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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I meant as a part of all uses of steel. The production of entire cars (including tires) is about ten percent of steel production. Tires are a small part of that.
    Absolutely not... lol



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am sure before trump there were free markets and RPF's got great deals on dog food , dry wall , stomachs , hair and cheese substitute .
    I know you are joking but it needs to be repeated that Chinese government intervention doesn't make a free market.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Is ChiCom your new "commie"?
    It's an old but accurate term of CHInese COMmunists.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's an old but accurate term of CHInese COMmunists.
    Sure is... Historical. And I'm starting to think Zippyjuan is not a Speedy Gonzales. His loyalty to China is far stronger than his loyalty to the southern countries.

  7. #35
    Trumps tarrif money should go directly towards funding the wall. It would be the greatest wall ever.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I know you are joking but it needs to be repeated that Chinese government intervention doesn't make a free market.
    I have never thought of anything in china in a positive light . $#@! products are low priority to me and they have nothing else going for them either .
    Do something Danke

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Sure is... Historical. And I'm starting to think Zippyjuan is not a Speedy Gonzales. His loyalty to China is far stronger than his loyalty to the southern countries.
    There is a massive Chinese propaganda operation in this country and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zippy is on their payroll.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    The Trump administration is preparing tariffs on $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. Here are all the products that will get hit.
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-5-1028200711

    Looking at the list most of this stuff I would not want to put on my dinner table considering where it is coming from and their piss poor record in food safety. This will be a boon for American producers and for the health our people.

    The free trade traitors on Wall Street and the news media can piss off. They do not give a damn about the health and prosperity of the people in our country first. As far as I am concerned $#@! Communist China and their shills.
    I would never intentionally buy anything edible, for humans or animals, from China. But they hide it sometimes, and sometimes you just have no idea. IIRC, some international trade negotiations required that the source of products be kept secret. Was it the US-EU deal?
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is a massive Chinese propaganda operation in this country and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zippy is on their payroll.
    It's starting to feel possible with my internet Zen.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I would never intentionally buy anything edible, for humans or animals, from China. But they hide it sometimes, and sometimes you just have no idea. IIRC, some international trade negotiations required that the source of products be kept secret. Was it the US-EU deal?
    They have been caught many times over the years selling us dangerous products. They were once caught disposing of lead by adding it to products they were selling us. Ceramic and stoneware plates if I remember right.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It's starting to feel possible with my internet Zen.
    He's not the only one around here either and then there are the victims of the propaganda who repeat it for free.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's not the only one around here either and then there are the victims of the propaganda who repeat it for free.
    It's not the Libertarians I started to hang with 10 years ago. When I started to hang with the movement at Nystrom's site they were all pretty much strict consitutionalists who would never ever support liberal Communist Socialistic ideology and aligned more with conservative values except war and Jackboots. All this pro-leftist anti-Constitution propaganda is new for me and sad to see. They even used to like and care about kids and the next generations. I now see very little of that compassion for the long term future anymore.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    It's not the Libertarians I started to hang with 10 years ago. When I started to hang with the movement at Nystrom's site they were all pretty much strict consitutionalists who would never ever support liberal Communist Socialistic ideology and aligned more with conservative values except war and Jackboots. All this pro-leftist anti-Constitution propaganda is new for me and sad to see. They even used to like and care about kids and the next generations. I now see very little of that compassion for the long term future anymore.
    The movement was hijacked by the left when we made the mistake of treating them as more than allies on the anti-war plank of the platform and the anarchists when they were tolerated because they wanted to reduce the size of government too, now they act like they own and get to define the movement and they try to browbeat conservertarians into silence, I hate to say it but they have been extremely successful.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Can President Trump please put tariffs on all vegan foods??!?!?!?

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    Can President Trump please put tariffs on all vegan foods??!?!?!?
    Wouldn't that just increase the price of other foods because of supply?

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese $#@!. Buy American. Buy local.
    Like property tax. Don't want to pay property tax? Don't buy property.

    And sales tax.

    And income tax.

    And capital gains tax.



