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    Mt Everest Crowds

    No longer the solo "man vs mountain" image most of us have of it.



    If you imagine the summit of Mount Everest, you might picture a quiet, snowy peak far from civilisation.

    But a striking photo, taken by mountaineer Nirmal Purja, shows how the reality can be a lot more crowded.

    Mr Purja's photo has attracted attention around the world - amid the tragic news that seven climbers died on Everest in the past week.

    The picture gives a glimpse into the tough conditions facing climbers at the highest peak in the world.

    Is it normal to see such long queues near the summit?
    Yes - according to guides, this happens quite often during the climbing season.

    "It's normally that crowded," says Mingma Sherpa, chairman of Seven Summits Treks, adding that climbers sometimes queue between 20 minutes, and 1.5 hours, in order to reach the summit.

    It often depends on how long the window for suitable climbing weather is - because mountaineers need to avoid fierce jet streams that would hinder them.

    "If there's one week [of safe weather], then the summit isn't crowded. But sometimes, when there's only a window of two or three days, it gets very crowded" as all the climbers try to reach the summit at the same time, Mingma Sherpa tells the BBC.

    It's not the first time crowds at Everest have made headlines either.

    In 2012, another photo, taken by German climber Ralf Dujmovits, went viral, as it showed what he called a "conga line" of mountaineers at Everest.



    Is overcrowding dangerous?
    Mr Dujmovits, who reached the Everest Summit in 1992, and ascended 8,000m (26,200 ft) up the mountain on six other occasions, says that long queues at the summit can be hazardous.

    "When people have to wait in queues, they risk running short of oxygen - and may not have enough oxygen left on their way down."

    During his 1992 climb, he ran out of oxygen during his descent, and felt as though "someone was hitting me with a wooden sledgehammer", he says.

    "I felt I almost couldn't make any progress - I was pretty lucky I could recover enough and eventually make my way down safely."

    "When you have winds of stronger than 15km/h (9mph), you just can't make it without oxygen... you're losing so much body warmth."

    To make matters worse - sometimes, oxygen cylinders left out for designated climbers get stolen.

    "Stealing oxygen at such altitude is no less than killing somebody," Maya Sherpa, who reached the summit three times, told BBC Nepali. "The government needs to co-ordinate with the Sherpas to enforce rules."

    Why are there 'traffic jams'?
    Experts say crowds at Everest have also increased in recent years because expeditions have become more popular.

    Andrea Ursina Zimmerman, an expedition guide who reached Everest's peak in 2016, says that many "traffic jams" are caused by unprepared climbers who "do not have the physical condition" for the journey.

    This risks not only their lives, but the lives of the Sherpas taking them up the mountain.

    Ms Zimmerman's husband, mountain guide Norbu Sherpa, recalls having an argument at 8,600m with a climber who was exhausted but insisted he wanted to continue to the summit.

    "We had a big argument, and I had to tell him he was risking the life of two Sherpas as well as his own, before he would come down. He couldn't even walk properly - we had to slide him down with ropes - so by the time we reached base camp he was really grateful."

    What's it like reaching a crowded summit?
    Norbu Sherpa has reached the summit seven times. He says it is much more crowded from the Nepali side - the Tibet side is easier, but the Chinese government issues fewer permits, and the climb is less interesting.

    At the last ridge from the southern, Nepali side, there is only one fixed rope.

    When it's crowded, "there can be two lines of people - one going up, and one going down the summit," he says, adding: "Everyone is hanging onto this one rope".

    He adds that the most dangerous part is often the descent.

    A lot of people push themselves to the summit, but, once they reach it, "lose their motivation and energy on the way down", especially when they realise it's a long, crowded journey.

    Is it worth reaching the summit?
    Mr Dujmovits says that, despite being exhausted, he felt "a total release" when he got to the top.

    However, descending safely - even if you haven't reached the summit - is much more important, he says.

