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    Thumbs down Big sink: Troubling Fox News poll shows 2020 loss

    Nototorious neocon outlet Foxnews , that has pushed lot of fakewnews in the past, is at it again and now showing MAGA losing to Biden, Sanders and even Liz warren. This on top of very negative Drudge headline that has been put up today.
    If Foxnews has joined Deep Stage to play 3D with public perceptions, this is even more disappointing.










    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox...emocratic-race



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    Trump will probably bury them during the debates.

    Just wish Rand was running.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

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    Actually those numbers look pretty good considering it is probably a poll of 1K Dems in NY . Within a margin of error pretty much everywhere except for Biden which is who they have been padding in the polls . Imagine the surprise when they get to NH and Sanders wins it by 30 percent in the dem primary .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Actually those numbers look pretty good considering it is probably a poll of 1K Dems in NY . .
    To be devil's advo, Foxnews is seens as Republican/conservative/neoconservative leaning.

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    If there are more TV ads agaisnt Joe Biden running of him sniffing those children, that could sink his chances.
    lol electing Joe Biden wont chance anything.

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    LOL

    Faux is running hard to the left and their polls were never exactly trustworthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Faux is running hard to the left and their polls were never exactly trustworthy.
    Question is why are Foxnews and Drudge now turning anti-MAGA in crucial months before 2020... Deep State?


    Trump praises Fox News show as ‘MANDATORY watching’

    09/16/18

    Trump often praises Fox News and its coverage of him while blasting competitors like CNN as "fake news."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-to-understand

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    Lightbulb Fake News poll - desperate attempt to turn out the vote

    They're trying to turn out a panic bushtrumpbot voting rally with this FakeNews poll.

    Their desperation and grasping at straws this early in the game, shows how weak Trump's support really is. He's lost most of his base due to his incessant lying and flip-flopping.


    Flip

    & Flop
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    They're trying to turn out a panic bushtrumpbot voting rally with this FakeNews poll.

    Their desperation and grasping at straws this early in the game, shows how weak Trump's support really is. He's lost most of his base due to his incessant lying and flip-flopping.


    Flip

    & Flop
    The World Turned Upside Down

    This is the left trying to encourage their voters and discourage Trump's.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post


    He who must not be mentioned Bill Weld is nowhere to be found in this Faux News poll. He could kick Joe Biden's azz.



    Google Bill Weld
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    He who must not be mentioned Bill Weld is nowhere to be found in this Faux News poll. He could kick Joe Biden's azz.



    Google Bill Weld
    #LosersForWeld.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Fox News has been shut out of the Democrat debates. Maybe they are trying to manipulate themselves back into DNC relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Trump will probably bury them during the debates.

    Just wish Rand was running.
    Probably true in case of almost all of Dems on the scene, if Rand or another credible GOP cadidate primaried him, than GOP-Adelson wing could be toast.

    But Biden can be dangerous, he seems Deep Stage acceptable and if fed by any insider questions, in debates could unravel MAGA who will no longer be underdog and his strengths/weaknesses are well known now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Faux is running hard to the left and their polls were never exactly trustworthy.
    EM.
    Increasing number of conservatives lately also see MAGA as running to the left on various issues (bump stocks, 2nd amendment, LGBT, Borders, DACA, Bolsheviks etc).

    But are you suggesting MAGA was tweeting un-trustworthy polls few weeks ago?






    Related

    How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    They're trying to turn out a panic bushtrumpbot voting rally with this FakeNews poll.
    So Foxnews doing 3D on GOP bases..., that is an interesting theory.


    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post

    Their desperation and grasping at straws this early in the game, shows how weak Trump's support really is. He's lost most of his base due to his incessant lying and flip-flopping.


    Flip

    & Flop


    Granted he used to be a liberal democrat and funded Hillary but currently he identifies as a Conservative NY Republican. Many politicians flip flop, why single out just MAGA. Judging a politician by placing his/her past positions next to current positions is an overly harsh standard, we should give politicians room to grow and evolve as they age.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    A truth bomb from Chuck Baldwin. Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin for president on the Constitution Party ticket, in 2008. Couldn't go for Barr, McCain and the like (Better than Obama?).
    Paul has endorsed Baldwin

    TRUMP LIED!



