Trump Considering Replacing Bolton : Report

[Firestarter]

Maybe get somebody else from the Gatestone Institute?!?
Or at least affiliated with Nina Rosenwald or the Rennerts: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6696871

In 2017, John Bolton (before he became Trump’s NSA) was awarded “The Guardian of Zion Award” by Rennert.

[dannno]

Trump only hires the best people. Bolton must be the best.

He is probably pretty good at knowing how to take out ISIS. He just sucks at leaving after the mission is done. So now he leaves instead.

[dannno]

Remember when everybody gave credit to Trump for ending the Obama era admin funding of the terror group? well, Trump restarted it last year and everything is good now

Did you read what you posted? It said that earlier the problem was they were operating alongside terrorist groups. Those groups are largely gone now.

[juleswin]

I've been saying for 3 years now what his strategy is, and it seems pretty clear as time goes on that I am right. I mean, I haven't been totally vindicated yet, but it is heading in that direction and everything points to what I've been saying as true.

Trump brought in the worst of the MIC in order to in part reverse years of damage that our foreign interventions have caused.

We all know that the previous administration, and the administration before that were funding and supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists for various nefarious reasons which were not disclosed by the mainstream media. In fact, they would barely mention it and if they did it would get swept down the memory hole and never brought up again.

Ron Paul's solution would have been to just leave. That is a valid solution, and probably the best solution. However, the problem with that solution is we leave a powerful, evil force who we gave money and weapons to and would not exist had we not funded and supported them. Another valid solution is to go in and actually reverse some of what we did by taking out ISIS, which was devastating the communities there, and then leaving... leaving them in better shape than when Trump got into office.

Trump specifically campaigned on that solution, so it's not like I am even 4D chessing this. Trump said he wanted to take out ISIS and then end the wars and come home in his campaign. Ron Paul said he didn't know if he would accomplish it, but he hoped that he would.

Now you may believe, deep down in your heart, that Trump is a bad guy and that can't possibly be true, he is just going to keep doing the bidding of the MIC. But what Trump has done so far does not go against what he campaigned on, which was to take out ISIS then leave. So you have no more evidence for your position, and probably less, than I do for mine.

I said Trump would start pulling us out within a year or two. TheCount even put it in his signature. Within 2 years, he announced we were leaving. His staff pushed back, begged for more time. Trump knows their thirst for war cannot be quenched, and I knew eventually he would have to get rid of them. It is starting now. But he began the process in under 2 years, and I think we will see the day come when we actually start pulling out of these wars.

Bolton wanted 3 more wars on top of the wars we are already in. Any other establishment President would have gone to work on that. Trump has been great at holding these people back and making them stick to the job he tasked them with. I don't think he has is perfect, but I don't think it can be argued that the world isn't a much safer place, better place with less war with Trump is in office.

The problem with Dannno's theory is that we the US only have to stop supporting and funding ISIS to kill it. All you need to do is end the support and funding, pull out of the area and allow Syria, Russia and Iran to finish them off. Withing 3 months of Russia getting into the fight, they completely destroyed ISIS oil making and trading infrastructure, 1000s of lorries carrying oil were destroyed, HQs and ammo depot bomb and ISIS was on the retreat.

But instead of doing the most logical, non interventionist, cheapest and easiest way around this problem, Trump increased sanctions on Syria, Iran and Russia, continued funding of white helmets and increased occupation of Syrian land. This way, virtually all the ISIS that were occupying Deir Ezzor were able to escaped via SDF controlled areas. This is not Trump fighting ISIS instead it is him pretending to be fighting ISIS.

[juleswin]

Did you read what you posted? It said that earlier the problem was they were operating alongside terrorist groups. Those groups are largely gone now.

Al Qaeda is still in Id lib and the US still to this day bitches and moans whenever the anti terrorists groups goes to hunt them. I know u have convinced yourself that Trump is fighting ISIS a little bit more aggressive that Obama fought them but all signs points to him just trying to cover for Obama and the neocons.

There is a line from some article about rape that always comes to mind whenever you try to explain your 3D Trump chess game. It goes like this

it's a circular assertions: rape victims often appear non credible because rape victims often appear non-credible. How do you determine who's a real victim if you can't rely on reliability?

The background to the quote was made when the lawyers tried to explain Cosby's so called victim continuing to act like a non victim to him for decades after the so called rape had occurred

The problem with your side is that Trump does act like a neocon, he appoints them to his cabinet, he continues their wars, he sanctions their enemies. He does just about everything one would expect a neocon to do. Essentially he acts like a non victim but somehow you want people to believe that in actuality, he is a victim. That logic might work on some SJWs but it doesn't work for me. The truth is that is no way to reliably determine that Trump is infact trying to undermine the neocons when he is busy doing their bidding so we should conclude that until such evidence present itself, Trump is a neocon

[enhanced_deficit]

Good... But will he get any credit for it? no, not here for sure.

Tend to agree.

