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    Trump discusses Iran, names Military Industrial Complex; doesn't want war.

    Lots of talk here about Trump wanting war (an assumption based off his Bolton hiring?) with Iran. Its almost as if the Never-Trump / TDS / "all or nothing libertarians" want Trump to go to war so they can finally say, "I told you so!".



    But then you have his own words from his own mouth. Not some convoluted hiring or what other people said, might say, or allude to. And, in my opinion, his words can't be any clearer.

    Trump : I'm not somebody that wants to go into war. War hurts economies, war kills people



    He goes on to point out the MIC pushing against him whether figuratively or literally.

    Trump : Don't kid yourself, you have the military industrial complex. They do like war......I say I wanna bring our troops back home, the place went crazy...you have people here in Washington, they never wanna leave.....If it was up to them, they'd bring thousands of soldiers in.

    Someday people will explain it. You do have a group, and they call it, the military industrial complex, they never wanna leave, they always wanna fight. I don't wanna fight.



    Trump may speak like a common man, but are his words about the MIC any less significant than Eisenhowers? Somebody we cited to convince people that the MIC was real and not just a boogie man?

    Eisenhower: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.



    Last edited by eleganz; 05-20-2019 at 12:52 AM.
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    This shows that the deep state exists and this is the same one that is pushing migrants in Europe and Italy.

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    This is great news, should be spread everywhere to counter fakenews narratives that MAGA and his appointees Bolton/Pompeo/Iraq war architect Elliot Abrams (new Venez guy) , Alex Acosta were fake conservatives and behind the scenes were driving globalist interventionist projects in Iran, Venez, Iraq etc as puppets of respected neoconservative casino owner Adelson.
    Timing is also perfect, this news should help stop any more alienation and defections of conservtives/libertarians some of whom had started using very extreme terms like "scam" to refer to GOP-Adelson leadership.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Since he frequently contradicts himself his statements can't be trusted at all, you have to watch his actions to even guess about his positions or plans.
    On a scale of 0 to 10, do you really have "0" trust in statements of a sitting POTUS?


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    Excellent! He does "get it" for sure then without question. Now if he screws up there is absolutely no excuse of ignorance. It is a new bar to judge him by going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    But then you have his own words from his own mouth.
    This has to be satire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This has to be satire.
    Watch the video...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    But then you have his own words from his own mouth.
    This has to be satire.
    There is lot of serious talk here, nothing wrong with some satire to lighten things up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    There is lot of serious talk here, nothing wrong with some satire to lighten things up a bit.
    It's not though... It removes all doubt and that he does indeed see the bigger picture and the MIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    But then you have his own words from his own mouth. Not some convoluted hiring or what other people said, might say, or allude to. And, in my opinion, his words can't be any clearer.
    Trump : Don't kid yourself, you have the military industrial complex. They do like war......I say I wanna bring our troops back home, the place went crazy...you have people here in Washington, they never wanna leave.....If it was up to them, they'd bring thousands of soldiers in.

    Someday people will explain it. You do have a group, and they call it, the military industrial complex, they never wanna leave, they always wanna fight. I don't wanna fight.
    Please write out the words that he says after "I don't wanna fight"

    Since we are being clear, I noticed you left those out of the OP and they basically say, "but I will fight them if they don't bow to my demands."

    Either Iran is a sovereign country and can make their own big boy decisions or Trump is in charge.

    Either Trump is our Commander in Chief and can do something about endless war, or he can act like he is powerless.

    Trump needs to either $#@! or get off the pot. Just do it. Especially if he so clearly sees what the problem is.

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    Trump has more than proven that his words are nothing to go by.

    But for those who still haven't learned that, he just tweeted this. He sounds all set for war with Iran to me.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...07891049332737
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 05-20-2019 at 12:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It's not though... It removes all doubt and that he does indeed see the bigger picture and the MIC.



    Do you think he knows what kind of killing these MIC weapons are doing in Yemen and other places?

