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    Libertarians want Justin Amash to run for president, and he may do it

    Rep. Justin Amash's tweets declaring that President Trump committed impeachable offenses have made him an outcast among Republicans, but many of his supporters are excited about what they see as a sign he will run for president as a Libertarian.

    The Michigan Republican, 39, is known for defying party leaders on issues such as mass surveillance and government spending. And since Trump took office, he’s been viewed as a possible Libertarian champion in 2020 — a notion amplified by his Saturday remarks.

    Amash’s emergence as a possible competitor may have caught Trump’s campaign off-guard.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...d-he-may-do-it



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    Justin Amash running would give America a real choice.
    Last edited by Cap; 05-22-2019 at 10:03 AM.
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    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Let's see, if we all get behind him maybe it will help Joe Biden win

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    It'd be better if he waited until 2024. Maybe people will have forgotten by then that he wants Trump impeached.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    His calling for impeachment makes sense now. Likely all about getting his name out in the news cycle for this purpose. However the voters he catered to in that effort will never vote for him and he turned off those he had a potential with. However memories are short and if he is only just looking for a few percent of those that vote Libertarian he will have them regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    His calling for impeachment makes sense now. Likely all about getting his name out in the news cycle for this purpose. However the voters he catered to in that effort will never vote for him and he turned off those he had a potential with. However memories are short and if he is only just looking for a few percent of those that vote Libertarian he will have them regardless.
    Libertarians support him, people like me support him, perhaps this will bring some "not-know-why-they-are-democrats" over like Ron Paul did.

    I do not care who wins president. Trump is no good (he convinced republicans to back an Obama/globalist agenda). At least with Biden the "republicans" will regroup and stand ground with "republican values". So maybe I will stand on principle again and vote Amash. Standing on principle has never led me wrong. And if he miraculously wins because this country has had enough, all the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    His calling for impeachment makes sense now. Likely all about getting his name out in the news cycle for this purpose. However the voters he catered to in that effort will never vote for him and he turned off those he had a potential with. However memories are short and if he is only just looking for a few percent of those that vote Libertarian he will have them regardless.
    His 4-d chess game isn't very good if his end-game is the Losertarian party.
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    Over 30 years since Ron Paul made his 1988 run and libertarians still think they're bigger than the car they're chasing.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Over 30 years since Ron Paul made his 1988 run and libertarians still think they're bigger than the car they're chasing.
    Let’s quit :-)

    We should also close the forum down :-)
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    Thumbs up Justin Amash & Austin Petersen - Libertarian Party 2020

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    Let's see, if we all get behind him maybe it will help Joe Biden win
    So it's a win win. There's no way for America to lose, if Trump is defeated.

    Even Joe Biden is - Better Than Trump.

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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Let’s quit :-)

    We should also close the forum down :-)
    OR, we could stop trying things that have been irrefutably proven not to work. I'm almost to the point of suspecting folks of being here just to ensure that the liberty movement remains politically incompetent.

    You know why anyone even knows who Ron Paul is? Hint: It ain't because he stayed in an obscure, highly-purity-driven party that condemns itself to eternal irrelevancy, and the moment it even comes close to making so much as a ripple in the pond, people move the goal posts and set the standards for purity even higher. Y'all are no where near a point where you can afford such luxury, IF your goal is to win elections or even get a message out.

    Here's an idea that would at least be a new one:

    Run a libertarian as a democrat. Come on, let's see it happen. See how well received those ideas are in that party. At least then we can lay to rest this notion that we have as much in common with the D's than the R's.

    Gonna drop this here:

    We are running out of time
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    His 4-d chess game isn't very good if his end-game is the Losertarian party.
    Unless he is using it to provide greater name recognition long before 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    So it's a win win. There's no way for America to lose, if Trump is defeated.

    Even Joe Biden is - Better Than Trump.
    Delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Unless he is using it to provide greater name recognition long before 2024.
    5-d chess? The only man I know with that kinda skill is DJT
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    In 2016 the voters decided to choose a different path by electing a president that has never served in office as an elected official.

    Since before Trump even won his election, the globalist elite have worked to stop any efforts to put America on different path.

    It is as if we aren't allowed to go in a different direction and use a new approach.

    The efforts by the globalist elite would be even more intense if we had elected Ron Paul or any libertarian minded person, such as Amash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    In 2016 the voters decided to choose a different path by electing a president that has never served in office as an elected official.

    Since before Trump even won his election, the globalist elite have worked to stop any efforts to put America on different path.

    It is as if we aren't allowed to go in a different direction and use a new approach.

    The efforts by the globalist elite would be even more intense if we had elected Ron Paul or any libertarian minded person, such as Amash.
    Truth...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    In 2016 the voters decided to choose a different path by electing a president that has never served in office as an elected official.

    Since before Trump even won his election, the globalist elite have worked to stop any efforts to put America on different path.

