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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.



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  3. #62
    More good news.

    Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...hat-2019-05-15
    a retreat of Chinese buyers could be good news for Americans looking to purchase a home, especially in the Golden State. Markets like San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. They are among the most expensive in the entire country, and their popularity had contributed to double-digit home price appreciation in recent years.

    The rate at which home prices are climbing has recently slowed as buyers have struggled with affordability. The lack of competition from foreign buyers, who typically make competitive all-cash purchases, could provide an opportunity to get a better deal on a home for locals looking to buy.
    Americans first!

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    More good news.

    Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...hat-2019-05-15


    Americans first!
    Good... Go and try to buy real-estate in China. It's a one way market.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.
    ChiCom managed trade isn't free.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.
    LOL

    You can say that as many times as you want and it won't be true.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    OK, let's do that...

    Mission:
    This site is dedicated to facilitating discussion and initiatives that aim to advance society in a civil manner for the betterment of all. We seek to:
    ...Secure individual liberty (Supporting Socialistic ideology is forcing collectivism on individuals and erodes the constitutional protections of the individual)
    ...Seek justice (This does not imply anarchy with absolutely no laws. no accountability, no personal responsibility, and no punishment)
    ...Promote honest and free markets (When one party is not honest is it wrong to then seek justice? Or do business elsewhere?See above)

    To support these pillars we aim to:
    ...Develop excellence within society and governmental bodies (Uh Oh, a collective. Eroding a moral society and supporting more socialistic government control is not excellence)
    ...Build up local communities (Not destroy them, this implies more than Me, My, Mine and screw the community as a collective)
    ...Strengthen families (Well this is out, because to strengthen families it takes sharing and personal sacrifices above self and a family is also a collective)
    ...Foster individual excellence (Which includes Introspect, honesty, integrity, and self responsibility)

    We do so for ourselves and our posterity.
    You must spread some reputation around...............
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    More good news.

    Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...hat-2019-05-15


    Americans first!
    From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.

    As of 2018, foreign buyers in aggregate accounted for just 3% of U.S. home sales, the association added.
    Of the 284,000 properties sold to foreign buyers last year, some 40,400, or 15%, were bought by Chinese nationals.
    Long before the current trade dispute, the Chinese government had been creating hurdles for its citizens who wanted to invest abroad. The country started restricting outbound investments in 2016, allowing residents to take only the equivalent of $50,000 out of the country, as a means of propping up the country’s currency. This not only made it more difficult to purchase real estate in America but prompted some Chinese investors to sell their U.S. assets.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-15-2019 at 04:30 PM.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.
    I'm going to give you kudos for being straight up about that and not try to twist it Sir.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.
    Across the entire US. Specific areas of the US tells a different story.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ch...hat-2019-05-15
    Unlike foreign buyers from other countries who spread their investments more evenly across the U.S., Chinese residential real-estate investment is highly concentrated on the Pacific Coast. Nearly 40% of Chinese buyers have purchased in California, home to a large Asian community.

    But California isn’t the only place where a fall in Chinese buyers would make a difference. Chinese nationals represent a significant share of the foreign buyers of residential real estate in the New York City metropolitan area and growing shares of buyers in states including Florida and Texas.

    Chinese buyers also play a big role in the residential-real-estate markets of college towns, as more Chinese students have opted to study at American universities, Yun said.

    However, a retreat by Chinese buyers could be good news for Americans looking to purchase a home, especially in such costly Golden State markets as San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. These are among the most expensive in the entire country, and their popularity had contributed to double-digit home-price appreciation in recent years.

    The rate at which home prices are climbing has recently slowed as buyers have struggled with affordability. The lack of competition from foreign buyers, who typically enter competitive all-cash offers, could provide an opportunity to get a better deal on a home for locals looking to buy.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    You've played this game before. Once you told me that you'd always supported a border wall. Then I found posts from you back during RP's presidential campaigns where you said you weren't. I did the same with Antifederalist and Danno. My guess is that I could do the same with your position on tariffs. I'm actually surprised to see you come out for them.