    And estate tax. Just don't die. Totally voluntary.
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    Trump - accidentally killing a few children in the fight against Islamic extremism so Soros doesn't murder thousands of children
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    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
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    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Wouldn't that just increase the price of other foods because of supply?
    No, it would free the world.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  21. #48
    The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.
    - SUPPORT FREE TRADE, SMUGGLE -

    2 + 2 = 5.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.
    I'm no leftist, but not liking tariffs, while also hating cheap Chinese crap can both happen inside the heart of a man.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Like property tax. Don't want to pay property tax? Don't buy property.

    And sales tax.

    And income tax.

    And capital gains tax.



    And estate tax. Just don't die. Totally voluntary.
    Don't like tariffs... Don't buy Chinese junk.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.
    I remember that. Many were full of it too. They were shopping there anyways because they were tightwads.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.
    You may be confused, Zippy's "free trade" is universal global poverty equality.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    You may be confused, Zippy's "free trade" is universal global poverty equality.
    I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

    A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

    A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.
    And yet almost all of us predate you. So don't think you can come here telling us what RPF is. Besides we didn't have free trade before trump either. We have had managed trade. Not many here are against true "free trade" but that isn't what you are getting if you remove these tariffs and you aren't ever going to get as long as we have a global fiat currency.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So don't think you can come here telling us what RPF is.
    Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Besides we didn't have free trade before trump either. We have had managed trade. Not many here are against true "free trade" but that isn't what you are getting if you remove these tariffs and you aren't ever going to get as long as we have a global fiat currency.
    Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.

    The term "free trade crowd" was introduced to the discussion in the post by oyarde that I was replying to. I just went with it.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.
    Hell, most of us had input in putting it there. And I see RPF's as a community, not just some website. So if anything you are the odd man out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.
    Incorrect, most of us supported him well before you and were pro-tariff way back then. "Ron Paul Supporters" is not a homogenous crowd. Most of us are capable of independent thought and discrimination. It is our diversity of thought and opinion that made us both strong and weak. If you want an echo chamber where people act as mindless automatons that think Ron Paul is always right, you should look elsewhere.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

    Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.
    Yup.

    Free trade is liberty- most do not want that

    As far as Zippy goes, I've never had a problem with him. He never calls names or insults like many here do. And I don't have a problem if I disagree with his posts- saves me time having to look up other POVs to put mine in perspective & also really see what's going on. Everyone should always look at all sides because that's where you begin to see all the lies & subterfuge happening globally & at home.
    There is no spoon.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Incorrect, most of us supported him well before you and were pro-tariff way back then.
    You've played this game before. Once you told me that you'd always supported a border wall. Then I found posts from you back during RP's presidential campaigns where you said you weren't. I did the same with Antifederalist and Danno. My guess is that I could do the same with your position on tariffs. I'm actually surprised to see you come out for them.

    You're a phony.

    Maybe you changed your views. Maybe you're just lying. I don't know. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that if you're here now supporting Trump's tariff hikes, you're the odd man out, at least as far as this website is concerned, even if not among the community of marxists that now makes up a large part of its active membership. But that community, no matter how large it may make itself appear here is still the trolls. And those of us who still stand for the things you stood for, or at least pretended to, back when you joined aren't.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.
    OK, let's do that...

    Mission:
    This site is dedicated to facilitating discussion and initiatives that aim to advance society in a civil manner for the betterment of all. We seek to:
    ...Secure individual liberty (Supporting Socialistic ideology is forcing collectivism on individuals and erodes the constitutional protections of the individual)
    ...Seek justice (This does not imply anarchy with absolutely no laws. no accountability, no personal responsibility, and no punishment)
    ...Promote honest and free markets (When one party is not honest is it wrong to then seek justice? Or do business elsewhere?See above)

    To support these pillars we aim to:
    ...Develop excellence within society and governmental bodies (Uh Oh, a collective. Eroding a moral society and supporting more socialistic government control is not excellence)
    ...Build up local communities (Not destroy them, this implies more than Me, My, Mine and screw the community as a collective)
    ...Strengthen families (Well this is out, because to strengthen families it takes sharing and personal sacrifices above self and a family is also a collective)
    ...Foster individual excellence (Which includes Introspect, honesty, integrity, and self responsibility)

    We do so for ourselves and our posterity.
    Last edited by ATruepatriot; 05-15-2019 at 08:51 AM.

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