Neither will get any credit from ZOA or his top donor or even Jarvanka probably if OP reported turned out to be non-fakenews:


John Bolton Wins “Defender of Israel” Award from Zionist Lobby Group that Helped Appoint Him

The Lobby
The ZOA, Bolton’s enthusiastic sponsor, led the campaign to remove former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster from his post after railing against McMaster’s “anti-Israel” positions, most notably his support for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), better known as the Iran nuclear deal.

[RonZeplin]

Maybe President Trump is considering replacing The Stash with Meghan McCain?

[TheCount]

I've been saying for 3 years now what his strategy is, and it seems pretty clear as time goes on that I am right. I mean, I haven't been totally vindicated yet, but it is heading in that direction and everything points to what I've been saying as true.

Trump brought in the worst of the MIC in order to in part reverse years of damage that our foreign interventions have caused.

How's that going thus far?


You say that's what he's doing, but you have absolutely nothing to show for it. Every word that you say beyond this point is aspirational and based on what Trump has said rather than what Trump has done. Isn't that the thing that you keep telling everyone else not to do?

I said Trump would start pulling us out within a year or two. TheCount even put it in his signature. Within 2 years, he announced we were leaving.

Announced. He announces a lot of things.

It is starting now. But he began the process in under 2 years, and I think we will see the day come when we actually start pulling out of these wars.

If the day has not yet come when we actually start pulling out of these wars, then he hasn't begun the process. This is yet another instance of hardcore Trumpkins pre-celebrating his supposed achievements when all that's happened is that he said that he did something, despite the fact that absolutely no forward process has been made.


From here you dive into your typical 10D chess crystal ball fan fiction fantasy bull$#@! of what would have happened if not for Trump.

Bolton wanted 3 more wars on top of the wars we are already in. Any other establishment President would have gone to work on that. Trump has been great at holding these people back and making them stick to the job he tasked them with. I don't think he has is perfect, but I don't think it can be argued that the world isn't a much safer place, better place with less war with Trump is in office.

As I said in your last fan fiction thread:

At least half of your Trump posts read like a battered wife explaining why her black eye isn't her husband's fault.

[TheCount]

Hey, @dannno, remember when you thought that Trump's national security adviser was secretly running the show from behind the scenes against the President's wishes, but said not to worry because Trump was going to get rid of him?

No, not right now with Bolton; two years ago, when you still believed and said all of the same things, just with a different name to carry the blame for Trump.

That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.


https://medium.com/@Cernovich/presid...e-f702acaa5be3

[dannno]

How's that going thus far?


You say that's what he's doing, but you have absolutely nothing to show for it. Every word that you say beyond this point is aspirational and based on what Trump has said rather than what Trump has done. Isn't that the thing that you keep telling everyone else not to do?





Announced. He announces a lot of things.



If the day has not yet come when we actually start pulling out of these wars, then he hasn't begun the process. This is yet another instance of hardcore Trumpkins pre-celebrating his supposed achievements when all that's happened is that he said that he did something, despite the fact that absolutely no forward process has been made.


From here you dive into your typical 10D chess crystal ball fan fiction fantasy bull$#@! of what would have happened if not for Trump.




As I said in your last fan fiction thread:

Thank you TDS for rearing your ugly head..

Gee, I guess getting rid of almost all of the ISIS strongholds (yes, there are a couple left) is not reversing our foreign policy to you, because you were probably one of those people who didn't believe that we were funding ISIS or Al Qaeda. Or maybe you did believe it, but you are evil and you think it was a good thing. I have no idea.

The point is, Trump announced he wants to pull out, he says he has been tempering Bolton a lot, the people in his circle say he doesn't want to start another war because "that isn't who he is". I explained why he hired Bolton, and it wasn't to push his pro-war agenda, it was to reverse our foreign policy mistakes. Which has demonstrably happened, no matter how much you bitch..

And I am the deluded one? You are the TDS fan fiction pusher, I'm just looking at the big picture.

[Sammy]

Trump should fire bolton if he want's my vote again...

[dannno]

Hey, @dannno, remember when you thought that Trump's national security adviser was secretly running the show from behind the scenes against the President's wishes, but said not to worry because Trump was going to get rid of him?

No, not right now with Bolton; two years ago, when you still believed and said all of the same things, just with a different name to carry the blame for Trump.

What's your point?

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

Even though these guys all want to start 10 more wars, we haven't had any.. and ISIS is pretty much wiped out.

Trump is probably tired of all this BS war mongering, so I would hope to see someone a lot better after Bolton, but he still may bring in a military expert. Probably one who is more willing to strategically pull out.

[nikcers]

What's your point?

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

Even though these guys all want to start 10 more wars, we haven't had any.. and ISIS is pretty much wiped out.

Trump is probably tired of all this BS war mongering, so I would hope to see someone a lot better after Bolton, but he still may bring in a military expert. Probably one who is more willing to strategically pull out.

I thought ISIS was on our side and Russia wiped them out?

