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    How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?

    How did Bolsheviks manage to infilterate amd take over control of GOP?

    It used to be party of conservatives.





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    Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?
    Jared Kushner Says Florida Ex-Felons Are Part of 'the New Coalition That President Trump Is Building'
    “One statistic that I found very pleasing, is that in Florida, they passed a law where former felons can now vote"

    4/2/19
    Take the guns first, due process second



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    $$$

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Um, what's wrong with granting EX- felons all their natural and natures God's rights?

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    Lightbulb Ex-Cons, not convicted felons anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Um, what's wrong with granting EX- felons all their natural and natures God's rights?
    Back in the dawn of "civilization" (before GCA '68) we used to call them ex-cons. They weren't convicts anymore, because they'd served their time and had been released from prison.
    Last edited by RonZeplin; 05-04-2019 at 07:47 PM.
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Back in the dawn of "civilization" (before GCA '68) we used to call them ex-cons. They weren't convicts anymore, because they'd served their time and had been released from prison.
    They were not allowed to vote before that.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...ment-4-florida

    Why letting ex-felons vote probably won’t swing Florida

    We analyzed ex-felons with voting rights. Their party affiliation is more mixed than you might think.

    Florida voters will soon decide whether to return the right to vote to almost 1.5 million ex-felons.

    The proposed amendment, known as Amendment 4, has led some established election analysts, such as Nate Cohn of the New York Times, to speculate about the partisan consequences of such reform. Had ex-felons been allowed to participate in 2016, the story goes, their votes would have wiped out President Trump’s 113,000-vote victory in Florida. The implication is that a successful amendment would dramatically benefit Democrats throughout the state.

    There are many reasons to support restoring the right to vote to those citizens who have completed their sentence. But Democrats should not do so because of perceived partisan gain. Neither should Republicans fear a “blue wave” by supporting the initiative. As political scientists who study election administration and have written extensively on felon disenfranchisement, our analysis of Florida’s previous attempt at a similar, but smaller, reform suggests that a blue wave is unlikely.

    Florida’s disenfranchisement policy, which permanently strips the right to vote from anyone who has been convicted of a felony, is one of the harshest voting laws in the country. It first came under scrutiny when more than 600,000 ex-felons were barred from participating in the state’s contested 2000 election. The fact that the race was ultimately decided by fewer than 600 votes sparked a debate about the extent to which George W. Bush — and other Republican candidates — electorally benefit from this democratic exclusion.

    But the state did restore the vote to a small group of ex-felons from 2007 to 2011 under then-governor (and then-Republican) Charlie Crist. (Florida vests the governor with the exclusive power to restore the vote through an executive clemency process.) Crist restored the right to vote to about 150,000 ex-felons convicted of less serious offenses. Although Republican Gov. Rick Scott rescinded the policy in 2011, these 150,000 ex-felons remain eligible to vote.

    By combining information contained in public records (for more information on our process, see our previous work), we can assess how often these 150,000 individuals vote and which party they register with. We believe this offers the best evidence about how a massive restoration of ex-felons’ voting rights would have reshaped Florida’s 2016 election — and what this would mean for the partisan balance of the state. Our analysis suggests that Amendment 4 is less about swinging the state than about who has the right to participate in our democracy.

    Ex-felons vote at low rates. And when they do, there is no strong partisan lean.

    One thing that limits the electoral impact of restoring ex-felons’ voting rights is that they turn out at particularly low rates. To demonstrate this, we first look to the population of ex-felons who were restored the right to vote under Crist and calculate what share voted in 2016. We find that just 16 percent of black and 12 percent of nonblack ex-felons voted. (We defined nonblack as white, Hispanic, Asian, and other due to data limitations.)



    The potential electoral impact of Florida’s ballot initiative is further limited by the fact that the ex-felons who do vote are not politically uniform. While black voters within this population overwhelmingly register with the Democratic Party (87 percent), nonblack voters within this population were more likely to register as Republicans (40 percent) than as a Democrats (34 percent). The fact that 26 percent of the remaining nonblack voters affiliate with neither party suggests that their votes may not reliably be cast for either party.
    More at link.

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    The GOP moved left, and these days I see the LP moving left as well. There's no way to stop it.

