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Thread: Big sink: Troubling Fox News poll shows 2020 loss

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh. Well. Humans cannot overcome a self-fulfilling prophesy. To be a voice shouting in the wilderness is no way to live. Better to be a sheep bleating in the herd. When the FRN "dollar" crashes, let the Deep State Tools lead the revolution, because positioning ourselves to do it is too depressing. Stay in your lane, comrade!

    This country has been voting for the lesser evil since Herbert Hoover. And where has that gotten us? The nation was free in 1928. But it could be worse, right? Look at the bright side! Does a cyclone have a silver lining? Quick, count your blessings before they're taken away! Four legs good, two legs better!

    This place began as a place dedicated to shifting the paradigm, and turned into a paid commercial program for the allegedly lesser evil. Dig a hole for it.
    I suppose it's good to dream if one wants, I did and it got me nowhere. It took me awhile to figure out that reality actually dictates the outcome too. Reality is the real enemy here, and one must get to know their enemy well first.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Defining 'hardcore conservative' can be subjective but I tend to agree that many Republicans probbaly still see him as a messiah and could be called a 'lock'. But if the 'sugar high/debt spending' skeptics arguments turned ot to be true and economic boom did not sustain come 2020, almost half the categories in this list can flip. I recall there was strong Republicans lock behind Bush also till 2006-07 until housing bubble crash unfolded. This spending boom is different but boom/bust cycles are natural. Also, DACA/immigration is a big GOP base issue lately that is not on this list.
    That is true and you make a very very good point folks could learn from based on reality. Things change... And when things change there is a need to adapt and change tactics. The same old rules of engagement and tactics just will no longer work and become futile and unproductive. They become wasted effort and time that would be better spent in a more productive direction.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If anyone seriously thinks these polls are true, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

    pfffft...

    What is really sad is the DNC has to get 24 candidates to run against Donald J. Trump.
    Yeah, they should just run Hillary again, to make it easier for Zionist global stooge Donnell.



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    Last edited by RonZeplin; 05-18-2019 at 10:45 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump is not ideal but he is the least of all possible goods
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    That is true and you make a very very good point folks could learn from based on reality. Things change... And when things change there is a need to adapt and change tactics. The same old rules of engagement and tactics just will no longer work and become futile and unproductive. They become wasted effort and time that would be better spent in a more productive direction.
    So we need to go back to trying to use party affiliation to judge which evil is slightly less evil, and bestow power on it?

    That's not a case of "will no longer work". That's a case of never did work.

    We tried something different and our first try didn't work. So we need to go back to the same old thing that has been getting us screwed for ninety years. Gee, can we? Oh boy!
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-18-2019 at 12:22 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So we need to go back to trying to use party affiliation to judge which evil is slightly less evil, and bestow power on it?

    That's not a case of "will no longer work". That's a case of never did work.

    We tried something different and our first try didn't work. So we need to go back to the same old thing that has been getting us screwed for ninety years. Gee, can we? Oh boy!
    Well done... Without my whole statement it is spun out of context.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Well done... Without my whole statement it is spun out of context.
    Oh, I'm sure if you were to spell out "a more productive direction" we'd all be grateful and enthusiastic. Got one? Because the only thing we've gotten from these seeming lesser evils is creeping tyranny.

    In the meantime, I'll be happy to stuff your whole post in that quote box, because it (like electing the evil we think might be less evil than the other, nearly identical evil) doesn't change one damned thing.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-18-2019 at 12:23 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, I'm sure if you were to spell out "a more productive direction" we'd all be grateful and enthusiastic. Got one? Because the only thing we've gotten from these seeming lesser evils is creeping tyranny.

    In the meantime, I'll be happy to stuff your whole post in that quote box, because it doesn't change one damned thing.
    Do you actually think human nature can be changed in mass? It's unfortunate, but reality dictates you can't change human nature and to think so is just fooling yourself. We are stuck working with what we have available good or bad and what we have is not perfect and never will be.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Do you actually think human nature can be changed in mass? It's unfortunate, but reality dictates you can't change human nature and to think so is just fooling yourself. We are stuck working with what we have available good or bad and what we have is not perfect and never will be.
    Reality is, choosing the lesser evil from among the candidates with enough name recognition to be perceived as being "in the horse race" is beyond not perfect. It's aiding and abetting evil. Working within parameters established by your enemy isn't pragmatism, it's stupidity. Bowing to "dictates" never changed the world, only going out on a limb ever did that. And human nature does respond to seeds being planted; after humans have eaten enough $#@! to make that seed grow, they can and do change their collective habits.

    Americans are eating a lot of $#@!, and somebody's seed is going to grow. You seem to be saying we should stop "wasting our time" planting seeds and let the communists plant all the seeds. Surely I'm misunderstanding you.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Americans are eating a lot of $#@!, and somebody's seed is going to grow. You seem to be saying we should stop "wasting our time" planting seeds and let the communists plant all the seeds. Surely I'm misunderstanding you.
    No... that's not at all what I am saying. Let me think a minute and I will try to explain it better.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be devil's advo, Foxnews is seens as Republican/conservative/neoconservative leaning.
    By globalists, leftists, progressives, communists.

    Real conservatives, and of course libertarians see Fox for what it really is...speed limit socialism. Controlled opposition at its finest.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, lookie here! High school bully tactics based on the premise that allowing yourself to be herded like a sheep increases the odds you'll vote for the winner, no matter how awful the winner is. A textbook example of the methods the Deep State uses to keep us from voting for someone who might represent us. Elections reduced from discussions of issues to name-calling. All the very tactics used over the decades to get us into this screwed position, all rolled up in one obnoxious, low-value, repetitive post!