    You're a phony.

    Maybe you changed your views. Maybe you're just lying. I don't know. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that if you're here now supporting Trump's tariff hikes, you're the odd man out, at least as far as this website is concerned, even if not among the community of marxists that now makes up a large part of its active membership. But that community, no matter how large it may make itself appear here is still the trolls. And those of us who still stand for the things you stood for, or at least pretended to, back when you joined aren't.
    I'm not sure what posts you think you found, but sure in a perfect world there would be no need for a wall. This happens to be dr. Paul's position as well. and while I am protariff now, I've stated many times that it wouldn't be necessary if we were on a gold standard or similar system, let me know when that happens. what I am is pragmatic, pretty much always have been. Sure I can dream about perfect ideology, but the world doesn't work that way.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Across the entire US. Specific areas of the US tells a different story.
    Difficult to measure their impact in the state. But based on the two articles you posted, the first saying that 40,000 homes were bought by Chinese in the US and 40% of those were in California that is 16,000 units. Out of about 400,000?

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300780469.html

    As a result, while the statewide median home price surpassed its previous peak and set a new record in 2018, annual home sales fell for the first time in four years to a preliminary 402,750 closed escrows in California, down from 2017's pace of 424,890.
    That would be about four percent of home sales in the state. Real figures are hard to come by: https://calmatters.org/articles/data...-neighborhood/

    So what percentage of California’s housing stock is owned by foreign investors?

    Let’s start with this major caveat: Foreign buyer real estate data is not good. California sales deeds don’t require a buyer or seller to disclose citizenship or residency status. So analysts rely on rough proxies for foreign ownership.

    The house the Rothenbergs tried to buy is a good example. You can verify that the transaction was all cash, which is a good flag for a foreign buyer. You can verify that the tax address for the buyer is outside California, which is also a good flag. You can see the buyer’s surname, but given California’s demographic diversity, that’s hardly evidence foreign ownership.

    But that’s all you can really say. Judging by the records, the owner of the Rothenbergs’ dream house could be a foreign-based investment buyer—or he might just be a wealthy Chinese-American who lives outside California and wants to invest in Sacramento real estate. (Attempts to contact the owners and the management company of the property were unsuccessful).

    The California Association of Realtors estimates that 3 percent of last year’s purchases went to international buyers. Their data even suggests the share of international buyers has been on a downward trajectory since 2008—but that data relies on a survey of realtors, and could be undercounting.
    "foreign buyers" includes not just Chinese.

    Why are the Chinese so enamored with California real estate? First, it’s important to understand what we mean by “foreign.” Those statistics include recently arrived immigrants, of which California has quite a few. There’s legitimate debate over whether those immigrants should be counted as “foreign.”

    Many of the recently arrived Chinese snapping up California properties are holders of EB-5 visas—a U.S. program granting green cards to foreigners who invest $500,000 in U.S. business.

    “The wife and kids are in the U.S., some of the husbands are here some of the time and some are not, they have a portion of their money here and they have a portion of their money in China,” says Lin He, a real estate investor and developer who courts Chinese property speculators in places like Newport Beach and Irvine.

    The number of Chinese diaspora already settled in areas such as Orange County and the San Gabriel Valley attract a great deal of foreign investment because cultural and language similarities make the purchase process easier.