    MAGA is not perfect and all donors funded politicians lie to some extent but some of the criticism is also out of line and not appropriate for a sitting POTUS:


    Coulter on Trump: "joke presidency who scammed the American people"



    But according to GOA leadership, Constituional protections are being eroded here also, although they crossed the line and used the f-word:





    'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage

    'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now'

    Thursday 1 March 2018

    Donald Trump has sparked fury among gun owners and conservatives after repeatedly backing proposals to tighten gun control laws.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8234606.html

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    There's still a year and a half, and this is what they like to do. They all make a horse race out of it, and nothing's better than a SUUUURGE.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    #LosersForWeld.
    Oh, lookie here! High school bully tactics based on the premise that allowing yourself to be herded like a sheep increases the odds you'll vote for the winner, no matter how awful the winner is. A textbook example of the methods the Deep State uses to keep us from voting for someone who might represent us. Elections reduced from discussions of issues to name-calling. All the very tactics used over the decades to get us into this screwed position, all rolled up in one obnoxious, low-value, repetitive post!

    Remember, children! Voting for a winner feels good! So everybody rally around the guy the MSM gives the most attention to, no matter how bad! There's no point in trying to set a precedent that would do the people some good, like a party primarying a sitting president for breaking every single one of his promises. Only losers and dorks and nerds go out on a limb. Isn't that the attitude this place was founded on?

    Hurrah! Want a trophy? I'm sure the MSM and Deep State have one for you! Or, at least, they'd have one for you if your efforts on their behalf had an ounce of subtlety, class or originality.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-18-2019 at 07:00 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, lookie here! High school bully tactics based on the premise that allowing yourself to be herded like a sheep increases the odds you'll vote for the winner, no matter how awful the winner is. A textbook example of the methods the Deep State uses to keep us from voting for someone who might represent us. Elections reduced from discussions of issues to name-calling. All the very tactics used over the decades to get us into this screwed position, all rolled up in one obnoxious, low-value, repetitive post!

    Remember, children! Voting for a winner feels good! So everybody rally around the guy the MSM gives the most attention to, no matter how bad! There's no point in trying to set a precedent that would do the people some good, like a party primarying a sitting president for breaking every single one of his promises. Only losers and dorks and nerds go out on a limb. Isn't that the attitude this place was founded on?

    Hurrah! Want a trophy? I'm sure the MSM and Deep State have one for you! Or, at least, they'd have one for you if your efforts on their behalf had an ounce of subtlety, class or originality.
    Curious why you care? You would vote Commie and hate on any republican if they win anyway? Tactic to divide voter base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Curious why you care? You would vote Commie and hate on any republican if they win anyway? Tactic to divide voter base?
    Aren't these the same sheep herder tactics the Deep State is using to rally the Democrats behind their chosen gaff-prone pedophile?

    Didn't the people of this forum figure out years ago flocking to the lesser evil is still supporting evil?

    Baaaa!
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-18-2019 at 07:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Aren't these the same sheep herder tactics the Deep State is using to rally the Democrats behind their chosen gaff-prone pedophile?
    Dems actually have like 360 something candidates right now, They got a lot of work to do. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Dems actually have like 360 something candidates right now, They got a lot of work to do. lol
    Burying Tulsi Gabbard (and whatever better anti interventionist candidates may show up) in the same profusion of confusion they used to bury Rand Paul. Now there's something to celebrate! Evil Team B! Rah! Rah!
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    He who must not be mentioned Bill Weld is nowhere to be found in this Faux News poll. He could kick Joe Biden's azz.



    Google Bill Weld

    Weld is starting to gain some steam but much of MSM is still not covering him and won't be easy for him to take down MAGA... unless economy took a down turn or if MAGA stopped following ZOA-Bolton-Pompeo-Netanyahu global interventions policies & powerful neoconservative Adeson cut-off MAGA's funding. It's a tall order still.


    Vermont Republican governor backs Weld over Trump

    05/17/2019
    Vermont Gov. Phil Scott signaled support for former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld over President Donald Trump in the 2020 Republican primary.
    Scott, during his weekly news conference Thursday, was asked whether he would prefer Weld, the only declared Republican primary challenger to Trump, over the incumbent president.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...-trump-1331312




    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    #LosersForWeld.
    Hope you realize that this is no different than saying #DimwitsForGOP-ZOA. This kind of personal attacks used to be launched against MAGA supporters by some Dems back in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Aren't these the same sheep herder tactics the Deep State is using to rally the Democrats behind their chosen gaff-prone pedophile?

    Didn't the people of this forum figure out years ago flocking to the lesser evil is still supporting evil?

    Baaaa!
    Since you keep editing, I have another question based on reality. Since we will never get another Ron Paul to come along and they are ALL evil, isn't that the only option available anyways? The lesser of the two evils? Expecting for someone absolutely perfect to ever come along again is an unrealistic dream and never going to happen. And even if they did the same thing would happen to them that happened to Ron Paul. Once again... reality has to come into play at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Weld is starting to gain some steam but much of MSM is still not covering him and won't be easy for him to take down MAGA... unless economy took a down turn or if MAGA stopped following ZOA-Bolton-Pompeo-Netanyahu global interventions policies & powerful neoconservative Adeson cut-off MAGA's funding. It's a tall order still.