[dannno]

I thought ISIS was on our side and Russia wiped them out?

Yes, they were, until Trump. Trump fought ISIS, alongside Russia, thus the reversing years of damage our foreign policy caused.

[TheCount]

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

I would love to hear what role you think the national security adviser has in wiping out ISIS.

[TheCount]

And I am the deluded one?

Yes, you definitely are. And it's pretty hilarious.


How many military boondoggles is your precious Daddy Trump involved in right now?

[juleswin]

Yes, they were, until Trump. Trump fought ISIS, alongside Russia, thus the reversing years of damage our foreign policy caused.

I would like to see evidence of this.

[Firestarter]

This John Bolton (Trump’s new National Security Adviser) is in a league of his own – actually making “hilarious” jokes to “bomb, bomb Iran”...


On 15 April 2005, Melody Townsel sent a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee members to protest against Bolton’s nomination for US ambassador to the UN by President Bush Jr.

Melody Townsel described that in the late summer of 1994 she had worked as the subcontracted leader of a US Agency for International Development (USAID) project in Kyrgyzstan. At the time she was employed Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Paul Manafort: former Trump campaign chairman; Roger Stone: Clinton basher, Trump advisor and associate of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

Melody Townsel reported directly to Republican leader Charlie Black on the prime contractor's poor performance in Kyrgyzstan. Then she flew from Kyrgyzstan to Moscow where she met John Bolton, whom the prime contractor had hired as legal counsel.
For nearly 2 weeks, Bolton chased Townsel “through the halls of a Russian hotel - throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman”.

John Bolton went to Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan 2 days before Townsel returned where he told other USAID team leaders and US foreign-service officials that Townsel would likely face jail time for misuse of funds. He also made insulting comments about Townsel’s weight, wardrobe and insinueated that she is a lesbian
John Bolton did become UN Ambassador though: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...hp?storyid=359
(archived here: http://archive.is/NM7o2)


Following is a nice video about what John Bolton stands for (in an interview at the Charles Koch Institute)…
Mass surveillance on everybody;
Bombing of Syria;
War in Iran;
John Bolton lied on WMDs in Iraq and then lied about his lies.

[Cap]

And yet he's still in the administration.

[enhanced_deficit]

And yet he's still in the administration.

Sometimes TDS fakenews media operation sends out fakenews too.


Fakenews 2017:

Trump Considering Replacing Ivanka and Kushner : Report

By Beatrice Dupuy On 11/22/17

President Donald Trump has told his daughter Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner, to move back to New York, fueling rumors of a strained relationship between his son-in-law and senior adviser, according to a new report.

The latest report follows an earlier story in Politico that Trump has mentioned his concerns in front of other staffers, telling his daughter and White House adviser, “Baby, you’re getting killed, this is a bad deal.”
Kushner’s influence in the White House appears to be waning, signaling that the couple could soon be leaving town. Vanity Fair reported that chief of staff John Kelly has “clipped his wings.”

Donald Trump Wants Ivanka and Jared Kushner to Move Back Home to NYC

[nikcers]

Sometimes TDS fakenews media operation sends out fakenews too.

so theres a chance?

[RonZeplin]

Yes, you definitely are. And it's pretty hilarious.


How many military boondoggles is your precious Daddy Trump involved in right now?

[susano]

US media reports suggest that President Donald Trump is considering replacing his hawkish National Security Adviser John Bolton over his plans to push the United States towards a military conflict with Iran, Venezuela and North Korea.
Bolton “is headed for the exits, having flown too close to the sun on his regime change efforts for Iran, Venezuela and North Korea,” The National Interest magazine reported Tuesday, citing sources familiar with the matter.
“Hearing that Trump wants him out,” a former senior Trump administration official told the magazine.
There is speculation in Washington “that there’s now daylight between Trump and Bolton,” the report added.
The fighting has also expanded to include US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, officials say. A State Department official and a former White House official both report that Bolton and Pompeo are “fighting all the time.”


A former senior official in the State Department said Pompeo is enthusiastic about isolating Iran, but fearful of an actual war that might engulf much of the Middle East.

“John Bolton is the problem … Trump’s national security adviser is getting dangerous…particularly to the president’s ideals,” Douglas Macgregor, a Bolton rival and would-be successor, writes in Spectator USA.

Trump ran his election campaign on the promise to pull the US military out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria — unwinnable post-9/11 wars that have consumed American lives and military budgets.
That partial retreat remains one of Trump’s strongest points in his pitch to be the so-called outsider president.
But Bolton is working in exactly the opposite direction.

More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-...report/5677649

Douglas Macgregor, a Bolton rival and would-be successor


Maybe Trump has been watching Tucker because Mac Gregor is a regular guest and I like him.

[enhanced_deficit]

Great if he ends up doing it, but he should have never hired him in the first place.

EM.

He was apparently under pressure ( not from likes of notorious Jeffrey Epstein).

[enhanced_deficit]

That was uncalled for.