    It is as if we aren't allowed to go in a different direction and use a new approach.

    The efforts by the globalist elite would be even more intense if we had elected Ron Paul or any libertarian minded person, such as Amash.
    That's why I say we use every opportunity to chip away at the credibility of the globalists NOW, because when Trump is gone (and folks, at some point, he will leave office), they'll be looking for a new target (or should I say, an old one). I feel like we haven't really been making the best of this opportunity, however small of an opportunity it is. FOOTBALL ANALOGY AHEAD: There's decent blocking coverage for runners. So run the damn ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    It would make sense if Amash made the impeachment announcement for publicity before a presidential run. He could run as a Republican, so that there is someone other than Bill Weld (and Trump) in the race.

    Otherwise, there was a lot of political downside, including unintended consequences like creating an opportunity for libertarianism to be bashed by neocons, teocons and Trump supporters in the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Here's an idea that would at least be a new one:

    Run a libertarian as a democrat. Come on, let's see it happen. See how well received those ideas are in that party. At least then we can lay to rest this notion that we have as much in common with the D's than the R's.
    That’s always a good idea, but libertarianism is the true enemy of Marxism, so the Dems won’t be terribly receptive. It’s the free stuff that drives the average ignorant Democrat. And Amash can’t do it, as he is established as a Republican.
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    If Justin does decide to run, it would be consistent of RPFs mission statement to support him. After all, he is the better choice.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Justin Amash running would give America a real choice.
    True but this decision should be made after careful consideration.

    GOP-Adelson neocon wing as well as Biden-neoconlite wing both have funding from deep pockets and powerful fakenews media allies, he would have to have a smart and experienced team to mount a guerilla campaign if he does decide to run.


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    It'd be better if he waited until 2024. Maybe people will have forgotten by then that he wants Trump impeached.
    Yea they could forget by 2024. There is a recent voter memory model example in front of us but it took voters over 10 years to forget that Trump championed socialism, universal health care, big government spending, abortion choice, gay marriage and increased immigration.




    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    Let's see, if we all get behind him maybe it will help Joe Biden win
    It' too early but recent troubling polls show Biden's double digit lead over MAGA, hopefully it won't but risk is increasing that it could happen regardless of Libertarian party factor:

    MAGA DANGER: Headwinds for reelection are severe


    Given how precarious political situation is in DC at present, it may be prudent for GOP/Libertarians to explore alternatives pro-liberty options. Between now and Nov 2020, a lot could change. MAGA appointed Barr & Rosenstein did a great job in stopping release of full Mueller Report but ability of Dems/Deep Stage should not be underestimated to create a new surprise, real or manufactured.

    Hopefully 2007 Bush-Cheney sugar high spend economy bubble type crash won't happen, that probably would be the biggest risk for current deficit/debt balloon spending economic boom cycle that would not only jeopardize future of GOP-Adelson but of all the global intervetions projects underway from Iran to Iraq to Venez and beyond and domestic big gov spending projects at home.
    Stakes are high, contigency options should be kept ready by short listing pro-liberty candidates who can step in at short notice to avoid Dems takeover if down the raod risk of GOP-Adelson sinking in 2020 got too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It would make sense if Amash made the impeachment announcement for publicity before a presidential run. He could run as a Republican, so that there is someone other than Bill Weld (and Trump) in the race.

    Otherwise, there was a lot of political downside, including unintended consequences like creating an opportunity for libertarianism to be bashed by neocons, teocons and Trump supporters in the media.
    I think Amash did a massive amount of damage in terms of how regular republican voters look at libertarian voters. Voter support for Trump among republicans is rock solid. Republican voters want Trump to have allies in the GOP and Amash has the appearance of siding with Democrats over Republicans. Seems really stupid to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think Amash did a massive amount of damage in terms of how regular republican voters look at libertarian voters. Voter support for Trump among republicans is rock solid. Republican voters want Trump to have allies in the GOP and Amash has the appearance of siding with Democrats over Republicans. Seems really stupid to me.
    “republicans” and I have nothing in common; today’s republicans are Obama democrats.

    So, nothing gained, nothing lost... the NWO will commence as planned.

    If anything, Amash will highlight how non-principled and anti-freedom republicans really are. Which is actually smart, not dumb, especially considering his 94% Record which 94% of Americans don’t even bother to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    “republicans” and I have nothing in common; today’s republicans are Obama democrats.

    So, nothing gained, nothing lost... the NWO will commence as planned.

    If anything, Amash will highlight how non-principled and anti-freedom republicans really are. Which is actually smart, not dumb, especially considering his 94% Record which 94% of Americans don’t even bother to look.

