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    Sen. Rand Paul: Violence Is 'Inherent to Socialism'

    Speaking to The Blaze’s Andrew Wilkow, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul (R) said that violence is “inherent to socialism.” The senator explained that he and his wife discuss this topic within their forthcoming book “The Case Against Socialism”

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/alexnitzberg/2019/05/28/sen-rand-paul-violence-is-inherent-to-socialism-n2546992



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    ...and america is a socialist country...

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    There are alot of pundits that are gonna point and say. "Oh Yah? What about Fascism".....and as they do, they will tie genocide and violence to the nature of capitalism and such. I see it all the time on left leaning sites. And there arguments aren't just weak platitudes. Hope his book addresses every facet of the argument and in good detail.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Oh Rand Paul at it again, sitting on his high horse and looking down on those sad people who choose socialism. He says violence is inherent in socialism but be rest assured, he is not talking about our socialism. He instead is mainly talking about socialism in the countries opposed to US invasion "cough cough" Venezuela "cough".

    The truth is that violence is inherent in statism, the majority makes the rule and if you oppose this majority, you will be locked up, kicked out or killed. Socialism, capitalism and all system u can think about under statism is built on a foundation of violence.

    Also Rand says that Bernie has dropped his policy of increasing taxing on millionaires now that he is a millionaire. This is not true, Bernie is still talking about increase in taxes for anyone making 250k or greater. One thing he did say that I totally agreed with is that he did not try to suggest that the Scandinavian system is not socialism. Instead he correctly says that everybody's taxes would be increase to even begin to get enough money to fund that kind of a system.



    Lastly, I like how he never mentions other tools responsible for the prosperity of the US system. Forgetting to mention the dollar reserve system enforced by force aka the US military. This is just as responsible for the high standard of living in this country as the so called capitalism. We have to forgive Rand, he is the one who still thinks the war in Syria is a civil war i.e. 1000 yr war between Shia and Sunni(EU, Israel, US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey).
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Oh Rand Paul at it again, sitting on his high horse and looking down on those sad people who choose socialism. He says violence is inherent in socialism but be rest assured, he is not talking about our socialism. He instead is mainly talking about socialism in the countries opposed to US invasion "cough cough" Venezuela "cough".

    The truth is that violence is inherent in statism, the majority makes the rule and if you oppose this majority, you will be locked up, kicked out or killed. Socialism, capitalism and all system u can think about under statism is built on a foundation of violence.

    Also Rand says that Bernie has dropped his policy of increasing taxing on millionaires now that he is a millionaire. This is not true, Bernie is still talking about increase in taxes for anyone making 250k or greater. One thing he did say that I totally agreed with is that he did not try to suggest that the Scandinavian system is not socialism. Instead he correctly says that everybody's taxes would be increase to even begin to get enough money to fund that kind of a system.



    Lastly, I like how he never mentions other tools responsible for the prosperity of the US system. Forgetting to mention the dollar reserve system enforced by force aka the US military. This is just as responsible for the high standard of living in this country as the so called capitalism. We have to forgive Rand, he is the one who still thinks the war in Syria is a civil war i.e. 1000 yr war between Shia and Sunni(EU, Israel, US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey).
    Makes sense... Force the productive at great personal hardship to water and fertilize a bunch of unproductive trees that will never fruit.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    Socialism is inherently bad because it removes any incentives for people to work hard and enivitably forces it on people. Elon Musk wouldn't of been able to create his company in any socialistic country and not because America would of invaded the country but because the country would of robbed him of all of his work and forced him to work and people are not creative when they have their souls sucked out of them.

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    Very true.

    And more generally, violence is inherent to the institution of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Oh Rand Paul at it again, sitting on his high horse and looking down on those sad people who choose socialism.
    The essence of socialism is that it must be imposed by force on those who do not choose it. To say that the ones forcing it on those people did choose it is no consolation to those who didn't. You might as well say that theft is not so bad, and as your proof point to how much support it has among thieves.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Lastly, I like how he never mentions other tools responsible for the prosperity of the US system. Forgetting to mention the dollar reserve system enforced by force aka the US military. This is just as responsible for the high standard of living in this country as the so called capitalism. We have to forgive Rand, he is the one who still thinks the war in Syria is a civil war i.e. 1000 yr war between Shia and Sunni(EU, Israel, US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey).
    The premise that America's world policing military makes the American people more prosperous is very tenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Very true.

    And more generally, violence is inherent to the institution of the state.
    The indoctrination part of it is neccesary they usually force people through a state like religion. Once the state owns everything then the power corrupts the people in control of the state. The people end up worshipping the state and it becomes the only means of keeping the system alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The premise that America's world policing military makes the American people more prosperous is very tenuous.
    It's actually the most anti Ron Paul statement I have seen on this forum.

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    Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
    I compiled a "brief" history of events since October 2008 that are defining the global currency war and the role that gold is playing:

    Tin Foil Hats, Economic Reality and the Total Perspective Vortex

    Also, have you contacted your Congressional Rep and asked them co-sponsor Ron Paul's Rep. Paul Broun Jr.'s HR 1098 77: Free Competition in Currencies Act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It's actually the most anti Ron Paul statement I have seen on this forum.
    I agree.

    That said, I'm willing to entertain the possibility, and to insist that military intervention is wrong even if it does benefit us and it's vital that our opposition to it not be merely utilitarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I agree.

