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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Perhaps precise language is needed on your part.
    I have used precise language to say what I mean. You will notice that you have now more than once replied to me implying that I said different things than what I precisely said. It's actually you who took my precision and muddled it with reinterpretations of your own.

    For example, I never once said anything about law or ethics being matters of opinion, nor that anyone was a political opportunist.



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  3. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I have used precise language to say what I mean. You will notice that you have now more than once replied to me implying that I said different things than what I precisely said. It's actually you who took my precision and muddled it with reinterpretations of your own.

    For example, I never once said anything about law or ethics being matters of opinion, nor that anyone was a political opportunist.
    Don't fog me, bro.

  4. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Trump has endorsed candidates who've won.
    Of course some won. I was being hyperbolic. But also when you dig into the endorsements you see that the win total was around 50% and his endorsements were in "safe" R races. So looking at it from a statistical perspective, only about half of his endorsements won and that's in races they probably should have won. Trump doesn't endorse in primaries, any way, from what I can find on the topic, so the notion that he would endorse a primary opponent of Amash's seems unrealistic.

    There is no such crime as "collusion" and Amash is alleging obstruction on a two year + deep state operation and "investigation" of of said non crime (fishing expedition) in which the corrupt conspirators tried to frame the president and numerous others.

    Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent.

    “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin’s death in 1953,

    Beria targeted “the man” first, then proceeded to find or fabricate a crime. Beria’s modus operandi was to presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. By contrast, under the United States Constitution, there’s a presumption of innocence that emanates from the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments, as set forth in Coffin vs. U.S. (1895).

    Unlike Beria’s paradigm, U.S. prosecutions start with the discovery of a crime. Then there’s an investigation to find or confirm the identity of the perpetrator and collect evidence to prove his or her guilt.


    https://www.oxfordeagle.com/2018/05/...you-the-crime/


    But never mind all that. Orange man bad. Impeach!
    The truly hilarious part of all this is that Trump has very, very well documented connections with Russian oligarchs, such as Oleg Deripaska. Either that's the redacted content or was omitted entirely from the report, since no one ever mentions it (I haven't read the report and I'm ok admitting that). If that info was omitted or censored then the real basis for a collusion investigation is definitely there but is being suppressed. It's most certainly not factual to claim that Trump has no connections with Russians that could have funded giant political operations on his behalf. I don't know and I think it's a big intentional "reality tv" distraction but Trump's connections with Russians can't be denied. I'm happy to provide detailed links if you wish.
    Last edited by devil21; 05-20-2019 at 09:23 AM.
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  5. #364


    Perhaps this is a matter of opinion, but it doesn't sound unreasonable.

  6. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'd still like to know...
    From the various commentaries I've read, it was more a case of attempting to obstruct but that no one followed his orders that would have obstructed anything.

    IOW, a fictitious example:
    Trump: Hey staffer, call Mr. X and tell him not to speak to investigators.
    Staffer: Ok boss, I'll get right on it.
    (Staffer goes back to playing Candy Crush)

    Here's a detailed write-up
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruct...eport-heat-map
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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  7. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post


    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...952236546?s=21

    Way to call a spade a spade, even if it means getting the GOP all up in arms. Love his pinned tweet too regarding Washington’s quote on towing the party line.

    "Let me now...warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally."
    —George Washington
    I would say, "Now watch the Trump Bots come out in force," but they already have. They'll swarm over everything and swallow all the $#@! they have to in order to defend Cheeto Mussolini.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan

  8. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    That sounds so much like the primary challengers they put up against Ron Paul.
    That is exactly what it is- the Party immediately seeks to destroy anyone who questions the narrative.
    “Maybe I forgot to mention something to you: I don’t believe in queens. You think freedom is something you can give and take on a whim. But to your people, freedom is as essential as air. And without it, there is no life. There is only darkness.” -Zaheer

    "A man chooses. A slave obeys."-Andrew Ryan

    "There are three things the parasite hates: free markets, free will, and free men."-Andrew Ryan

  9. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I would say, "Now watch the Trump Bots come out in force," but they already have. They'll swarm over everything and swallow all the $#@! they have to in order to defend Cheeto Mussolini.
    Normally they put on a good front at being friendly to liberty lovers. But if said liberty lover dares to criticize Trump, the facade is the first to go. Making in roads with libertarians is a secondary goal compared to defending Trump.



