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Thread: A self evident fact: "liberty is not what people yearn for"

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    Exclamation A self evident fact: "liberty is not what people yearn for"

    "Socialism appeals to human nature and this is because liberty is not what people yearn for. People most yearn to be taken care of. Socialism promises people what human nature wants most… and most humans do not yearn for freedom they yearn to be taken care of."

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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    It varies.

    But liberty must be sheltered and guarded to protect it from the swings towards tyranny.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Broken clocks are right twice a day...
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Yes, free stuff is almost invariably more popular than the absence of free stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, free stuff is almost invariably more popular than the absence of free stuff.
    Stolen stuff may be labeled "free" by the unwitting or unknowing but it is nonetheless stolen.

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    I think that the younger generation thinks if you are free that means you can go kill your neighbor and take all their stuff and not go to prison for it. So in essence freedom=violence.

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    The American people haven't cared about liberty for a long time.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The American people haven't cared about liberty for a long time.
    Outside of a tiny remnant, no, they haven't.

    They have been content to grow fat and stupid, gorging on the carcass of what 200 years or so of liberty built.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Outside of a tiny remnant, no, they haven't.

    They have been content to grow fat and stupid, gorging on the carcass of what 200 years or so of liberty built.
    Who needs freedom when you have Netflix and Hulu?
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

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    ... and guess who gets to pay for all this ‘free stuff’?

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    If these lazy bastards would get off their ass they would realize it is easier to make a decent living when you are free of govt chains .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    ... and guess who gets to pay for all this ‘free stuff’?
    Rich people? Shrug.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    I think Socialism trains people to think they want to be taken care of. The more exposure, the less initiative toward freedom. People become helpless.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think Socialism trains people to think they want to be taken care of. The more exposure, the less initiative toward freedom. People become helpless.
    It's just that simple. They stop being independent hunters for themselves and become corralled livestock dependent on their owners to feed them.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    It's our jobs to reintroduce Liberty. Fifty years of communism teachings in school has put us at this crossroad.








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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It's our jobs to reintroduce Liberty. Fifty years of communism teachings in school has put us at this crossroad.








    http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ddd/
    No it's not. It's not our job to care about the future others might have, It's our job to make sure we are not personally inconvenienced between now and the time we are gone. After we are gone who gives a damn what happens...
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think Socialism trains people to think they want to be taken care of. The more exposure, the less initiative toward freedom. People become helpless.
    It's a timeless age old practice called domestication.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    No it's not. It's not our job to care about the future others might have, It's our job to make sure we are not personally inconvenienced between now and the time we are gone. After we are gone who gives a damn what happens...
    Are you kidding? The future of other is our future, too. We can’t continue to ignore the encroachment on Liberty.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    No it's not. It's not our job to care about the future others might have, It's our job to make sure we are not personally inconvenienced between now and the time we are gone. After we are gone who gives a damn what happens...
    I know you were being sarcastic above, but the shame of it all is, some people really do think like that. The DOE has been the globalist weapon against us. Bernie Sanders must be proud--that is why his campaign promises free college for all.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I know you were being sarcastic above, but the shame of it all is, some people really do think like that. The DOE has been the globalist weapon against us. Bernie Sanders must be proud--that is why his campaign promises free college for all.
    And more than that, universal basic income, free medicare for all, Etc. All of it completely irrational, unrealistic, and unsustainable. The unproductive will far outweigh the productive. Money just does not grow on trees like they try to present. If anyone believes even one word of it the dumbing down you speak of is absolutely working.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Are you kidding? The future of other is our future, too. We can’t continue to ignore the encroachment on Liberty.
    Yes... I was being sarcastic.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    I think its an inverse relationship with responsibility. More liberty means being more responsible, whereas more government means I have less responsibility and will be taken care of. Thus, when the message is propagated that you have "a right" i.e. to "free" healthcare it is implied that you are owed it and thus it will be given to you. You don't have to be responsible for it or to yourself and people will be dependent on that system. Whereas if it is not a "right" then you must take on that responsibility of seeking the best coverage you want. Even if that means working harder to achieve it, but that sounds to much like work so people take the path of least resistance at the cost of thier freedom.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I think its an inverse relationship with responsibility. More liberty means being more responsible, whereas more government means I have less responsibility and will be taken care of. Thus, when the message is propagated that you have "a right" i.e. to "free" healthcare it is implied that you are owed it and thus it will be given to you. You don't have to be responsible for it or to yourself and people will be dependent on that system. Whereas if it is not a "right" then you must take on that responsibility of seeking the best coverage you want. Even if that means working harder to achieve it, but that sounds to much like work so people take the path of least resistance at the cost of thier freedom.
    Well said... And in turn this imposes hardships and less freedoms on those who are responsible for themselves.
    Last edited by ATruepatriot; 05-27-2019 at 09:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    And more than that, universal basic income, free medicare for all, Etc. All of it completely irrational, unrealistic, and unsustainable. The unproductive will far outweigh the productive. Money just does not grow on trees like they try to present. If anyone believes even one word of it the dumbing down you speak of is absolutely working.
    Yes the globalist strategy has been in the works for very long time. People have to wake up from their slumber and stop being defeatist and counter it at every turn. This dumbing down has caused a great divide in this country--this is exactly what the globalists banked on. It is so much easier to conquer a people that way.

    If people cannot see that Trump is mucking up their works, for the most part. then they aren't paying close enough attention. Trump is not perfect, nobody is, but he is definitely mucking up their game plan to destroy this country.
    Last edited by donnay; 05-27-2019 at 10:14 AM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes the globalist strategy has been in the works for very long time. People have to walk up from their slumber and stop being defeatist and counter it at every turn. This dumbing down has caused a great divide in this country--this is exactly what the globalists banked on. It is so much easier to conquer a people that way.

    If people cannot see that Trump is mucking up their works, for the most part. then they aren't paying close enough attention. Trump is not perfect, nobody is, but he is definitely mucking up their game plan to destroy this country.
    I see this bigger picture too. It is always a prerequisite for me in perspective, things make more sense and it's easier to understand the why. Apparently we are the minority.
    “The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    The DUMBING-DOWN of humanity is ACCELERATING
    https://healthrangerreport.com/the-d...s-accelerating
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Outside of a tiny remnant, no, they haven't.

    They have been content to grow fat and stupid, gorging on the carcass of what 200 years or so of liberty built.
    Actually, they have been retrained to think of liberty as anything other than the Constitutional definition.

    Adding, the right to pursue property has been all but taken away. It’s hard to buy, hard to maintain due to regulation, and hard to retain due to burdensome taxes. Thus, the welfare state. Unless we find a way for poor people to own property, no matter how small, and do so without government interference, we are in for a world of hurt.
    Last edited by euphemia; 05-27-2019 at 11:25 AM.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    An endless cycle. Perhaps that cycle can be broken?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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