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    Arrow REPUBLICAN PARTY, RED FROM THE START - Alan Stang

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They were not allowed to vote before that.
    Because of the party of Lincoln's pre-Bolshevik Marxists.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    REPUBLICAN PARTY, RED FROM THE START

    by Alan Stang
    February 1, 2008
    NewsWithViews.com


    Many patriots these days lament that the Republican Party has "lost its way" and "gone wrong." It has "diverged" from the fiscally responsible, small government philosophy of Republican heroes like Robert Taft whom Eisenhower's handlers finagled out of the nomination for President in 1952. We are told that is why today's Republican Establishment hates Dr. Ron Paul with such a passion; that they hate him because, like Taft, he is the quintessential Republican. Patriots who say that are mistaken, of course. The reason the Republican Establishment hates Dr. Paul is precisely that he is not a traditional, mainstream Republican, that his platform of freedom is an aberration. The Republican Party didn't "go wrong," didn't "go left."

    It has been wrong from the beginning, from the day it was founded. From the beginning, the Republican Party has worked without deviation for bigger, more imperial government, for higher taxes, for more wars, for more totalitarianism. From the beginning, the Republican Party has been Red.

    Why? In 1848, Communists rose in revolution across Europe, united by a document prepared for the purpose, entitled Manifesto of the Communist Party. Its author was a degenerate parasite named Karl Marx, whom a small gang of wealthy Communists "the League of Just Men" hired for the purpose. The Manifesto told its adherents and its victims what the Communists would do.


    But the Revolution of 1848 failed. The perpetrators escaped, just ahead of the police. And they went, of course, to the united States. In 1856, the Republican Party ran its first candidate for President. By that time, these Communists from Europe had thoroughly infiltrated this country, especially the North. Many became high ranking officers in the Union Army and top government officials.


    Down through the decades, Americans have wondered about Yankee brutality in that war. Lee invaded the North, but that sublime Christian hero forbade any forays against civilians. Military genius Stonewall Jackson stood like a stone wall and routed the Yankees at Manassas, but when Barbara Frietchie insisted on flying the Yankee flag in Frederick, Maryland, rather than the Stars and Bars, that sublime Christian hero commanded, according to John Greenleaf Whittier, 'Who touches a hair of yon gray head/Dies like a dog! "March on" he said.'

    But the Yankees, invading the South, were monsters, killing, raping and destroying civilian property. In one Georgia town, some 400 women were penned in the town square in the July heat for almost a week without access to female facilities. It got worse when the Yankee slime got into the liquor. Some two thousand Southern women and children were shipped north to labor as slaves. Didn't you learn that in school?

    Sherman's scorched earth March to the Sea was a horror the later Nazis could not equal. Why? Because the Yankees hated Negro slavery so much? There can be no doubt that the already strong Communist influence in the North, combined with that of the maniacal abolitionists, was at least one of the main reasons. Slavery was a tardy excuse, an afterthought they introduced to gain propaganda traction.


    In retrospect, it appears that because nothing like this had ever happened here, Lee and Jackson did not fully comprehend what they were fighting. Had this really been a "Civil" War, rather than a secession, they would and could easily have seized Washington after Manassas and hanged our first Communist President and the other war criminals. Instead they went home, in the mistaken belief that the defeated Yankees would leave them alone. Lee did come to understand -- too late. He said after the war that had he known at the beginning what he had since found out, he would have fought to the last man.


    What was the South fighting? Alexander Hamilton was the nation�s first big government politician. Hamilton wanted a strong central government and a national bank. Vice President Aaron Burr killed Hamilton in a duel. The problem was that Burr didn�t kill him soon enough. Henry Clay inherited and expanded Hamilton's ideas in something called the "American System," which advocated big government subsidies for favored industries and high, ruinous tariffs, what we today call "socialism for the rich." Clay inspired smooth talking railroad lawyer Abraham Lincoln, who inherited the Red escapees from the Revolution of 1848 and became our first Communist President.


    All of this comes again to mind with the recent publication of Red Republicans: Marxism in the Civil War and Lincoln's Marxists (Universe, Lincoln, Nebraska, 2007) by Southern historians Walter D. Kennedy and Al Benson, Jr. You must read this book, because it irrefutably nails down everything I have said above and then some. Let's browse through Red Republicans, and, as we do so, remember that the reason most Americans have never heard of all this is that the winner writes the history.