    2012 said it best: USA, USA
    I disagree. I think we moved the GOP in a better direction since 2007. The neocons are more out of favor and libertarian leaning Republicans, such as Rand Paul, are respected. There is less prominence from the moral majority, Christian theocracy types that held sway from the Reagan/Bush years. I think the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION has resulted in a better GOP that has more separation from the Democrat party than it did in 2007.

    Are there still liberal Republican politicians? Yes. Jeb! and Kasich are proof of that.

    Are they very much out of favor with Republican voters? Yes. Jeb! and Kasich being rejected by voters are proof of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    “republicans” and I have nothing in common; today’s republicans are Obama democrats.

    So, nothing gained, nothing lost... the NWO will commence as planned.

    If anything, Amash will highlight how non-principled and anti-freedom republicans really are. Which is actually smart, not dumb, especially considering his 94% Record which 94% of Americans don’t even bother to look.

    2012 said it best: USA, USA
    Mathematical word problem:

    If we support the political suicide of our people in the House at the rate of 1 liberty representative per decade, and we successfully sneak a liberty representative into the House at the rate of 1 per decade. We should achieve a majority in . . .
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    OR, we could stop trying things that have been irrefutably proven not to work. I'm almost to the point of suspecting folks of being here just to ensure that the liberty movement remains politically incompetent.

    You know why anyone even knows who Ron Paul is? Hint: It ain't because he stayed in an obscure, highly-purity-driven party that condemns itself to eternal irrelevancy, and the moment it even comes close to making so much as a ripple in the pond, people move the goal posts and set the standards for purity even higher. Y'all are no where near a point where you can afford such luxury, IF your goal is to win elections or even get a message out.
    I sort of disagree – while also agreeing

    No question the big moment for Ron Paul came in his debate moment with Giuliani – but I think some people don’t realize his years educating us with Texas Straight Talk and other avenues built a following that allowed him to push through and have that moment

    If he didn’t have a legion of devoted people – the MSM would of buried him after the debate moment m- and he would have been powerless to fight back

    These devoted people became devoted because of the years he spent fighting the GOP over issues – and not all that time was from within the party apparatus

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I sort of disagree – while also agreeing

    No question the big moment for Ron Paul came in his debate moment with Giuliani – but I think some people don’t realize his years educating us with Texas Straight Talk and other avenues built a following that allowed him to push through and have that moment

    If he didn’t have a legion of devoted people – the MSM would of buried him after the debate moment m- and he would have been powerless to fight back

    These devoted people became devoted because of the years he spent fighting the GOP over issues – and not all that time was from within the party apparatus
    Ron Paul educated the people who knew about him, yes, before his presidential run. I never heard of Texas Straight talk before 2008. I think there are a lot of people who didn't. Certainly a lot of people didn't know about him in 1988.


    We're expecting Amash to give up a real seat in congress, fight his way through a Libertarian primary (which I know damn well is going to whip out purity test serum to see what color the water turns when dripped on him), and if he manages to make it through that, he's supposed to fight as a 3rd party candidate against an incumbent republican going into his 2nd term as president.


    I respectfully don't see that ending in anything but irrelevancy for his future. I know people don't want that to be true, but guys, come on. How many people here can name, without looking it up, the libertarian party candidate for presidency in 1992, 96? I'm guessing very few people here, and if it's that low here, imagine what it is in the general public. I know who it was in 1988, but only because I know Ron Paul from 2008, and the LP can't claim credit for that.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 05-22-2019 at 03:31 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Ron Paul educated the people who knew about him, yes, before his presidential run. I never heard of Texas Straight talk before 2008. I think there are a lot of people who didn't. Certainly a lot of people didn't know about him in 1988.


    We're expecting Amash to give up a real seat in congress, fight his way through a Libertarian primary (which I know damn well is going to whip out purity test serum to see what color the water turns when dripped on him), and if he manages to make it through that, he's supposed to fight as a 3rd party candidate against an incumbent republican going into his 2nd term as president.


    I respectfully don't see that ending in anything but irrelevancy for his future. I know people don't want that to be true, but guys, come on. How many people here can name, without looking it up, the libertarian party candidate presidency in 1992, 96? I'm guessing very few people here, and if it's that low here, imagine what it is in the general public.
    I think it was Root and Barr

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Over 30 years since Ron Paul made his 1988 run and libertarians still think they're bigger than the car they're chasing.

    Multiple Senate wins including Rand Paul's were just some of the tangible results of RP's liberty movement that has had momentous impact on US polictical landscape and GOP attitudes already.
    Wiutout ground work RP did, MAGA wont be in WH today. It's too bad he used many of RP's talking points pre-election when ground was fertile but later flip flopped as lobbies bought funded candidates usually do. It may be fashionalble now for GOP leaders to talk about ending dumb wasteful global interventions and big gov domestic spending schemes to win elections but it was a taboo when RP first spoke about such ideas and was attacked by many inlcuding MAGA's buddies like Giuliani and fakenews media hacks like Hannity, Levin etc.

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