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    Federal judge rules Trump cannot block subpoena for financial records

    Trump had attempted to challenge the subpoena.

    A federal district judge has told the accounting firm Mazars it will need to turn over Donald Trump’s accounting records from before he was President to the Democratic-control House Oversight Committee.

    The Hill
    BREAKING: Federal judge rules Trump cannot block subpoena for financial records
    http://hill.cm/utimt07



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    The Witch Hunt continues.


    They won't find anything to help them.
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    If the IRS under Obama didn't find anything, then good luck.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Someone want to explain to me how the house oversight committee is entitled to these financial records ?
    Do something Danke

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    If he has nothing to hide; then nothing to fear. .

    I’m not opposed to it. But I’m not a trump lover either. To me he’s a rich guy who craves power. He tweets like a pimply 14 year old and I haven’t seen any wars ended yet.
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    If he has nothing to hide; then nothing to fear.
    I hope you are joking.
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    Robert Heinlein

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    What's the Official 36D Chess explanation for this behavior? Trump's just acting like a Spoiled Member of The Protected Class to get this ruling on the books?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
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    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What's the Official 36D Chess explanation for this behavior? Trump's just acting like a Spoiled Member of The Protected Class to get this ruling on the books?
    It's a baseless violation of his right to be secure from unreasonable search and seizure.

    So naturally you endorse it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's a baseless violation of his right to be secure from unreasonable search and seizure.

    So naturally you endorse it.
    Unreasonable search and seizure?

    That's your description of what is happening to documents which he sent to the government? Which were, in fact, prepared for the specific purpose of sending to the federal government?

    Why Swordshyll! You do have a sense of humor!
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Unreasonable search and seizure?

    That's your description of what is happening to documents which he sent to the government? Which were, in fact, prepared for the specific purpose of sending to the federal government?

    Why Swordshyll! You do have a sense of humor!
    Do you even read the stories you comment on?

    In a 41-page opinion, Judge Amit Mehta, an Obama appointee, found that the panel, under the leadership of Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), had valid reasons for requesting the president’s financial records from the accounting firm Mazars
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    On page 28, the "judge" literally references an opinion article in the Washington post, to support his decision.
    Last edited by spudea; 05-20-2019 at 06:34 PM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    There won't be a contested convention
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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do you even read the stories you comment on?
    You think those aren't records kept for tax purposes?

    You know if it was a Clinton refusing to release such records, you'd be apoplectic.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You think those aren't records kept for tax purposes?
    Some may be but Congress must not have a right to see them or they could just get them from the IRS.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You know if it was a Clinton refusing to release such records, you'd be apoplectic.
    No I wouldn't, I'm not like you.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    On page 28, the "judge" literally references an opinion article in the Washington post, to support his decision.
    Wouldn't be the first time the federal judiciary supported their nonsense rulings with fake news garbage to try and take down Trump..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Some may be but Congress must not have a right to see them or they could just get them from the IRS.
    You mean the Internal Revenue Service, an Executive Branch Agency? No. Not all documentation backing up the figures on a business tax return get submitted with it; some only get kept in case of audit. Nice try at obfuscation, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No I wouldn't, I'm not like you.
    Is this the same person who is screaming that one of the most principled members of Congress is after revenge for tariffs against China because he has an interest in a company that makes things in Taiwan?

    Yeah, sure you wouldn't.

    And as for me, I never once called for Trump to release these records. And unlike you, with your RWTDS, I don't differentiate between swamp creatures like Trump and Clinton. So how would anything of the sort make someone like me? Or is it that you can't debate, and that's the best baseless attack you can come up with?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-20-2019 at 06:53 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Whew. A new issue to wear out. Gonna be a whole field full of dead horses who took quite a beating while he was in office.

    I'm looking forward to it. Racism wore out. Russia collusion wore out. Let's start on tax returns 'til we wear that one out.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men



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  20. #17
    Trump should subpoena tax returns from all judges, and elected Senators, and Congress Representatives.