    For instance, August Willich was a member of the London Communist League with Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Needless to say, Willich became a major general in the Union Army. Robert Rosa belonged to the New York Communist Club and was a major in the 45th New York Infantry. Brigadier general Louis Blenker of New York was a "convinced Marxist." His 10,000 man division looted people in Virginia, inspiring the term "Blenkered." Many of his men were fresh from European prisons. Our first Communist President knew this, but turned them loose on the people of the South.


    In Red Republicans we learn of nine European revolutionaries convicted of treason and banished to Australia. They escaped to the united States and Canada. Three or four of them, with no military experience, became Union generals, joining at least three other Marx confidants who already held that rank. "Every man of the nine became a member of the Canadian Parliament, a governor of a territory or state in the Union, party leader, prime minister or attorney general."


    Many of these men, not all, were Germans, some four thousand of whom escaped to this country. Known as Forty-Eighters, they quickly added violent abolitionism and feminism to their Communist beliefs. In Missouri, Forty-Eighter Franz Sigel became a Union general and had uniforms made for his Third Infantry Regiment that closely resembled the uniforms worn by socialist revolutionaries in Germany in 1849.


    Forty-Eighters who became high ranking Union commanders included Colonel Friedrich Salomon, Ninth Wisconsin, Colonel Fritz Anneke, Thirty Fourth Wisconsin and Colonel Konrad Krez, Twenty Seventh Wisconsin. Communist journalist Karl Heinzen wrote: "If you have to blow up half a continent and cause a bloodbath to destroy the party of barbarism, you should have no scruples of conscience. Anyone who would not joyously sacrifice his life for the satisfaction of exterminating a million barbarians is not a true republican." Heinzen came to this country and supported Lincoln.


    Joseph Weydemeyer had to flee Germany when the Communist Revolution failed. In London he belonged to the Communist League and was a close friend of Marx and Engels. He came to this country in 1851, supported Lincoln, maintained his close friendship with Marx and became a Brigadier General in the Union Army.


    Dedicated socialist Richard Hinton had to leave England. In this country he became a Union colonel, a Radical Republican and an associate of maniac John Brown's. So was Allan Pinkerton, who financed him. At one meeting with Brown, Pinkerton told his son: "Look well upon that man. He is greater than Napoleon and just as great as George Washington." Yes, Pinkerton was the great detective who founded the agency that bears his name. Why didn't you know that? In Kansas, mass murderer Brown enjoyed the support of wealthy Yankees (the Secret Six). August Bondi and Charles Kaiser, who worked with Brown there, were Forty Eighters.


    What about Marx himself? Marx fled to England, where he is buried. He became the European correspondent for socialist Horace Greeley's New York Tribune, whose Managing Editor, Charles Dana, was a Communist. Dana hired Marx as a foreign correspondent. Marx wrote often of his kinship with the new Republican Party. Dana's generosity to Marx kept that scumbag alive.


    Remember that Marx never worked a day to support his family, but did find time to impregnate their maid. Dana later became Assistant Secretary of War. All these people were in place when our first Communist President was elected on the Republican ticket in 1860 and provoked Lincoln�s Communist War to Destroy the Union.


    The GOP Convention of 1860 took place in Chicago, a flaming center of German Communism. Many such Reds were delegates, including Johann Bernhard Stallo and Frederick Hassaurek from Ohio and Heinrich Bornstein from Missouri, a friend of Marx. Socialist Carl Schurz was a delegate from Wisconsin. To guarantee German support in Illinois, Lincoln secretly bought the Illinois Staats Anzieger. After the election he awarded the editor a consular post.

    Socialist Friedrich Kapp was editor of the New Yorker-Abendzeitung. He wrote propaganda for the new Republican Party and helped mightily to deliver the German-American vote to Lincoln. With other Forty-Eighters, he was an elector for Lincoln in 1860. Remember, these are just a few examples. You really need to read the book. Call, toll-free 1 (800) 288-4677 to order.


    Remember that slavery, for these Communists, was just an afterthought, a tool. Before the War for Independence, it was the Southern colonies that petitioned the King to stop importing slaves into the South. Did you know that Jefferson tried to include in the Declaration of Independence a complaint against the King because his government had forbidden the colonies to end the slave trade? Jefferson's language was deleted to avoid giving offense to New England, which was making buckets of money trading slaves.