    Remember, children! Voting for a winner feels good! So everybody rally around the guy the MSM gives the most attention to, no matter how bad! There's no point in trying to set a precedent that would do the people some good, like a party primarying a sitting president for breaking every single one of his promises. Only losers and dorks and nerds go out on a limb. Isn't that the attitude this place was founded on?

    Hurrah! Want a trophy? I'm sure the MSM and Deep State have one for you! Or, at least, they'd have one for you if your efforts on their behalf had an ounce of subtlety, class or originality.
    It's not about the actual winning or losing, if weld ran away with it anyone who voted for him would still be a loser.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Reality is, choosing the lesser evil from among the candidates with enough name recognition to be perceived as being "in the horse race" is beyond not perfect. It's aiding and abetting evil. Working within parameters established by your enemy isn't pragmatism, it's stupidity. Bowing to "dictates" never changed the world, only going out on a limb ever did that. And human nature does respond to seeds being planted; after humans have eaten enough $#@! to make that seed grow, they can and do change their collective habits.

    Americans are eating a lot of $#@!, and somebody's seed is going to grow. You seem to be saying we should stop "wasting our time" planting seeds and let the communists plant all the seeds. Surely I'm misunderstanding you.
    Trump is the least of all possible goods, weld is the "lesser of two evils", Tulsi is also the "lesser of two evils".
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    No... that's not at all what I am saying. Let me think a minute and I will try to explain it better.
    Until one of our seeds sprouts we have to do the best with what is available.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Until one of our seeds sprouts we have to do the best with what is available.
    There is already an existing tree, it just needs some pruning and arbor work to be healthy again.

  18. #45
    Again E_D shows massive TDS.

    Anybody that is smart knows these early polls mean absolutely nothing. Not just for Trump, for anybody.

    You just can't help make these threads and its actually pretty insane how obsessed you are, in my opinion of course.
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  19. #46
    FFS, Faux news is just another neocon slag with slightly less left leaning material. When all the other mouth organs were giving Trump 90%negative coverage they only gave him 51%. And somehow this makes them something special?

  20. #47
    Trump praises Fox News show as ‘MANDATORY watching’
    09/16/18
    Trump often praises Fox News and its coverage of him while blasting competitors like CNN as "fake news."
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-to-understand


    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post

    Anybody that is smart knows these early polls mean absolutely nothing. Not just for Trump, for anybody.
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    FFS, Faux news is just another neocon slag with slightly less left leaning material. When all the other mouth organs were giving Trump 90%negative coverage they only gave him 51%. And somehow this makes them something special?
    Great points.





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  21. #48
    Hopefully GOP Congress reps won't play in the hands of Deep Stage and assume that MAGA is a lost cause for 2020, he's still a very formidable candidate against Dems despite what such fakenews Fauxnews polls might say.

    Timing might be coincidence but couple of days after release of this poll a Republican Congressman statement (saying that MAGA did impeachable things) is unfortunate. Under the guise of defending MAGA, Romney is suddenly exerting himself in the limelight trying to raise his profile. GOP base had been burnt badly by Bush-Cheney when they gave them 8 years of Obama anguish and to some extent by left wing policies of GOP-Adelson/Jarvanka wing lately but they deserve better leadsership than what they have been getting... unless someone can logically demonstrate that they don't.



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  23. #49
    Don't know much about DB's political bias, so should exercise caution.
    But if this is factual finding, could spell big trouble for GOP-Adelson neocon wing in 2020, considering that MAGA has already alienated part of GOP conservatives with some of his left wing policies.

    H/T Drudge:

    Why Black Voters Are Gravitating to Biden

    Yes, his civil-rights record is spotty. But Joe Biden had Barack Obama’s back for eight years, and people will remember that.

    Adam Howard
    05.17.19 10:34 PM ET

    On Jan. 12, 2017, a very moving and apparently unexpected tribute from President Barack Obama for Vice President Joe Biden played out live before television cameras, when he awarded his former rival-turned running mate-turned trusted adviser and friend the prestigious Presidential Medal of Freedom.

    Much of the country was still reeling from Trump’s win, and millions would be stunned just eight days later by the bizarre conjuring of “American carnage" in a gloomy, divisive inaugural address.

    During those dark days, that genuine moment between two of the most powerful men in the world was a bittersweet reminder of how a certain kind of empathetic humanity was leaving the White House for at least four years (it was hard to imagine Trump ever doing something as selfless for Mike Pence, for instance). In his remarks, Obama laid out many of the attributes and accomplishments that have long endeared the vice president to voters (he enjoyed a 61 percent approval rating at the time) but also may have resonated with African-American voters in particular.

    “My family is so proud to call ourselves honorary Bidens,” Obama said. Biden, and perhaps some viewers at home, were moved to tears. After all, this was quite an arc for someone who had once dismissed the first black president as “clean and articulate.” He was now “Uncle Joe”—beloved star of memes but also, a white man from an earlier generation who nevertheless always had Obama’s back.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-bl...ating-to-biden

  24. #50
    Love affair between Foxnews and GOP-zionism-neocon wing coming to end and Foxnews now starting to lean towards Dem-neoconlites?

    Trump: What's going on with Fox?

    During a rally in Montoursville, Pennsylvania, President Donald Trump questioned the editorial judgment of Fox News after they hosted a town hall with Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ly-sot-vpx.cnn

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