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    Dr. No

    A bill to crack down on unwanted robocalls sailed through the Senate on Thursday, adding to a push by Congress to defeat the growing problem of phone scams and nuisance calls.

    The legislation passed the Senate 97-1, with Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky casting the lone dissenting vote.

    https://wtop.com/congress/2019/05/se...-on-robocalls/



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    I used to get this sometimes in a phone call, I'd listen to it every time to the end.

    Last edited by nikcers; 05-26-2019 at 04:35 AM.

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    What is the reason for opposing this? I get multiple of these a day. You have a company that spoofs a number and wants to sell what is usually a semi-fraudulent to outright fraudulent product. This seems like the kind of regulation with no downside and a big upside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    What is the reason for opposing this? I get multiple of these a day. You have a company that spoofs a number and wants to sell what is usually a semi-fraudulent to outright fraudulent product. This seems like the kind of regulation with no downside and a big upside.
    Phones were one of the ways we bypassed the censorship in the Ron Paul days. They aren't doing this because of scam phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Phones were one of the ways we bypassed the censorship in the Ron Paul days. They aren't doing this because of scam phone calls.

    I actually think they are doing it because of scam phone calls. It would be something that is popular with about 100% of people. Do you not get these calls multiple times a day every weekday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I actually think they are doing it because of scam phone calls. It would be something that is popular with about 100% of people. Do you not get these calls multiple times a day every weekday?
    I remember in 2011 calling people for Ron Paul in Iowa and them telling me that he wasn't even running. There was a meme that said the revolution won't be televised.

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    I just wish my phone provider would let me block all calls originating from India.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    The deep state has access to all of our phone calls they could stop all of the scams if they wanted to.

    Owners of Tech Support Scams in South Florida and Costa Rica Charged With Federal Fraud Offenses