    That said, I'm willing to entertain the possibility, and to insist that military intervention is wrong even if it does benefit us and it's vital that our opposition to it not be merely utilitarian.
    F. Scott Fitzgerald - "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
    I don't think the people that you are debating with are looking at both sides of it though. They are just looking at it from the point of man socialism would just be great and work wonderfly if America didn't stop it. Has there been a socialistic country in 5000 years that hasn't been taken over by a dictator? They never ever consider the idea that power corrupts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    F. Scott Fitzgerald - "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
    I don't think the people that you are debating with are looking at both sides of it though. They are just looking at it from the point of man socialism would just be great and work wonderfly if America didn't stop it. Has there been a socialistic country in 5000 years that hasn't been taken over by a dictator? They never ever consider the idea that power corrupts.
    And so many people are so stupid you could repeat this to them and they wouldn't understand wtf your'e talking about, say you're racist, and storm off.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Makes sense... Force the productive at great personal hardship to water and fertilize a bunch of unproductive trees that will never fruit.
    You are right, I agree we should let those people just die off when society is unable to help them out. Saves me some extra money
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are right, I agree we should let those people just die off when society is unable to help them out. Saves me some extra money
    Let the people die off who are suffering from socialism...quit hitting yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The essence of socialism is that it must be imposed by force on those who do not choose it. To say that the ones forcing it on those people did choose it is no consolation to those who didn't. You might as well say that theft is not so bad, and as your proof point to how much support it has among thieves.
    Govt is force, so why single out socialism here? and why talk about it like it is a foreign concept only practiced in foreign lands? Taxation is theft, so why is Rand not talking about the taxation in his own backyard? My issue is Rand is the kettle calling pot black.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Govt is force, so why single out socialism here? and why talk about it like it is a foreign concept only practiced in foreign lands? Taxation is theft, so why is Rand not talking about the taxation in his own backyard? My issue is Rand is the kettle calling pot black.
    We are for voluntary government here, not anti government.. quit hitting yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The premise that America's world policing military makes the American people more prosperous is very tenuous.
    Do you really think if imperialism was a money losing venture, we would continue to do it? The Belgians did not stay in the Congos, the Brits did not stay in their many colonies because they lost money from it. And yes, ordinary every day Americans just like the brits and the Belgians benefit from the trickle down effect of it.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Do you really think if imperialism was a money losing venture, we would continue to do it? The Belgians did not stay in the Congos, the Brits did not stay in their many colonies because they lost money from it. And yes, ordinary every day Americans just like the brits and the Belgians benefit from the trickle down effect of it.
    500 million people have been taken out of poverty in China because of it too. That doesn't mean capitalism doesn't work either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Do you really think if imperialism was a money losing venture, we would continue to do it?
    It's a money gaining venture for some and a money losing venture for others. I don't believe that the common people of America are the ones whose interests are being served by it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Let the people die off who are suffering from socialism...quit hitting yourself
    I am not a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    We are for voluntary government here, not anti government.. quit hitting yourself.
    Lol, I call your voluntary government and raise you a libertarian socialism govt. Checkmate
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I am not a socialist



    Lol, I call your voluntary government and raise you a libertarian socialism govt. Checkmate
    Voluntary government is the reason why we are here. Its the whole mission statement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    It's a money gaining venture for some and a money losing venture for others. I don't believe that the common people of America are the ones whose interests are being served by it though.
    I never said the interest of ordinary Americans were the main reason for militarism. But the same way businesses in a mob infested neighbourhood benefit from the money the mobsters spend, that is the same way ordinary Americans benefit.

    Also, I will not discount the role capitalism helped in positioning the US to take advantage of this role. They go hand in hand
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are right, I agree we should let those people just die off when society is unable to help them out. Saves me some extra money
    Quit watering and feeding them and by nature in the need to survive they will grow longer roots and find their own water. And on the way also find the nutrients needed to grow strong and actually fruit on their own. It's a time proven example with all species. Why do you think they don't allow feeding wildlife? In the long run feeding them harms them much more than it helps them because they become dependent and forget how to take care of themselves. This is a natural scientific fact with our hominid species also.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    INB4 Jules twists Rand's anti socialist talking points into being pro imparialism because he doesn't understand you can be against socialism and imperialism and at the same time advocate for represenative and voluntary government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Quit watering and feeding them and by nature in the need to survive they will grow longer roots and find their own water. And on the way also find the nutrients needed to grow strong and actually fruit on their own. It's a time proven example with all species. Why do you think they don't allow feeding wildlife? In the long run feeding them harms them much more than it helps them because they become dependent and forget how to take care of themselves. This is a natural scientific fact with our hominid species also.
    no its not about that, its like a bunch of people are getting raped and you are demanding that I pay for their HIV medicine when I am saying how about we just not advocate for gang rape. I get it 9/10 people enjoy gang rape, that doesn't mean its good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I never said the interest of ordinary Americans were the main reason for militarism. But the same way businesses in a mob infested neighbourhood benefit from the money the mobsters spend, that is the same way ordinary Americans benefit.

    Also, I will not discount the role capitalism helped in positioning the US to take advantage of this role. They go hand in hand
    Do you think ordinary Americans would be economically better off if the regime in DC didn't police the world with the military that it forces them to fund, or worse off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Do you think ordinary Americans would be economically better off if the regime in DC didn't police the world with the military that it forces them to fund, or worse off?
    Do you think that if America embraced socialism we would stop the imperialism or do you think we would need the imperialism to pay for it?

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