    I'm curious if you believe in 'follow the money' and know who is top funder is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This has to be satire.
    Now I am going to share something straight up with this. This gives me a new perspective in two ways. First I am glad that he truly does understand what his advisors are trying to push him into which is a good thing in the bigger picture, at least I know he is indeed making efforts to keep us out of war. But, at the same time it removes any benefit of the doubt defense I might try to spout based on him having ignorance and lack of understanding the bigger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Lots of talk here about Trump wanting war (an assumption based off his Bolton hiring?) with Iran. Its almost as if the Never-Trump / TDS / "all or nothing libertarians" want Trump to go to war so they can finally say, "I told you so!".



    But then you have his own words from his own mouth. Not some convoluted hiring or what other people said, might say, or allude to. And, in my opinion, his words can't be any clearer.






    He goes on to point out the MIC pushing against him whether figuratively or literally.






    Trump may speak like a common man, but are his words about the MIC any less significant than Eisenhowers? Somebody we cited to convince people that the MIC was real and not just a boogie man?






    Trump has always been against Iran- his campaign speeches were filled with anti-Iran rhetoric. I pointed this out many times during the whole election process.


    See what Donald Trump and the 2016 Republican Platform said about Iran and the Iran nuclear deal below.

    CANDIDATE SUMMARY

    Trump opposed the nuclear agreement with Iran. He said that he would renegotiate the deal or "dismantle" it as president.
    Republican Party Trump on Iran and the Iran nuclear deal

    During a campaign event in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on September 6, 2016, Donald Trump said that Iran was not a threat to the world until President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton began negotiating a nuclear deal with Iran, which made the country a "world power." He said, "If you take a look at Iran from four, five years ago they were dying. They had sanctions, they were being choked to death and they were dying. They weren't even going to be much of a threat. They didn't have anything going and now they're a power. Overnight, we've made them a power." He then called the nuclear deal "the highest level of incompetence."[9]

    After Reuters reported that the "United States and its negotiating partners agreed 'in secret' to allow Iran to evade some restrictions" required by the nuclear agreement, retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, a Trump foreign policy adviser, issued the following statement on September 1, 2016: “The deeply flawed nuclear deal Hillary Clinton secretly spearheaded with Iran looks worse and worse by the day. It’s now clear President Obama gave away the store to secure a weak agreement that is full of loopholes, never ultimately blocks Iran from nuclear weapons, emboldens our enemies and funds terrorism. Just last week, Iran once again took advantage of this and deployed a sophisticated Russian-made air defense system around one of its enrichment sites that directly challenges the U.S. position that all options are on the table. Hillary Clinton’s continued support of this dangerous deal, which undermines the long-term security interests of the United States and Israel, shows just how bad her judgment really is.”[10]

    On August 3, 2016, after The Wall Street Journal published a story explaining that the administration sent "[w]ooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies" to Iran "on an unmarked cargo plane" just before four Americans were released from an Iranian prison, Trump tweeted: "Our incompetent Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, was the one who started talks to give 400 million dollars, in cash, to Iran. Scandal!"[11]

    In a fact-checking article, The Associated Press wrote, "Trump is wrong about Clinton's involvement. The $400 million payment — plus $1.3 billion in interest to be paid later — is a separate issue from the Iran nuclear deal that Clinton initiated. The process that resulted in the payout started decades before she became secretary of state."[12]

    During an interview with The Daily Caller on July 4, 2016, Dr. Walid Phares, one of Trump’s top foreign policy advisers, said that Trump would not get rid of the nuclear deal with Iran. Phares said, "No, he’s not going to get rid of an agreement that has the institutional signature of the United States. He is a man of institutions. But he’s going to look back on it the institutional way. He’s said, so far that he doesn’t like this deal and that it was poorly negotiated. Once elected, he’s going to renegotiate it after talking through it with his advisers. One of the clear possibilities is he will send it back to Congress. The reaction of the Iranian leadership will be the next phase. So he is not going to implement it as is, he is going to revise it after negotiating one on one with Iran or with a series of allies.”[13]

    On April 27, 2016, Trump explained his views on a variety of foreign policy issues, including the nuclear deal with Iran. He said, "We’ve had a president who dislikes our friends and bows to our enemies. He negotiated a disastrous deal with Iran, and then we watched them ignore its terms, even before the ink was dry. Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and, under a Trump Administration, will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. All of this without even mentioning the humiliation of the United States with Iran’s treatment of our ten captured sailors. In negotiation, you must be willing to walk. The Iran deal, like so many of our worst agreements, is the result of not being willing to leave the table. When the other side knows you’re not going to walk, it becomes absolutely impossible to win."[14]