    Federal fraud charges were filed this week against owners of two businesses that allegedly conducted an international tech support scam, Donald S. Boyce, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Illinois, announced today. Michael Austin Seward, 31, of Deerfield Beach, Florida, and Kevin James McCormick, 45, of Delray Beach, Florida, were named in a superseding indictment that charges them and their former vice president, Grant Clark Wasik, 35, of Boynton Beach, Florida, with 13 counts of wire fraud, as well as conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
    According to the indictment, Seward and McCormick owned and operated two tech support scam businesses: Client Care Experts, LLC ("Client Care"), based in Boynton Beach, Florida,1 and ABC Repair Tech, based in Costa Rica. From approximately November 12, 2013, through at least December 9, 2016, the two companies allegedly combined to defraud more than 40,000 people across all 50 States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, several U.S. territories, all ten Canadian provinces, the United Kingdom, and several other foreign countries. At least 57 victims of the alleged scams were located in 22 counties within the Southern District of Illinois, with multiple victims in both St. Clair and Madison Counties. The charged scheme allegedly took in over $25,000,000.
    According to the superseding indictment, the defendants purchased pop-up advertisements, which appeared without warning on consumers’ computer screens and locked up their browsers. These pop-ups falsely informed the victims that serious problems, such as viruses or malware, had been detected on their computers. The pop-ups also usually warned the victims that they were at serious risk of losing their data and instructed them to call a toll-free number. When the victims called the numbers shown on their screens, they were connected to Client Care salespersons.
    The salespersons allegedly convinced the victims to allow them to have remote access to their computers. Once they had accessed the victims’ computers, the indictments charge, the salespersons examined routine computer functions and processes and then tried to convince the victims that these functions and processes were evidence of problems. The salespersons also ran a system analyzer program on the victims’ computers, but no matter what the program showed, the salespersons allegedly still tried to convince the customers that their computers had serious problems. According to the indictment, the salespersons also concealed from the victims that they could make the pop-ups go away by unplugging or rebooting their computers, and that the pop-ups which had frozen their computer screens were actually advertisements paid for by Client Care.
    The superseding indictment alleges that ABC Repair Tech operated substantially the same scheme from its location in Costa Rica.
    Seward is alleged to have been the chief executive officer of Client Care, with McCormick as his chief financial officer. Both men allegedly had an ownership interest in Client Care and ABC Repair Tech and oversaw the operations of both entities. Wasik allegedly worked as one of the supervisors on the sales floor (known as a "Team Leader") before being promoted to sales manager and eventually vice president. Trial for all three defendants is set to begin on July 23, 2018, at the federal courthouse in Benton, Illinois, though a defense motion has already been filed seeking to have the case transferred for convenience to East St. Louis, Illinois.
    Since April 2017, fourteen other employees of Client Care / ABC Repair Tech have been charged with federal fraud violations in the Southern District of Illinois:
    Joseph Ralph Aievoli, IV, 25, of Boynton Beach, FL – Salesperson
    Cory Steven Bachman, 25, of Boynton Beach, FL – Salesperson
    Andrew Douglas Broad, 26, of Boynton Beach, FL – Director of Recruiting and Training
    Ryan Stocker Carr, 23, of Mount Laurel, NJ – Team Leader
    Joshua Dennis Cortez, 37, of Lake Worth, FL – Director of Recruiting and Training
    Nicholas James Davidson, 26, of Boynton Beach, FL – Salesperson
    Patrick M. Dougherty, 35, of Boynton Beach, FL – Salesperson
    Tatum Elyse Espenshade, 26, of West Palm Beach, FL – Salesperson
    Eric M. Iannaccone, 32, of Monroe Township, NJ – Sales Manager
    Anthony Vincent Ludena, 29, of Boca Raton, FL – Salesperson
    Robert Thomas McCart, 32, of Boynton Beach, FL – Team Leader
    Timothy James Miller, II, 27, of Schwenksville, PA – Salesperson
    Jonathan Matthew Richardson, 27, of Lake Worth, FL – Salesperson
    Kyle Evan Swinson, 26, of Boynton Beach, FL – Team Leader
    All of the defendants against whom indictments have been returned have been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Under the SCAMS Act, because the crimes allegedly took place in connection with telemarketing and victimized ten or more persons over the age of 55, the maximum penalty is 30 years imprisonment. The defendants can also be ordered to serve up to five years of supervised release after any term of imprisonment, pay a fine of up to $250,000, and pay restitution to the victims.
    Seward, Wasik, and McCormick are also charged with thirteen counts of wire fraud. Each wire fraud count carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, supervised release of up to three years, and restitution.
    An indictment is a formal charge against a defendant. Under the law, that charge is merely an accusation and the defendant is presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
    Ten of the defendants charged to date have already pled guilty. On March 8, 2018, Ryan Carr was sentenced to 12 months in federal prison and ordered to pay restitution of $20,384.86. Joshua Cortez was sentenced on May 3, 2018, and ordered to serve 18 months in federal prison and to pay $3,034 in restitution. The remaining defendants who have been convicted have not yet been sentenced.
    These cases are part of an ongoing investigation by the St. Louis Field Office of the Chicago Division of the United States Postal Inspection Service. The cases are being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Scott A. Verseman, Ranley R. Killian, and Nathan D. Stump.
    The Florida Attorney General’s Office is cooperating with the federal investigation. In addition, the Florida Attorney General’s Office brought a civil enforcement action against Client Care for the purpose of ending the fraudulent activities at that business.
    The Federal Trade Commission has been working for some time to shut down illegal tech support scams. For more information about the FTC’s "Operation Tech Trap," please go to https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pres...ajor-crackdown.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    What is the reason for opposing this? I get multiple of these a day. You have a company that spoofs a number and wants to sell what is usually a semi-fraudulent to outright fraudulent product. This seems like the kind of regulation with no downside and a big upside.
    Maybe they shoved an extra bill in there that said "All phone calls will be monitored for fake news speech."
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    Maybe they shoved an extra bill in there that said "All phone calls will be monitored for fake news speech."
    I am pretty sure it also gives the FCC blanket authority to mandate regulations on companies that could create winners and losers and give companies legal authority to accidentally block calls- like stuff geting put in your spam folder that isn't spam.

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    Need to block robocalls from Trump Campaign China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I actually think they are doing it because of scam phone calls. It would be something that is popular with about 100% of people. Do you not get these calls multiple times a day every weekday?
    The government regulation already creates the condition that causes this. I don't get any spam calls on my phone number that wasn't sold off for pennies.

    I don't discount its not a problem that people have, otherwise George Bush wouldn't of created the do not call registry.

    I just have a problem with phone companies that artifically create conditions that cause them to be able to lobby for more regulations that make it harder for companies to compete with them.

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    - As president, Trump authorized and implemented on October 03, 2018 a "Presidential Alert" via FEMA to all capable cell phones in the United States.

    I have not read the legislation, does it include "Government Please Save Me FEMA Alerts", or not?
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Undocumention is bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's not a police state, it's what every nation in history has done.

    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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