Never thought I'd say this but tend to agree.

    In 2016, MAGA looked like a huge improvement over HRC but soon it became clear this was another circus show with puppets and puppet masters. Because he was being advertized as a 'genuine article', the impact would be more damaging.

    GW Bush burnt from Iraq war blunder would have been probably the best POTUS after 2008.

    Looking at his moody policies and spineless obedience at a time when there is massive opposition against neocons globalist inereventions everywhere, MAGA probably would have been worse than both Bush and Obama if he was in charge in 2000 or 2008.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This and some more gun control will guarantee that places like Texas and Arizona turn "blue".

    Nothing like some gun control and over the top pandering to the wierdosexuals to shore up a conservative voting base.

    I'm done with this knucklehead...we would have been better off with Hillary.

    And we'll be better as opposition to the very worst sort of Bolshevik the idiot left wants to place in the position in 2020.

    $#@! them...bring it on.
    That’s the Anti-Federalist I know!

    I’d never vote for any democrat. Ever. But the sad truth is, under hitlery the republicans would more than likely have both the congress and the senate, and the republican constituency would be pushing back all of the lib positions hitlery would be rambling on about instead of giving trump passes for the same.

    Obama did his fair share wrecking this country, just like Bush, but he was the greatest gun salesman this country ever had.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Show me where any force is used against another country and I will scream my head off but as long as it is just talk to try and get other countries to be more libertarian about their citizens' bedroom activities I'm not going to worry.
    So where do you stand on tshirts, do you support or oppose tshirts selling by MAGA, Target?

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So where do you stand on tshirts, do you support or oppose tshirts selling by MAGA, Target?
    I oppose both but they are not the same as eachother (one is targeting children) or the same as this.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I oppose both but they are not the same as eachother (one is targeting children) or the same as this.
    Most children cannot travel to the store on their own and have the funds to buy these things, without help from an adult or somebody making an income.

    It is values that have been lost and they use children to advance their agendas.

    Still, it is a choice to buy or not buy. Restricting that right would only lead to more restrictions, limits on the 1stA, etc. It is best not to tamper with the Free Market, or whatever is left of it these days.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Most children cannot travel to the store on their own and have the funds to buy these things, without help from an adult or somebody making an income.

    It is values that have been lost and they use children to advance their agendas.

    Still, it is a choice to buy or not buy. Restricting that right would only lead to more restrictions, limits on the 1stA, etc. It is best not to tamper with the Free Market, or whatever is left of it these days.
    Where did I say government should be involved?
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Where did I say government should be involved?
    Just a point of clarification, I took from the bold that you were implying Target the company. Companies should be free to sell, or not sell, whatever it wants and let the markets decide.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Just a point of clarification, I took from the bold that you were implying Target the company. Companies should be free to sell, or not sell, whatever it wants and let the markets decide.
    I was implying that the company known as Target was the one targeting children which is heinous.
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I was implying that the company known as Target was the one targeting children which is heinous.
    That’s what I thought. Then post #54 applies.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That’s what I thought. Then post #54 applies.
    I did not call for government intervention against them.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I oppose both but they are not the same as eachother (one is targeting children) or the same as this.
    Ok gotcha, so in your view MAGA's tshirts selling is bad and Target's worse.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Where did I say government should be involved?
    Might not be directly related to this tangent, but gov is involved though at various levels.


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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I’d never vote for any democrat. Ever. But the sad truth is, under hitlery the republicans would more than likely have both the congress and the senate, and the republican constituency would be pushing back all of the lib positions hitlery would be rambling on about instead of giving trump passes for the same.

    Obama did his fair share wrecking this country, just like Bush, but he was the greatest gun salesman this country ever had.
    More than likely would have retained liberty aligned GOP majorities in the NH House and Senate, would have continued the gains we've been making in NH...I would not represented by queeer communist in congress, "our" side would have been energized and outraged instead of confused, muddled and lacking direction because of the constant flailing about and lack of direction, focus and concentration on Trump's part, and gains in gun rights would have continued.

    Not worth it all for a couple of swamp dwelling SCROTUS appointments.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    More than likely would have retained liberty aligned GOP majorities in the NH House and Senate, would have continued the gains we've been making in NH...I would not represented by queeer communist in congress, "our" side would have been energized and outraged instead of confused, muddled and lacking direction because of the constant flailing about and lack of direction, focus and concentration on Trump's part, and gains in gun rights would have continued.

    Not worth it all for a couple of swamp dwelling SCROTUS appointments.
    The invasion would be even bigger and they would have amnesty and citizenship by now.
    We would have Garland on the court and the left would run wild while being rubber stamped.
    Look at all the things O'Bummer got away with and the RINOs not only didn't stop him but helped.
    We would be in multiple more shooting wars.
    You are seriously underestimating how destructive Hitlery would be.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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