    During a speech at AIPAC's Policy Conference, Trump explained how he would deal with Iran as president. He said, "My number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran. I have been in business a long time. I know deal-making and let me tell you, this deal is catastrophic - for America, for Israel, and for the whole Middle East. The problem here is fundamental. We have rewarded the world's leading state sponsor of terror with $150 billion and we received absolutely nothing in return. I've studied this issue in greater detail than almost anybody. The biggest concern with the deal is not necessarily that Iran is going to violate it, although it already has, the bigger problem is that they can keep the terms and still get to the bomb by simply running out the clock, and, of course, they keep the billions. The deal doesn’t even require Iran to dismantle its military nuclear capability! Yes, it places limits on its military nuclear program for only a certain number of years. But when those restrictions expire, Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go, and with zero provision for delay no matter how bad Iran's behavior is. When I am president, I will adopt a strategy that focuses on three things when it comes to Iran. First, we will stand up to Iran’s aggressive push to destabilize and dominate the region. Iran is a very big problem and will continue to be, but if I'm elected President, I know how to deal with trouble. ... Secondly, we will totally dismantle Iran’s global terror network. Iran has seeded terror groups all over the world. During the last five years, Iran has perpetrated terror attacks in 25 different countries on five continents. They’ve got terror cells everywhere, including in the western hemisphere very close to home. Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world and we will work to dismantle that reach. Third, at the very least, we must hold Iran accountable by restructuring the terms of the previous deal. Iran has already - since the deal is in place - test-fired ballistic missiles three times. Those ballistic missiles, with a range of 1,250 miles, were designed to intimidate not only Israel, which is only 600 miles away but also intended to frighten Europe, and, someday, the United States."[15]

    On September 8, 2015, Trump authored an article for USA Today criticizing the Iran nuclear deal. “It was amateur hour for those charged with striking this deal with Iran, demonstrating to the world, yet again, the total incompetence of our president and politicians. It appears we wanted a deal at any cost rather than following the advice of Ronald Reagan and walking away because ‘no deal is better than a bad deal.' ... When I am elected president, I will renegotiate with Iran — right after I enable the immediate release of our American prisoners and ask Congress to impose new sanctions that stop Iran from having the ability to sponsor terrorism around the world. In fact, if I am elected, I am sure the prisoners will be released before my taking office.[16]

    In an interview with the Daily Caller published on September 7, 2015, Trump said of the Iran nuclear deal, "If somebody was telling me about how bad the contract is and how they hate the country — how do you sign a contract like this? And that’s the least of it. The contract is a disaster in virtually every way, and one way that people haven’t even talked about: they have an attack clause. If anybody attacks them, we have to protect them. What happens if Israel attacks them? Nobody has been able to answer that question yet, including [Secretary of State John] Kerry."[17]

    During Trump's speech announcing his candidacy for president on June 16, 2015, he suggested that a deal with Iran regarding nuclear weapons could destroy Israel.[18]

    In March 2015, when asked on "The O'Reilly Factor" why he thought negotiations with Iran were failing, Trump said the deal was taking too long to complete. Pointing to the Bowe Bergdahl exchange, Trump said the Iranians were "great negotiators" and the Obama administration contained "terrible negotiators." He also said that sanctions should have been doubled or tripled prior to negotiation and that Secretary of State John Kerry might have to walk away from the negotiating table.[19]

    In his 2011 book, Time to Get Tough, Trump stated, "America's primary goal with Iran must be to destroy its nuclear ambitions. Let me put them as plainly as I know how: Iran's nuclear program must be stopped–by any and all means necessary. Period. We cannot allow this radical regime to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or hand off to terrorists."[20]
    https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump...ign,_2016/Iran
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    Doesn't every president who gets us into a war say they don't like and want war? I thought that was pretty much de rigueur.



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    Quote Originally Posted by George W. Bush
    You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one.
    On a side note, this quote used to be all over YouTube. Has every copy been scrubbed?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Doesn't every president who gets us into a war say they don't like and want war? I thought that was pretty much de rigueur.
    They mean well, and have hearts like Jesus. They are pure, honest, care about human beings, and care about you and me. They need your vote. So that when they DO go to war, you will feel compassion and offer full support. Even during "re-election".