    "I lost so many friends who died during the descent over the years - many accidents happen during the descent because people are just not concentrating enough anymore - especially in the case of Everest where there are big crowds going up and down."

    "The real summit is actually back at base camp - when you're back, you can really feel the enjoyment of everything you've done."

    Many expedition guides stress that reaching the top is immensely rewarding - but being physically prepared, and choosing the right time to ascend, go a long way towards reducing the risk.

    Practising climbing mountains at 7,000m or 8,000m is essential so people know "how their bodies react to those altitudes", says Norbu Sherpa.

    He also encourages his teams to start the ascent "very early" in the day, so they can descend before other climbers start coming up.

    Ms Zimmerman ascended Everest from the Tibet side, but deliberately chose to wait an extra day before ascending the summit so it would be less crowded.

    She was aware that there was a risk the weather window would close and her expedition would end without her reaching the top - but says it was worth it because she and her husband ended up "alone on the summit".

    "I cannot even describe how it feels to be with your husband, alone at the top of the world... We arrived at 03:45, waited, and saw the sunrise."



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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...inent-n1009131

    Utah man dies on Everest after reaching goal of climbing each continent's tallest mountain, family says



    “He taught us that nothing was impossible,” said the daughter of mountaineer Don Cash, who died while descending from the summit of Mount Everest.

    An American man who had the goal of climbing the tallest mountain on each continent died after reaching the top of Mount Everest, his seventh and final summit.

    Don Cash, 55, was a Utah resident and passionate climber who had left his job to join the "Seven Summits Club."

    Cash's children said their father knew he was on a risky mission. On a previous climb, he lost fingers to frostbite. Still, he was determined to reach all seven summits.

    “He taught us that nothing was impossible,” Brandalin Cash, his daughter, told NBC affiliate KSL-TV, adding that Everest was a "big finishing aspect of his dreams."

    Cash made it to the top of Everest, completing his life's dream, but collapsed on the descent on a portion of the trail called the Hillary Step.

    The exact cause of Cash’s death is unclear, but his family thinks he had a heart attack while descending from the peak of the world’s tallest mountain. His family said Sherpas, mountain guides on Everest, tried to perform CPR and give him oxygen, but he died as he was transported back to camp.

    Cash's body will remain on Everest, his family telling NBC News their father signed a waiver that his body would be left in the event of his death.

    According to The Himalayan Times, Cash is the 12th climber to die on mountains in the range with elevations above 25,000 feet in this year's spring climbing season, currently at its peak.

    “Our thoughts and deepest condolences are with Don Cash’s family during this difficult time,” his former employer, BMC Software, said.

    "One of the last messages my mom got was thank you for supporting me in my dreams,” Brandalin Cash said. “He wanted to do this. He wanted to be on that mountain. He wanted to show that he could accomplish dreams and that others can too.”

    "I feel so blessed to be on this mountain that I read about for 40 years," Cash told his son shortly before his death.

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    Cash made it to the top of Everest, completing his life's dream, but collapsed on the descent on a portion of the trail called the Hillary Step.

    The exact cause of Cash’s death is unclear
    Seems pretty clear to me.
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    So, explain how importing millions more semi-literate, sub 80 IQ idiots, into America will make things better?

    Do tens of thousands of bored, idle rich, yuppies tramping up Mt. Everest make it better?
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    “He taught us that nothing was impossible,” Brandalin Cash, his daughter, told NBC affiliate KSL-TV
    He's dead.

    He died trying, and failed to complete the climb's descent.

    That is the penultimate definition of "impossible"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    He's dead.
    He died trying, and failed to complete the climb's descent.
    That is the penultimate definition of "impossible"...
    Can I recommend that you do not seek a second career as a grief counselor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Can I recommend that you do not seek a second career as a grief counselor?
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    Forgive me if I don't shed a tear for rich bastards that find normal life boring.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Forgive me if I don't shed a tear for rich bastards that find normal life boring.
    Bing $#@!ing go.