    Vermont Republican governor backs Weld over Trump

    05/17/2019
    Vermont Gov. Phil Scott signaled support for former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld over President Donald Trump in the 2020 Republican primary.
    Scott, during his weekly news conference Thursday, was asked whether he would prefer Weld, the only declared Republican primary challenger to Trump, over the incumbent president.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...-trump-1331312





    Hope you realize that this is no different than saying #DimwitsForGOP-ZOA. This kind of personal attacks used to be launched against MAGA supporters by some Dems back in 2016.
    It's an attempt to weaken and divide the voter base.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, lookie here! High school bully tactics based on the premise that allowing yourself to be herded like a sheep increases the odds you'll vote for the winner, no matter how awful the winner is. A textbook example of the methods the Deep State uses to keep us from voting for someone who might represent us. Elections reduced from discussions of issues to name-calling. All the very tactics used over the decades to get us into this screwed position, all rolled up in one obnoxious, low-value, repetitive post!

    Remember, children! Voting for a winner feels good! So everybody rally around the guy the MSM gives the most attention to, no matter how bad! There's no point in trying to set a precedent that would do the people some good, like a party primarying a sitting president for breaking every single one of his promises. Only losers and dorks and nerds go out on a limb. Isn't that the attitude this place was founded on?

    Hurrah! Want a trophy? I'm sure the MSM and Deep State have one for you! Or, at least, they'd have one for you if your efforts on their behalf had an ounce of subtlety, class or originality.
    Absolutely. Please stop believing the MSM, including Fox.
    Do something Dodgers.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It's an attempt to weaken and divide the voter base.
    Whose voter base?

    MAGA's current policies seem to be designed to appeal simultaneously to moderate Republicans, big gummit Democrats, Globalist Neoconservatives ... so his voter base seems very divided as it is. Many of the hardcore conservatives seem to have left him already.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Since you keep editing, I have another question based on reality. Since we will never get another Ron Paul to come along and they are ALL evil, isn't that the only option available anyways? The lesser of the two evils? Expecting for someone absolutely perfect to ever come along again is an unrealistic dream and never going to happen. And even if they did the same thing would happen to them that happened to Ron Paul. Once again... reality has to come into play at some point.
    Oh. Well. Humans cannot overcome a self-fulfilling prophesy. To be a voice shouting in the wilderness is no way to live. Better to be a sheep bleating in the herd. When the FRN "dollar" crashes, let the Deep State Tools lead the revolution, because positioning ourselves to do it is too depressing. Stay in your lane, comrade!

    This country has been voting for the lesser evil since Herbert Hoover. And where has that gotten us? The nation was free in 1928. But it could be worse, right? Look at the bright side! Does a cyclone have a silver lining? Quick, count your blessings before they're taken away! Four legs good, two legs better!

    This place began as a place dedicated to shifting the paradigm, and turned into a paid commercial program for the allegedly lesser evil. Dig a hole for it.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-18-2019 at 08:11 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Many of the hardcore conservatives seem to have left him already.
    Actually the hard core pubs are locked in strong and solid behind him despite anything you might hear. Many are now leaning anti-interventionist, but on all other points they are still locked in behind Trump. Religion, Nationalism, Military, MAGA, Jobs, Capitalism, Economy, Anti-socialism, Etc. Read around on here...

    http://freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index

  33. #29
    If anyone seriously thinks these polls are true, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

    pfffft...

    What is really sad is the DNC has to get 24 candidates to run against Donald J. Trump.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Actually the hard core pubs are locked in strong and solid behind him despite anything you might hear. Many are now leaning anti-interventionist, but on all other points they are still locked in behind Trump. Religion, Nationalism, Military, MAGA, Jobs, Capitalism, Economy, Anti-socialism, Etc. Read around on here...

    http://freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index

    Defining 'hardcore conservative' can be subjective but I tend to agree that many Republicans probbaly still see him as a messiah and could be called a 'lock'. But if the 'sugar high/debt spending' skeptics arguments turned ot to be true and economic boom did not sustain come 2020, almost half the categories in this list can flip. I recall there was strong Republicans lock behind Bush also till 2006-07 until housing bubble crash unfolded. This spending boom is different but boom/bust cycles are natural. Also, DACA/immigration is a big GOP base issue lately that is not on this list.

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