Amash is saying Trump has engaged in an impeachable offense

[angelatc]

Judge Swamp is a bigger liar and TDS victim than Amash.

They are both participating in Treason.

Treason is clearly defined in the Constitution, and this isn't it. Your bunched-up panties are cutting off the circulation to your head.

[acptulsa]

Treason is clearly defined in the Constitution, and this isn't it. Your bunched-up panties are cutting off the circulation to your head.

That's not possible.

Clearly his brains aren't where you think they are.

[susano]

One thing I like that Trump has done is made it easier for people who are out of options to try experimental medicines

Called bull$#@! on global warming and got us out of that idiotic Paris Climate Accord.
Got us out of the UN Small Arms treaty.
Got us out of the TPP.
Has been relentless on trade deficits and working for more balanced and fair trade agreements.
Criminal justice reform, giving people with absurd sentences second chances.
Blew PC right out of the water.
Has and is working hard persisting with stopping the insane overrunning of our southern border and phony asylum claims - so far blocked by commie judges.
Got rid of the ACA insurance mandate.
Drove Hillary Satan Clinton insane.
Got the violent Marxists out and exposing themselves, to their detriment.
Continually making an issue about freedom of speech and censorship which will lead to a bigger show down with with mega tech.
Got rid of net neutrality.
Put the world on notice that US is a sovereign nation who won't bow to international orgs.

Lots more and I know there are lists out there.

[UWDude]

Oh, stop being a drama queen. Treasonous coup attempt? That ridiculous.

That's not hyperbole. Making up a fake investigation accusing the duly elected president of the United States of being an agent of Russia, then trying to use that narrative AND THE FBI (knowingly ignoring that all evidence is baseless and well known to be faulty), to defeat him in the 2018 elections (which failed, but had they won.....), is treason. Had they had their way, and impeached trump, or had a blue wave, and were able to get him imprisoned... ...they were hoping for a win, no doubt about it, so they could cover up this treachery.
It is high treason, and people must hang for it.

You don't get to use the Army to topple the president of the United States. That is a coup. That is treason.
Likewise, you do not get to use the FBI to topple the president of the United States. That is also a coup. That is also treason.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh? So tell us. If his principles didn't get him into this mess, what did?

Oh, yeah. Admitting that someone could stand against Trump on principles is against your principles. Except they aren't principles, are they? It's just blind partisanship.

His lie is totally unprincipled and based on his own business interests.

[Swordsmyth]

Treason is clearly defined in the Constitution, and this isn't it. Your bunched-up panties are cutting off the circulation to your head.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

That's not hyperbole. Making up a fake investigation accusing the duly elected president of the United States of being an agent of Russia, then trying to use that narrative (knowingly ignoring that all evidence is baseless and well known to be faulty), to defeat him in the 2018 elections (which failed, but had they won.....), is treason. Had they had their way, and impeached trump, or had a blue wave, and were able to get him imprisoned... ...they were hoping for a win, no doubt about it, so they could cover up this treachery.
It is high treason, and people must hang for it.

You don't get to use the Army to topple the president of the United States. That is a coup.
Likewise, you do not get to use the FBI to topple the United States. That is also a coup.

They conspired with foreign governments to overthrow the lawful government selected by the people with lies, that is "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".

[enhanced_deficit]

Is Amash trying to lose his reelection? I'm sure his constituents don't like what hes doing.

I hope he's not trying to sink massive investment of casino owner and respected neoconservative Sheldon Adelson in MAGA election at a very critical time in our government's functioning:

Amash's presidential decision could spell trouble for Trump in Michigan

[Swordsmyth]

I hope he's not trying to sink massive investment of casino owner and respected neoconservative Sheldon Adelson in MAGA election at a very critical time in our government's functioning:

Amash's presidential decision could spell trouble for Trump in Michigan

2 Kings
Chapter 14

8 Then Amaziah sent messengers to Jehoash, the son of Jehoahaz son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, Come, let us look one another in the face.
9 And Jehoash the king of Israel sent to Amaziah king of Judah, saying, The thistle that was in Lebanon sent to the cedar that was in Lebanon, saying, Give thy daughter to my son to wife: and there passed by a wild beast that was in Lebanon, and trode down the thistle.
10 Thou hast indeed smitten Edom, and thine heart hath lifted thee up: glory of this, and tarry at home: for why shouldest thou meddle to thy hurt, that thou shouldest fall, even thou, and Judah with thee?
11 But Amaziah would not hear. Therefore Jehoash king of Israel went up; and he and Amaziah king of Judah looked one another in the face at Bethshemesh, which belongeth to Judah.
12 And Judah was put to the worse before Israel; and they fled every man to their tents.
13 And Jehoash king of Israel took Amaziah king of Judah, the son of Jehoash the son of Ahaziah, at Bethshemesh, and came to Jerusalem, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem from the gate of Ephraim unto the corner gate, four hundred cubits.
14 And he took all the gold and silver, and all the vessels that were found in the house of the LORD, and in the treasures of the king's house, and hostages, and returned to Samaria.