    These "thrill seekers" are the same clovers that buy an AMG 'Merc with 800 HP and drive it 10 MPH below the speed limit and are first in line to vote for a new seat belt law, or helmet law or safety fatwa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Can I recommend that you do not seek a second career as a grief counselor?
    Harsh, I know...but I am fair sick and tired of being told 2 + 2 = 5.

    No, that man with fake tits and pumped up full of chemicals is not a woman.

    No, that electric blue buzz cut lesbian is not your "wife" lady, she's your co-masturbation partner at best.

    No, "nothing in life is impossible" is not a true statement. Many things in life are impossible, for many different reasons and to die trying and failing at something, defines, it is the very definition of, impossible.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-24-2019 at 11:51 PM.
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    WOOO I made it! Like and subscribe guys, follow my instagram, friend me on facebook

    They all look like a bunch of lemmings
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    WOOO I made it! Like and subscribe guys, follow my instagram, friend me on facebook

    They all look like a bunch of lemmings
    What about the story says anything about lemmings? Personally, I send my condolences to the family of the dead. People are different, some of us are content living a normal life in our environment while other are trill seekers who enjoy taking adventures and exploring the world. I say to each his own.

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    Now we are going to probably have more regulations of the climbing just because people just don't know whats good for them.

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    Little video for those people who still believe lemmings follow the crowd and fall off the cliff to their deaths

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    How strange that he died on Hillary Step.
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    Another man, from the UK, collapsed and died on the way down yesterday. Just a permit to make the climb costs $11,000.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48407433

    Mr Fisher made it to Everest's summit on Saturday morning but collapsed and died only 150m down from the peak, his expedition company confirmed.

    Guides tried to help Mr Fisher after he "suddenly fell down", Murari Sharma of Everest Parivar Expedition said.

    Despite efforts to wake him and to give him oxygen and water, the climber remained unresponsive and guides radioed their base camp to confirm he had died just 45 minutes after Mr Fisher had stood atop the mountain.

    Reports said one of his Sherpa guide's had also complained of feeling ill, and was rescued to a lower camp.
    Who else had died on Everest this week?
    Kevin Hynes, 56, from Ireland died on Friday on the northern Tibet side of the mountain.

    The father-of-two passed away in his tent at 7,000m (23,000ft) after turning back before reaching the mountain's peak.

    Other deaths from this week include four people from India, one person from Nepal, an Austrian and an American.

    A second Irish man, professor Séamus Lawless, is presumed dead after falling on the mountain last week.

    In a statement on Friday, his family said that the search for his body had been called off in order to not endanger others.



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    I have an unpopular opinion maybe they're all dying because they're taking up each other's oxygen
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Another man, from the UK, collapsed and died on the way down yesterday. Just a permit to make the climb costs $11,000.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48407433
    Time to raise prices. 20% increase to thin the crowd

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    Let me just make sure I thoroughly understand this .11K for a permit to go somewhere where they tell you your going to need oxygen bottles to survive and you still have Visa fee , airline tickets and a guide to pay . As far as I know no gold has been discovered and you do not even get your picture with a Yeti ? When I went to Alcatraz I got a T shirt .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Let me just make sure I thoroughly understand this .11K for a permit to go somewhere where they tell you your going to need oxygen bottles to survive and you still have Visa fee , airline tickets and a guide to pay . As far as I know no gold has been discovered and you do not even get your picture with a Yeti ? When I went to Alcatraz I got a T shirt .
    And Danke can take you to a much higher altitude for much less.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    One problem with the traffic jams is that it forces climbers to spend more time in the "critical zone" (sometimes called the "dead zone") where your body is unable to function normally because the air is too thin- fluids can accumulate in the lungs, brain, and other organs. Ten have now died in the past week. Climbers try to minimize time at that altitude but the crowds force them to stay up there longer waiting for their turn at the top.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-26-2019 at 01:14 PM.



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