    Indeed, did you also know that if slavery was what the South fought to defend, all it had to do was stay in the Union? Lincoln made clear that he would defend slavery and would not free slaves owned by a man in a state within the Union: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."


    Remember that the Emancipation Proclamation came well into the war. It was a propaganda stunt that freed only the slaves in areas controlled by the Confederacy; in other words, none. Meanwhile, prominent abolitionist Robert E. Lee, the first man Lincoln offered command of the Union Army, had freed his family's slaves long before the war. So, what were the Communists who came here after?


    Republican Senator John Sherman, brother of the monster who Marched to the Sea, advised his fellow senators to "nationalize as much as possible [making] men love their country before their states. All private interests, all local interests, all banking interests, the interests of individuals, everything, should be subordinate now to the interests of the Government."


    Germany was a decentralized collection of independent states. The goal of the Forty Eighters there was a "united, indivisible republic," in which those states would be dissolved. Land and private industry would be confiscated. The government would be transformed into a Socialist dictatorship. These are the ideas the Forty Eighters came to implement here. By the way, that is what Hitler did in the 1930s. That is what the fleeing Communists found so attractive in Lincoln.

    So, again, the Republican Party did not "go wrong." It was rotten from the start. It has never been anything else but red. The characterization of Republican states as �red states� is quite appropriate. What do these revelations mean to us? Again, Dr. Paul is an aberration. He is not a "traditional Republican." A "traditional Republican" stands for high taxes, imperial government and perpetual war.

    Dr. Paul is much more a traditional Democrat. I refer of course to the Democrat Party before the Communist takeover, which began with the election of Woodrow Federal Reserve-Income Tax-World War I Wilson and was consummated with the election of liar, swindler, thief, traitor and mass murderer Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I am talking about the Democrat Party of Thomas Jefferson.

    So of course the Republican Party will do everything it can to sandbag Dr. Paul. Expect that. It rightly considers him an interloper who doesn't belong there. Yes, because of decades of perversion of popular opinion about the Republican Party, he must run as a Republican. But no patriot loyalty, and certainly no trust, should be forthcoming, because the Party is a sidewinder that will betray him in a Ghouliani minute.

    Dr. No is on one side. The Republicrat Party is on the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Because of the party of Lincoln's pre-Bolshevik Marxists.
    LOL

    The left tells me it was evil conservative Democrats who did it for racist reasons.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    $$$
    There have been reports that current POTUS and his top funder both used to be democrats.


    Adelson, Who Donated Over $100 Million to the GOP, 'Watching' Results With Trump
    In September, the Jewish billionaire Adelson couple pumped $32 million into the GOP
    Nov 07, 2018



    Sheldon Adelson: I Didn't Leave The Democrats, They Left Me

    Nov. 6, 2012,
    Bloomberg
    In a thoughtful opinion piece on how the Democratic Party has changed over the years, casino mogul and philanthropist Sheldon Adelson tried to explain why the party to which he and his family had once so loyally adhered "left" him, not the other way around.

    Adelson and his parents along with other relatives believed in charity, self-reliance and accountability — all hallmarks, the mogul maintains were once part of the Democratic Party in the 1930s and 1940s.

    He noted that at the time, Republicans were considered wealthy elitists who did not care much for issues concerning the Jewish people, and that many times, their country clubs even banned Jews from entering. Adelson explains his upbringing in his Wall Street Journal article this way:

    When members of the Democratic Party booed the inclusion of God and Jerusalem in their party platform this year, I thought of my parents.
    They would have been astounded.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/shel...eft-me-2012-11



    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The GOP moved left, and these days I see the LP moving left as well. There's no way to stop it.
    Conceding that top leadership of GOP-Adelson wing used to be left wing Dems not too long ago, it is not clear if that is a large factor for GOP's move left. Part of it could be just due to passage of time.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

    "As he (Trump) launched his campaign, the conservative National Review reported that he was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009 and praised a Canadian-style universal health care system. Party affiliation in the United States is usually changed by ticking a box while registering to vote and doesn't imply any financial contribution. However Trump has also shown a willingness to contribute considerable sums to Democratic causes - including Hillary Clinton's campaign for Senate in 2002."


