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    The Logan Act Is Awful and No, It's Not Going To Be Used Against John Kerry

    The Logan Act Is Awful and No, It's Not Going To Be Used Against John Kerry

    This law is always being invoked in order to threaten political opponents, showing how it violates free speech protections.
    SCOTT SHACKFORD | 5.14.2019 12:35 PM

    The Logan Act is back in the news, and its invocation is as breathtakingly stupid as it has always been.

    This time, President Donald Trump wants to use it against John Kerry, who has been meeting with Iranian officials to apparently attempt to somehow salvage vestiges of the nuclear agreement between them and the United States that Trump has backed out of.

    The Logan Act makes it a federal crime for a private American citizen to engage in any communication or correspondence with a foreign government that intervenes in a dispute with the United States and that government in order to "defeat" any measures by the U.S.

    The law has been around since 1799, yet nobody has ever been prosecuted for violating it (two people have been indicted but never prosecuted). Attempting to enforce the law would demonstrate just how thoroughly it violates the free speech rights of Americans.

    Trump has complained about Kerry's behavior on Twitter and to the press, saying Kerry is violating the Logan Act. On Monday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr asking him to investigate whether Kerry's behavior is indeed in violation.

    Trump raising the specter of the Logan Act follows a very clear trend that goes all the way back to the law's roots. The person or political party in control of American foreign policy wants to use it to punish a political opponent for openly speaking and attempting to influence foreign governments in ways they don't like. In this case, the Trump administration is itching for war with Iran. Kerry is trying to prevent it.

    This attempt to criminalize speech in the Logan Act was designed for the very purpose of punishing political opponents. In fact, the law was written back in 1799 in a situation much like this one, where a private American citizen, Philadelphia Quaker George Logan, attempted to negotiate with France to stop an undeclared sea war between the two countries. Logan's actions pissed off the Federalist Party, and they pushed the bill through Congress.

    The law's roots are entirely political and are not based on any actual threat that speech between a citizen and foreign government would somehow undermine America's foreign policies. The history of the Logan Act has entirely revolved around members of one political party trying to use it against another.

    In fact, Trump's presidential campaign has been on the other end of this nonsense as well. Back in 2017, experts in the Logan Act suggested that Mike Flynn, part of Trump's post-election transition team, may have violated the law by discussing with a Russian diplomat potential responses to U.S. sanctions and a United Nations vote condemning Israeli settlements.

    The invocation of the law was stupid then—particularly since Trump was preparing to take office and take control over the country's foreign policy—and it's just as stupid now. As I noted at the time, bringing up the Logan Act was clearly a way to try to get at Trump and those connected to him because proving corruption is hard and people were looking to grab anything they could to try to get him out of office. It didn't work. Using it against Kerry won't work, either.

    I suspect nothing will come of this nonsense and it will get dropped. Part of me hopes the Justice Department will attempt to charge Kerry with violations of the Logan Act, if only so that the courts will toss the law out as unconstitutional. Instead, though, it will just sit around like this and periodically be used to insist to the public that political opponents are committing crimes by talking to and negotiating with foreign governments.
    https://reason.com/2019/05/14/the-lo...st-john-kerry/

    Couldn't agree more with this article. I have never liked the whole idea of it but this just put my idea of it on paper.

    @Brian4Liberty please need some help fixing the title. Thanks in advance
    Last edited by juleswin; 05-18-2019 at 10:33 AM.
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    I never pictured Kerry at walmart , do they have yachts in the tire dept now ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I never pictured Kerry at walmart , do they have yachts in the tire dept now ?
    You would be surprised what you can find in Walmart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    What President Trump doesn’t understand about the Logan Act - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-the-Logan-Act

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    What President Trump doesn’t understand about the Logan Act - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-the-Logan-Act
    That was a bit confusing, I came out more confused after reading that article. But thanks for pointing me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You would be surprised what you can find in Walmart.
    Lol... Yep... (couldn't help it)

    Oops, images didn't work... Never mind.
    Last edited by ATruepatriot; 05-18-2019 at 10:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Edit: I goofed with the title of this thread, can one of u mods @Brian4Liberty help me fix it?


    There may be a time limit to change a headline, but try going to "edit post" and then choose "go advanced".
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    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There may be a time limit to change a headline, but try going to "edit post" and then choose "go advanced".
    Zippy ftw and some people dare say you are a good for nothing member

    Thanks for the help
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There may be a time limit to change a headline, but try going to "edit post" and then choose "go advanced".
    I saw the slot to change headline but it did not work. I must have gone past the deadline
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Mods please edit the title of the thread for me.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Mods please edit the title of the thread for me.
    OK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    OK
    You've been here too long, they should make u a mod. I bet u would have changed the title as soon as u logged.

    Vote Danke for RPF mod
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Question Kerry opposed to Wal-Marx raising prices

    Due to forces beyond our control (Satin) John F'n Kerry is....
     
    Better Than Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Mods please edit the title of the thread for me.
    Done. FYI, it is best to use the report function to request title edits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Zippy ftw and some people dare say you are a good for nothing member

    Thanks for the help
    If I knew how to fix it I would have told you . As an old soldier I know more about breaking electronics than fixing them . @Danke should know .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Due to forces beyond our control (Satin) John F'n Kerry is....
     
    Better Than Trump
    LOL . I like it.
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Due to forces beyond our control (Satin) John F'n Kerry is....
     
    Better Than Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You've been here too long, they should make u a mod. I bet u would have changed the title as soon as u logged.

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