[Swordsmyth]

China.



Republican Senator and failed presidential candidate Mitt Romney congratulated Justin Amash for endorsing the impeachment of President Trump, speaking to CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday.
Curiously, Romney expressed praise for Amash’s decision to call for impeachment while declining to endorse it personally. He told Tapper that he “had reached a different conclusion” than Amash had, leaving the Michigan libertarian the only federal Republican legislator to take a stance in support of removing Trump from office.
Tapper presented Romney with a hilariously “softball-style” interview on his segment on CNN, outright worshipping the Utah Senator when he claimed that he was someone who “personally conducted himself according to a certain set of moral and ethical principles throughout his entire life.” He went on to goad Romney to critique the President from a moral high ground.
In reality, Romney made millions of dollars by destroying countless American jobs during his tenure at Bain Capital. He was in charge of eliminating and outsourcing jobs at American companies, sending them to China and India where executives could utilize cheap labor.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/mitt-r...s-impeachment/

[Schifference]

Impeachment is political and will happen at the strategic time. They will drag Trump thru the mud. Why will anyone want to re-elect a president that is being impeached? We do not want to impeach him too soon. Get every piece of chit and pick up every stone and be ready to throw it at MAGA. The biggest smear campaign has yet to begin. I said a while back that I would walk away from it if I were Trump. What does he need this for? What does Thomas Massie need politics for? He is independently wealthy. Politics does not make Thomas's life easier. How hard would Thomas fight to get re-elected? Screw that chit. Fuch dat. Go live with your loving family in Kentucky and develop some other time saving concepts that make your life easier. Thomas Massie works for the people because the people wanted him to represent them. Does anyone seriously think that Biden, or Sanders, or Rand Paul would be a better president? What was Trumps agenda for being president? Was he trying to build name recognition or promote his image? Was he trying to become a wealthy businessman? Was he trying to help his daughter jump start a clothing or beauty product line? Imagine Jackie Kennedy or Michelle Obama or one of their adult daughters if they had one while first lady start a beauty product or clothing line. They would be on every show being acclaimed as an empowered woman with a fashion line that liberals would literally kill people waiting in line in front of them so they could get the last one.

[Superfluous Man]

I said a while back that I would walk away from it if I were Trump. What does he need this for?

That is a very good question that I don't think gets asked enough. How does Trump benefit from being president? I think the simplest answer is probably that he sees long-term advantages or amelioration of existing disadvantages for his and his family's personal wealth as a result of leverage they will acquire or policies he can get changed (or stop from getting changed) through his tenure as president. To determine if another 4 years would be more advantageous requires getting into specifics. I don't know the answer to that.

[Working Poor]

I wonder what in the hell is really going on?

[Schifference]

That is a very good question that I don't think gets asked enough. How does Trump benefit from being president? I think the simplest answer is probably that he sees long-term advantages or amelioration of existing disadvantages for his and his family's personal wealth as a result of leverage they will acquire or policies he can get changed (or stop from getting changed) through his tenure as president. To determine if another 4 years would be more advantageous requires getting into specifics. I don't know the answer to that.

Does every President or politician seek and or remain in said position for personal gain? Is Thomas Massie a politician to enhance his personal aspirations? Why did Ron or Rand Paul want to be in Congress, Senate or be POTUS? For personal gain? Why would someone assume that the candidate they like are a politician for selfless reasons but everyone else is for personal gain.

[Superfluous Man]

Does every President or politician seek and or remain in said position for personal gain?

Not necessarily. But most have nefarious motives. And I can't imagine that Trump is motivated by any deeper ethical principles. Apart from his shallow America-first rhetoric, he doesn't even pretend to be. He's pretty open about his self-centeredness, don't you think? Certainly more than most politicians are, and I think for his supporters that openness is something they're usually attracted to about him.

Comparing him to the Pauls or Amash or Massie is kind of funny really. Don't you agree?

[Schifference]

Not necessarily. But most have nefarious motives. And I can't imagine that Trump is motivated by any deeper ethical principles. Apart from his shallow America-first rhetoric, he doesn't even pretend to be. He's pretty open about his self-centeredness, don't you think? Certainly more than most politicians are, and I think for his supporters that openness is something they're usually attracted to about him.

