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    Mathematicians Just Discovered an 'Astonishing' New Way to Multiply Large Numbers

    https://www.sciencealert.com/mathema...mbers-together

    A pair of mathematicians from Australia and France have devised a new way to multiply numbers together, while solving an algorithmic puzzle that has perplexed some of the greatest math minds for almost half a century.

    For most of us, the way we multiply relatively small numbers is by remembering our times tables – an incredibly handy aid first pioneered by the Babylonians some 4,000 years ago.

    But what if the numbers get bigger? Well, if the figures get unwieldy – and assuming we don't have a calculator or computer, of course – most of us would then turn to long multiplication: another useful trick we learn in school, and a trusty technique for multiplying basically any two numbers together.

    There's just one problem with long multiplication. It's slow.

    The reason it's slow is because for every single digit in each number in the problem, you need to perform a separate multiplication operation, before adding all the products up.

    This might not be a problem for you and me, who probably rarely resort to long multiplication ourselves. But it's a drawback school kids are familiar with, laboriously trudging through their calculations as they learn the magic of multiplication.

    More significantly, it's a problem for computers, since their own bottlenecks in performing calculations are imposed by the limits of the abstract mathematics we ourselves can comprehend.

    Basically, long multiplication is an algorithm, but it's just not a particularly efficient one, since the process is inevitably painstaking.

    As it happens, mathematicians actually have a way of calculating just how painstaking long multiplication is.

    As mathematician David Harvey from UNSW in Australia explains in the video below, in a multiplication where both the numbers have 3 digits (n = 3), the number of separate multiplication operations involved is actually 9, which is n2:

    The problem with this is that as the numbers get bigger, the amount of work involved scales up too, always being represented by n to the power of 2.

    While it's inefficient, the long multiplication algorithm was actually the most advanced multiplication algorithm we had until the 1960s, when Russian mathematician Anatoly Karatsuba discovered that n1.58 was possible.

    A decade later, a pair of German mathematicians made another breakthrough: the Schönhage–Strassen algorithm, which conjectured – but never proved – that further refinements were possible, too.

    "They predicted that there should exist an algorithm that multiplies n-digit numbers using essentially n * log(n) basic operations," Harvey explains.

    "Our paper gives the first known example of an algorithm that achieves this."

    According to the researchers, multiplying two numbers together with a billion digits each by the process of long multiplication would take a computer months to calculate.

    Using the Schönhage-Strassen algorithm, it would take under 30 seconds, and with their new theoretical proof, it would be even quicker – theoretically – and may even represent the fastest multiplication algorithm that's mathematically possible.

    "In this sense, our work is expected to be the end of the road for this problem, although we don't know yet how to prove this rigorously," Harvey says.

    "People have been hunting for such an algorithm for almost 50 years. It was not a forgone conclusion that someone would eventually be successful."

    It's worth noting the new algorithm would only ever be useful for multiplying very big numbers together. How big exactly?

    "We have no idea," the researchers explain in an FAQ, although one example they give in the paper equates to 10214857091104455251940635045059417341952, which is a very, very, very big number.

    The world's maths community is still absorbing the new findings, which have yet to be peer-reviewed, but are already making waves.

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    So what youre telling me is 1 + 1 is not 11?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Nobody needs that. They should learn to code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    https://www.sciencealert.com/mathema...mbers-together



    Full article at link.

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    So what youre telling me is 1 + 1 is not 11?
    Not even in binary.



    But it is in Roman numerals.
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    This will speed up cryptanalysis of very large number based cryptography.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This will speed up cryptanalysis of very large number based cryptography.
    That's the problem. The cyber warfare needs to deescalate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    That's the problem. The cyber warfare needs to deescalate.
    Cryptographers need to design a new algorithm.


    On the other hand it might not be too horrible if society was forced to be less reliant on computers/the internet.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Cryptographers need to design a new algorithm.


    On the other hand it might not be too horrible if society was forced to be less reliant on computers/the internet.
    Bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Cryptographers need to design a new algorithm.


    On the other hand it might not be too horrible if society was forced to be less reliant on computers/the internet.
    I owe you +Rep for that statement!

    People in general tend to only become as smart as they need to be to survive. When those people become too dependent on the internet (any external source) to do their thinking for them, those people are not self defined or self determined, which is very useful to rulers, which is very very dangerous to Freedom itself. Intelligence it seems is the enemy of the Elite when held in the hands of the People. They do NOT want people that can think for themselves and work thinks out between each other because the Elites are no longer needed.
    Last edited by DamianTV; 05-18-2019 at 06:27 PM.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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