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  11. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Of course some won. I was being hyperbolic. But also when you dig into the endorsements you see that the win total was around 50% and his endorsements were in "safe" R races. So looking at it from a statistical perspective, only about half of his endorsements won and that's in races they probably should have won. Trump doesn't endorse in primaries, any way, from what I can find on the topic, so the notion that he would endorse a primary opponent of Amash's seems unrealistic.



    The truly hilarious part of all this is that Trump has very, very well documented connections with Russian oligarchs, such as Oleg Deripaska. Either that's the redacted content or was omitted entirely from the report, since no one ever mentions it (I haven't read the report and I'm ok admitting that). If that info was omitted or censored then the real basis for a collusion investigation is definitely there but is being suppressed. It's most certainly not factual to claim that Trump has no connections with Russians that could have funded giant political operations on his behalf. I don't know and I think it's a big intentional "reality tv" distraction but Trump's connections with Russians can't be denied. I'm happy to provide detailed links if you wish.
    There was no election meddling, it was all a lie from the Intel agencies. Seth Rich leaked DNC emails to Wikileaks. The FBI never investigated the DNC severs, it was a private company hired by the DNC that has Ukranian ties called Crowdstrike.

  12. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I would say, "Now watch the Trump Bots come out in force," but they already have. They'll swarm over everything and swallow all the $#@! they have to in order to defend Cheeto Mussolini.
    And someone on a libertarian forum lumps everyone into a collective (Trump bots, seriously?) to anyone suggesting that the obstruction charge is BS. Oh well, "orange man bad" I guess.
    Last edited by Son_of_Liberty90; 05-20-2019 at 10:09 AM.

  13. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    And anyone saying that the obstruction charge is BS, is met with "orange man bad".
    It's worse than that. Anyone who is not pure and absolutely perfect is bad. There are some pretty unrealistic expectations that will NEVER be satisfied.

  14. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    There was no election meddling, it was all a lie from the Intel agencies. Seth Rich leaked DNC emails to Wikileaks. The FBI never investigated the DNC severs, it was a private company hired by the DNC that has Ukranian ties called Crowdstrike.
    That's great and all but doesn't address that the real basis for any collusion investigation seems to be omitted/suppressed and red herrings laid out for the public instead. If Trump's well documented connections with Russian oligarchs isn't part of the story then the entire thing must be dismissed as intentionally misleading.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    Visiting the Outer Banks of NC?
    Outer Banks NC Fishing Boat Rentals

  15. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It's worse than that. Anyone who is not pure and absolutely perfect is bad. There are some pretty unrealistic expectations that will NEVER be satisfied.
    I used to think that way too. I was going to vote for Gary Johnson in 2016. But as it was approaching election day, I was looking at everyone who was against Trump - media, corporations, leftwingers/Marxists, government bureaucrats, voting Trump for me was like a giant "F--- you" to the system. Still have tons of issues with his presidency, and am worried about what's going to happen with Iran, but when he got elected, it was like every Marxist/bureaucrat leech in Washington ripped their masks of and revealed their true faces. The reactions I've seen from grown adults from one duly elected president has been startling, to say the least.

  16. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    I used to think that way too. I was going to vote for Gary Johnson in 2016. But as it was approaching election day, I was looking at everyone who was against Trump - media, corporations, leftwingers/Marxists, government bureaucrats, voting Trump for me was like a giant "F--- you" to the system. Still have tons of issues with his presidency, and am worried about what's going to happen with Iran, but when he got elected, it was like every Marxist/bureaucrat leech in Washington ripped their masks of and revealed their true faces. The reactions I've seen from grown adults from one duly elected president has been startling, to say the least.
    I was too when I backed Ron, and I backed Rand. But the main thing for me was the last chance survival of our Republic. The alternative with Hillary communism just had to be stopped with any and every tool available perfect or not. There was no other option, we were up against the wall principles be damned. I realized it was absolutely stupid to allow this to happen based on very unrealistic and impractical ideology. And know what? we are still in survival mode and this fact needs to be considered. We WILL be a communist nation if the left wins next election. Another delay just might give us time to find someone better and more principled before communism can be implemented. Count on it... If Trump loses we WILL become a communist state within 4 years of democrat control.