Comparing him to the Pauls or Amash or Massie is kind of funny really. Don't you agree?

I cannot speak for any person's motives except my own. Didn't Ron keep taking donations even though he was not continuing his race? Did he not give back money that he should have? IDK. Did Ron promote economic crash for gain of personal wealth? Did Ron make millions of dollars promoting newsletters? IDK. Are Ron's intentions always pure? IDK. If there is a God only that entity would know or be able to judge. Often times our own perceptions are skewed and we don't even interpret our own actions realistically.

[Todd]

Amash has TDS and is turning into the next Jeff Flake.

Yep. Your a complete moron. You can't even tell who is the enemy and who is the friend of liberty.

[Superfluous Man]

I cannot speak for any person's motives except my own.

If the question you asked above, that I quoted in post 341, was a rhetorical question (which is what it looks like to me), then that implies that you do think you can speak for Trump's motives. Of course we can't have complete knowledge of another's invisible thoughts. But we're not entirely in the dark about them either.

[nobody's_hero]

I'd still like to know...

Serious question:

What did Trump do, specifically, to "obstruct justice"?

Did he himself, or did he order evidence destroyed?

Did he order people to lie under oath?

Did he delete or erase digital evidence?

I'm seriously asking of anybody who has read the report in depth.

People probably thought you were asking about Hillary. Seems to be a pretty accurate checklist for her.

[acptulsa]

His lie is totally unprincipled and based on his own business interests.

How will this help Amash's business interests? Are you old enough to remember how many years Clinton's impeachment took? Do you have one shred of evidence that Pence would change one single tariff?

Tell. Me. How. Get that knot out of your panties, restore circulation to that brain, and tell us all how a smart man like Justin Amash could possibly think for one second that doing this could benefit a company that manufactures in China.

This theory holds no water. It is stupid.

[Mr.NoSmile]

And now Amash got himself another primary challenger- the first since Brian Ellis, this time in the form of State Rep. Jim Lower:

The state’s congressional districts are set to be redrawn before 2020, making his reelection prospects difficult to gauge. The district currently covers Grand Rapids and its exurbs.

Lower announced his challenge to Amash in a release on Sunday.

“I am a Pro-Trump, Pro-Life, Pro-Jobs, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Family Values Republican,” he said. “Justin Amash’s tweets yesterday calling for President Trump’s impeachment show how out of touch he is with the truth and how out of touch he is with people he represents.”

The state lawmaker, who became a county commissioner in 2011 at the age of 21, accused Amash of joining hands with “radical liberals” — naming Tlaib in particular — “to try and bring down our President.” On most issues, a chasm separates Amash from the liberal firebrand.

Lower said that his candidacy had been in the works for two months and that he had been planning to announce around July 4. He sped up his timetable in response to Amash’s tweets. In his announcement, he touted his working-class roots, saying he had put himself through college at Michigan State University and business school at Grand Valley State University by working full-time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ary-challenge/

[Superfluous Man]

And now Amash got himself another primary challenger- the first since Brian Ellis, this time in the form of State Rep. Jim Lower:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ary-challenge/

That sounds so much like the primary challengers they put up against Ron Paul.

[familydog]

Has Rand read through the report?

He has. He has also stated that we need to move on with our lives and Trump did nothing wrong. Again, either Amash is correct or Rand is correct.

[Superfluous Man]

He has. He has also stated that we need to move on with our lives and Trump did nothing wrong. Again, either Amash is correct or Rand is correct.

Or it's a matter of opinion and they're both reasonable.

[familydog]

Or it's a matter of opinion and they're both reasonable.

Is law/ethics a matter of subjective preference?

[specsaregood]

He has. He has also stated that we need to move on with our lives and Trump did nothing wrong. Again, either Amash is correct or Rand is correct.

I'm of the opinion that its all bull$#@!; BUT with that said, their views could be partly based on their different roles. The House (Amash) role is to vote on impeachment, the Senates role is to vote on removal from office for impeachment.

[Superfluous Man]

Is law/ethics a matter of subjective preference?

No. But political expediency is.

[familydog]

No. But political expediency is.

Which is the political opportunist?

[familydog]

I'm of the opinion that its all bull$#@!; BUT with that said, their views could be partly based on their different roles. The House (Amash) role is to vote on impeachment, the Senates role is to vote on removal from office for impeachment.

True. However, they are looking at the same evidence and reaching polar opposite conclusions. Something is amiss.

[Superfluous Man]

Which is the political opportunist?

You're reading things into my words that you will notice I never said.

[familydog]

You're reading things into my words that you will notice I never said.

Perhaps precise language is needed on your part.