    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post
    It's actually very simple. Instead of running as a Democrat, he is running GOP, so he must attack the Democrats. Some of his kids didn't get the memo though.


    People have ability to change, democrats can become conservative Republicans sometimes.
    Don't understand why some conservative purists keep calling them Democrats even now.

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    Republican Socialists?

    Once Sanders bows out, many Democratic socialists may again vote Republican

    by Brian Stewart
    March 15, 2020

    It was recently reported that in 2012, Bernie Sanders had to be pressed hard by then-Senate majority leader Reid not to launch a primary challenge against President Obama. For those who have been paying attention to the recent history of the political left, the surprise here is not that the Vermont Senator and self-proclaimed independent democratic socialist was tempted to revolt against the modern embodiment of the Democratic establishment, but that he was successfully persuaded to resist the temptation. The question is: why?
    This aborted insurrection may be a cause of lingering regret for Sanders after the Democratic establishment mobilized to deny him the party’s nomination in 2016 and has now again rallied behind the old guard in the figure of Joe Biden. Such machinations have led Sanders to openly declare his opposition to partisan elites in toto, and may lead him to stay in the race even after any hope of securing the nomination has vanished. Should he prolong his campaign after the Ides of March––as might be expected of a movement rather than a coalition––the chief effect will be to diminish his already-battered Democratic rival and to bolster President Trump.
    To a limited but energized segment of Sanders’s camp, this may not be the worst imaginable outcome. For this faction-within-a-faction, a conventional Democrat––what Sanders has derided throughout this campaign as a corporate Democrat––poses greater problems than a re-elected Trump administration. This explains why, either in a fit of pique or out of principle, more than 1 in 10 Sanders voters in 2016 pulled the lever for Trump. It’s not a big total, but it’s not nothing.

    https://thebulwark.com/republican-socialists/




    Coronavirus prompts some on the right to reconsider 'socialized medicine'

    It's worth pausing to marvel at the right's occasional embrace of what I like to call "emergency socialism."


    The U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, DC, December 10, 2013.JIM WATSON / AFP/Getty Images
    March 4, 2020, 12:46 PM EST
    By Steve Benen
    The White House is reportedly considering a plan in which uninsured (and under-insured) Americans infected with the coronavirus could receive medical care at nearby hospitals, and the facilities would be reimbursed at Medicare rates.
    In effect, as we discussed earlier, Donald Trump and his team is eyeing something akin to a Medicare-for-All plan -- but only for a little while, and only for those with a very specific ailment.
    How would Republicans in Congress feel about such an approach? Evidently, plenty on the right are on board -- including some of Capitol Hill's fiercest opponents Democratic proposals to expand public access to taxpayer-subsidized care.
    "You can look at it as socialized medicine," Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) told HuffPost on Tuesday. "But in the face of an outbreak, a pandemic, what's your options?" Yoho, one of the most anti-Obamacare lawmakers in Congress, said it would be a "wise thing" for the government to pay for testing and treatment of the uninsured, while also saying he's "not OK with socialized medicine."
    The Florida Republican added that the pending proposal appears to meet the standards for "socialized medicine," though added, "[H]opefully it's not the long-term."

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...icine-n1149746

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    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Federal Reserve Notes of patriotic central banks

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    How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?
    I actually think it happened before a New York Democrat bought the Republican Ticket.

    But it has gotten truly bizarre since then.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP?
    I actually think it happened before a New York Democrat bought the Republican Ticket.

    But it has gotten truly bizarre since then.
    This is such a tough rebuke/political punishment for Bush-Cheney party's current supporters that they are being compelled to applaud a Hillary Clinton donor and big gummit enabling socialist. GOP led Iraq war blunder's political impact could last half a centuty or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    This is such a tough rebuke/political punishment for Bush-Cheney party's current supporters that they are being compelled to applaud a Hillary Clinton donor and big gummit enabling socialist. GOP led Iraq war blunder's political impact could last half a centuty or more.
    And i am just getting to old to be acceptable,,hence some new bugs..

    meh,, good luck with that.

    I couldn't kill me, 2 contracts in prison didn't,, nor the Brown Recluse,or Scarlet Fever...

    And i have been to Ready to go since I was 6..

    Seriously,,Good Luck With That

    Something is coming,,and I have to watch.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 03-31-2020 at 11:05 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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