    See if goose gander works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You mean the Internal Revenue Service, an Executive Branch Agency? No. Not all documentation backing up the figures on a business tax return get submitted with it; some only get kept in case of audit. Nice try at obfuscation, though.
    Then you admit that we are talking about documents that the government doesn't have a right to without satisfying the Constitutional search and seizure requirements?

    You do know that the filing requirements for the Income tax are a violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments, right?


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Is this the same person who is screaming that one of the most principled members of Congress is after revenge for tariffs against China because he has an interest in a company that makes things in Taiwan?
    They make things in China and he is lying about Trump for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, sure you wouldn't.
    No I wouldn't.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Friends, with your generous contribution, we can find a cure for the millions of unfortunates who suffer from Right Wing Trump Derangement Syndrome. Won't you give, so these poor sufferers can be reacquainted with reality?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Friends, with your generous contribution, we can find a cure for the millions of unfortunates who suffer from Right Wing Trump Derangement Syndrome. Won't you give, so these poor sufferers can be reacquainted with reality?
    Who else here supports unlimited search and seizure for Congress?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Who else here supports unlimited search and seizure for Congress?
    My personal take is this: if they are public government workers which I am paying for, and I am forced to pay taxes, forced to pay for things I do not want or need, I feel I have a right to know everything about them. Where is my money going, what lobbyists are funding them that affect MY pocket, etc. Along with a full audit of the gov/Fed.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    This is rich. They want to basically audit the man again for 8 years the IRS already audited.

    [edited my own post for unnecessary cruelty. I love you poor misguided fools, in a way]
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 05-20-2019 at 07:16 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    My personal take is this: if they are public government workers which I am paying for, and I am forced to pay taxes, forced to pay for things I do not want or need, I feel I have a right to know everything about them. Where is my money going, what lobbyists are funding them that affect MY pocket, etc. Along with a full audit of the gov/Fed.
    You do NOT.

    You certainly don't have a right to go on a fishing expedition through their past before they were in office.

    Another "anarchist" that suddenly loves big government when it suits them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    My personal take is this: if they are public government workers which I am paying for, and I am forced to pay taxes, forced to pay for things I do not want or need, I feel I have a right to know everything about them. Where is my money going, what lobbyists are funding them that affect MY pocket, etc. Along with a full audit of the gov/Fed.
    Aren't they seeking his returns for years before his presidency?



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    My personal take is this: if they are public government workers which I am paying for, and I am forced to pay taxes, forced to pay for things I do not want or need, I feel I have a right to know everything about them. Where is my money going, what lobbyists are funding them that affect MY pocket, etc. Along with a full audit of the gov/Fed.
    I think we would all like that. But fortunately the Constitution says different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Witch Hunt continues.


    They won't find anything to help them.
    The progressive neo-cons haven't gotten the message. This is the type of $#@! that will lead to a 2020 victory. Formerly apathetic individuals have found a cure in the the total assault on the sitting POTUS. He hasn't lost his base. And he picks up more every single day this $#@! continues. Not a single individual I know gives a $#@! about his IRS accounting. Only Dems, and they aren't going to vote for him anyway.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You do NOT.

    You certainly don't have a right to go on a fishing expedition through their past before they were in office.

    Another "anarchist" that suddenly loves big government when it suits them.
    Ohh...SLAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Aren't they seeking his returns for years before his presidency?
    Yep... Back to 2011. It s a fishing expedition because they got nothing else.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You do NOT.

    You certainly don't have a right to go on a fishing expedition through their past before they were in office.

    Another "anarchist" that suddenly loves big government when it suits them.

    I do not care about prior to office, that is each individuals own business and not any of mine.

    Your question was: "Who else here supports unlimited search and seizure for Congress?"
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I do not care about prior to office, that is each individuals own business and not any of mine.
    That was the context of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Your question was: "Who else here supports unlimited search and seizure for Congress?"
    And it's still both a very bad idea and hypocritical for an "anarchist".
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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