    Americans learning from past mistakes does not apply when concerning our country, or our president.


    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    They mean well, and have hearts like Jesus. They are pure, honest, care about human beings, and care about you and me. They need your vote. So that when they DO go to war, you will feel compassion and offer full support. Even during "re-election".

    Americans learning from past mistakes does not apply when concerning our country, or our president.


    Yep... And everything is absolutely set in stone forever and situations and relations NEVER change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Yep... And everything is absolutely set in stone forever and situations and relations NEVER change.
    Yes and no... when it comes to government, you can be assured that it will ALWAYS grow, grow, grow, not matter which "side" holds office. It is its own very nature.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Yes and no... when it comes to government, you can be assured that it will ALWAYS grow, grow, grow, not matter which "side" holds office. It is its own very nature.
    I absolutely agree with this concerning big government. What I am talking about is foreign relations. Everyone is basing their argument on an idea that everything is always stable and set in stone and never changes. In reality this just is not true. Things DO change and sometimes require a different approach. It is impossible to stick to one stable concept when all the opposing variables are not stable. Things change.

  25. #22
    Then perhaps Trump better put his big boy pants on and start acting like the alpha male he proclaims to be and not get us involved in another war.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    But of course Trump trash talks a lot and also changes his position on things all the time. "Iran not knowing what we are really thinking may be a good thing!" (or it could lead to a miscalculation and war).

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-20-2019 at 12:09 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-war...ons-with-iran/

    U.S. warns airliners flying over Persian Gulf amid tensions with Iran

    U.S. diplomats warned Saturday that commercial airliners flying over the wider Persian Gulf faced a risk of being "misidentified" amid heightened tensions between the U.S. and Iran.

    The warning relayed by U.S. diplomatic posts from the Federal Aviation Administration underlined the risks the tensions pose to a region crucial to global air travel. It also came as Lloyd's of London warned of increasing risks to maritime shipping in the region.

    The order relayed Saturday by U.S. diplomats in Kuwait and the UAE came from an FAA Notice to Airmen published late Thursday in the U.S. It said all commercial aircraft flying over the waters of Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman needed to be aware of "heightened military activities and increased political tension."


    This presents "an increasing inadvertent risk to U.S. civil aviation operations due to the potential for miscalculation or misidentification," the warning said. It also said aircraft could experience interference with its navigation instruments and communications jamming "with little to no warning."
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    This has to be satire.
    You have to be satire..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Doesn't every president who gets us into a war say they don't like and want war? I thought that was pretty much de rigueur.
    No, they don't. Bush campaigned on no nation building and less war, but when 9/11 happened his rhetoric completely shifted. He was gung-ho for war and wanted to destroy our enemies all over the planet.

    Trump, on the other hand, is trying to use our military to defeat the terrorist network Obama and Bush created and funded so that he doesn't feel bad when we pull out our troops.. but he has to use the same military industrial complex to complete the task. That isn't an easy thing to accomplish, Trump has done a tremendous job though.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Lots of talk here about Trump wanting war (an assumption based off his Bolton hiring?) with Iran. Its almost as if the Never-Trump / TDS / "all or nothing libertarians" want Trump to go to war so they can finally say, "I told you so!".



    But then you have his own words from his own mouth. Not some convoluted hiring or what other people said, might say, or allude to. And, in my opinion, his words can't be any clearer.






    He goes on to point out the MIC pushing against him whether figuratively or literally.






    Trump may speak like a common man, but are his words about the MIC any less significant than Eisenhowers? Somebody we cited to convince people that the MIC was real and not just a boogie man?
    Trump can't say he opposes the military industrial complex since he promotes the military links to industry with his appointment of a Boeing executive to be his Secretary of Defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump can't say he opposes the military industrial complex since he promotes the military links to industry with his appointment of a Boeing executive to be his Secretary of Defense.
    They clearly oppose him..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    They clearly oppose him..
    He only hires the best people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He only hires the best people.
    Is that not the best person to go in and destroy ISIS, which Obama and Bush created and our country is morally responsible for?

    If not, who?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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