    Much of that money goes towards primary residences—Chinese visa holders living with their family in a U.S. home. But after getting a foothold in California, many recently arrived Chinese view residential real estate as an attractive investment strategy—one that was not readily available to them in China, either because of government policy or exorbitant cost.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-15-2019 at 04:52 PM.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.
    I always thought I would support free trade but I do not expect to see it in my lifetime . The people who oppose it do not bother me as much as the people who pretend they had it . Sometimes it is better to just be honest .
    Last edited by oyarde; 05-15-2019 at 05:20 PM.
    Do something Danke



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I'm not sure what posts you think you found, but sure in a perfect world there would be no need for a wall. This happens to be dr. Paul's position as well. and while I am protariff now, I've stated many times that it wouldn't be necessary if we were on a gold standard or similar system, let me know when that happens. what I am is pragmatic, pretty much always have been. Sure I can dream about perfect ideology, but the world doesn't work that way.
    As long as people make compromises and excuses because of the way things “currently are” tptb will continue the same practice. Only when people, starting here, begin to stand firmly on principle/ground, make it known and teach others, will a chance happen to turn the tide. Ending Common Core in Florida, eliminating red light cameras in areas of Ohio, etc are but a couple of examples.

    How anybody especially on this site could even mutter support of tariffs just because “that is the way things are” is beyond me.
    Last edited by PAF; 05-15-2019 at 05:21 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

    A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Superfluous Man again.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    As long as people make compromises and excuses because of the way things “currently are” tptb will continue the same practice. Only when people, starting here, begin to stand firmly on principle/ground, make it known and teach others, will a chance happen to turn the tide. Ending Common Core in Florida, red might cameras in areas of Ohio, etc are but a couple of examples.

    How anybody especially on this site could even mutter support of tariffs just because “that is the way things are” is beyond me.
    Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
    Is killing people part of liberty?
    It's the same thing with tariffs.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  19. #76
    The title reminds of all the talk in Britain now about how leaving the EU will force them to eat "chlorinated American chicken" (...because they expect that, in negotiations between post-Brexit Britain and the US, the US will demand exemption from Britain's restrictive food purity laws). Thank god for government regulation of what we eat; can't have consumers making their own decisions, now can we?
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
    Is killing people part of liberty?
    It's the same thing with tariffs.
    You are the tyrant in this scenario.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You are the tyrant in this scenario.
    LOL

    That would be the ChiComs.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    That would be the ChiComs.
    Sounds like the name of a hip-hop group.

    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
    Is killing people part of liberty?
    It's the same thing with tariffs.

    If you did a 180 and actually supported liberty and free markets, I’m sure there would be some who could learn from you.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...ot-the-answer/
    Last edited by PAF; 05-15-2019 at 05:53 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sounds like the name of a hip-hop group.

    We always need something to be scared of. Now there's a ChiCom under every bed.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    If you did a 180 and actually supported liberty and free markets, I’m sure there would be some who could learn from you.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...ot-the-answer/
    I support liberty and free markets, ChiCom managed trade is not either and the only way to get closer to them is to use defensive tariffs.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    We always need something to be scared of. Now there's a ChiCom under every bed.
    It is a Nixon- era term.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is a Nixon- era term.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is a Nixon- era term.
    1962

  30. #86
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chicom

    Chicom

    Short for Chinese Communist and sometimes Chinese Communications (military intel, not normal language), and also widely used in military terms to describe something Chinese such as a Type-56 assault rifle or a Chicom Bag and sometimes in general to things which pertain to asian communism. Chicom originated out of the Vietnam War and was first used as slang for tiny burlap bags or packets which usually contained Chinese, NVA, or Vietcong made communist propaganda as well as intel, ammo, food, medical supplies, etc.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    1962
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is a Nixon- era term.
    So these are the ChiComs my parents warned me about. Dammit if my mom ain't always right.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    That would be the ChiComs.
    They're not imposing taxes on me or growing my government.

    You are.


    Taxes unilaterally imposed by the whim of the executive to favor some at the expense of others. Sounds like a tyrant to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    They're not imposing taxes on me or growing my government.

    You are.


    Taxes unilaterally imposed by the whim of the executive to favor some at the expense of others. Sounds like a tyrant to me.
    It's to promote liberty. Part of ChiCom 4-D Chess.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-15-2019 at 07:35 PM.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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