  17. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I was too when I backed Ron, and I backed Rand. But the main thing for me was the last chance survival of our Republic. The alternative with Hillary communism just had to be stopped with any and every tool available perfect or not. There was no other option, we were up against the wall principles be damned. I realized it was absolutely stupid to allow this to happen based on very unrealistic and impractical ideology. And know what? we are still in survival mode and this fact needs to be considered. We WILL be a communist nation if the left wins next election. Another delay just might give us time to find someone better and more principled before communism can be implemented. Count on it... If Trump loses we WILL become a communist state within 4 years of democrat control.
    I can't disagree with you. Everyone running on the Democrat side is pretty much an open communist.

  18. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    I can't disagree with you. Everyone running on the Democrat side is pretty much an open communist.
    We had wiggle room and it was not a do or die situation before. But not anymore.



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  20. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    And someone on a libertarian forum lumps everyone into a collective (Trump bots, seriously?) to anyone suggesting that the obstruction charge is BS. Oh well, "orange man bad" I guess.
    One must remember that near everybody here attacking Trump for this are of the ideology where they WANT the US govt to collapse into anarchy. Impeaching trump and removal from office would go a long ways towards making that happen, we all have our own motivations.

  21. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    One must remember that near everybody here attacking Trump for this are of the ideology where they WANT the US govt to collapse into anarchy. Impeaching trump and removal from office would go a long ways towards making that happen, we all have our own motivations.
    Many are also embracing communism hoping for this same outcome too. They want to burn it down in any way possible. Problem is, that is NOT how it will work, it is a gross misconception.

  22. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I wonder what in the hell is really going on?
    Me too , my gut instinct is Amash has decided to move on to something else .
    Do something Danke

  23. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Many are also embracing communism hoping for this same outcome too. They want to burn it down in any way possible. Problem is, that is NOT how it will work, it is a gross misconception.
    but socialism will always collapse

  24. #381
    I'm curious how much of this boils down to Trump refusing to 'donate' millions to Club For Growth Action, Amash's leading financial contributor?

  25. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Leaning Libertarian View Post
    I'm curious how much of this boils down to Trump refusing to 'donate' millions to Club For Growth Action, Amash's leading financial contributor?
    It's safe to say that that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

  26. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    but socialism will always collapse
    We won't see it in our lifetime, our Grandchildren or Great Grandchildren might see it. But in the meantime they will have to suffer through what we created. Does anyone really think that opening this door will actually be better than a Republic even if imperfect? To even think so is absolute insanity.

  27. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Leaning Libertarian View Post
    I'm curious how much of this boils down to Trump refusing to 'donate' millions to Club For Growth Action, Amash's leading financial contributor?
    Somewhere earlier in this thread the possible reasons are shared. He might be setting himself up for a run. And Trump's tariffs are directly affecting Amash's own personal Chinese/American tool company. The links are there also.



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  29. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Me too , my gut instinct is Amash has decided to move on to something else .
    In the meantime... Just as it was about over, he fanned the flames.

    Adam Schiff Predictably Pounces on Republican’s Call for Impeachment

    https://newsthud.com/adam-schiff-pre...r-impeachment/

  30. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I would say, "Now watch the Trump Bots come out in force," but they already have. They'll swarm over everything and swallow all the $#@! they have to in order to defend Cheeto Mussolini.
    If only they would all come out in force, and follow you.
    You clearly are the most sane, intelligent, and logical person that could ever take the helms of the world.
    Imagine the peace and prosperity a man like you would bring!
    Keep up the fight, brother.
    A few more posts, and the world will finally realize that YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!

  31. #387
    Retweet...

    There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator
    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

    RAND 20/20

  32. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    In the meantime... Just as it was about over, he fanned the flames.

    Adam Schiff Predictably Pounces on Republican’s Call for Impeachment

    https://newsthud.com/adam-schiff-pre...r-impeachment/
    If I lived in his district I would be taking a look at what real illegal activities he was up to . Not pretend ones , lol
    Do something Danke

  33. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    One must remember that near everybody here attacking Trump for this are of the ideology where they WANT the US govt to collapse into anarchy. Impeaching trump and removal from office would go a long ways towards making that happen, we all have our own motivations.
    I had not really given that much thought .
    Do something Danke

  34. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I lived in his district I would be taking a look at what real illegal activities he was up to . Not pretend ones , lol
    Unlike this crap, Legitimate violations would be hard to argue against for sure.

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