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Thread: Trump: 'We're losing our A$$ defending you.' (Saudi Arabia)

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    What truly amazes me is the dissonant 'ability' of otherwise thinking minds....
    to somehow divide the actions 'the empire'
    from
    our nation state.
    .... like they're 2 separate things.
    amazing what you can wrap in a flag.
    They are two separate things, the empire has control of other nations and they don't have absolute control over the US, they existed before the US and they shift from one base of operations to another throughout history, we can evict them if we are blessed.
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    President Trump says he knows who was behind the September 11, 2001 attacks, telling ABC News's George Stephanopoulos "Iraq did not knock down the World Trade Center," adding "It were other people. And I think I know who the other people were. And you might also."


    Nearly 3,000 people died when 19 mostly-Saudi terrorists hijacked four passenger planes, flying them into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, while the fourth went down in a Pennsylvania field after passengers allegedly fought back. Astonishingly, the passports of three hijackers were recovered; two at the Pennsylvania crash site, and one from the World Trade Center grounds. While nobody claimed responsibility for the attacks for several months, the NSA and German intelligence reported intercepting communications pointing to al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, after which investigators linked the 19 hijackers to the terrorist organization.
    Trump segued from his 9/11 comments into a criticism of America's military intervention in the Middle East, calling it "the worst decision made in the history of our country," and describing the region as "like quicksand."
    "It was a terrible decision to go into the Middle East. Terrible," said Trump, adding "We’re now up to almost $8 trillion. And when we want to build a roadway, a highway, a school, or something, everyone’s always fighting over money. It’s ridiculous. So that was a bad decision."
    The US, backed by allies including Britain, invaded Afghanistan, where the terror group was being sheltered. But 9/11 was also used as part of the justification for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, more than 4,000 Americans and 179 British troops, and contributed to the rise of the Isis terror group. -Independent
    Trump came under fire during the 2016 election when he claimed "There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations," adding "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down." Defending his comments, Trump pointed to a September 18, 2001 Washington Post article which reads "In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river."

    in April after he tweeted a montage of the 9/11 attacks interspersed between Somali-American Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) downplaying the incident as "some people did something," at a March 23 event for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
    WE WILL NEVER FORGET! pic.twitter.com/VxrGFRFeJM
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019
    Also arrested in the aftermath of the attacks were the so-called five "Dancing Israelis" which locals reported were celebrating around New Jersey.

    five of the Israelis came to the FBI's attention after they were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. -Associated Press via Globe and Mail (2001)
    In 2002, a "high-ranking American intelligence official" told Forward magazine that the men were "conducting a Mossad surveillance mission" - using their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, NJ as a front. According to a 2002 report by ABC News, the FBI suspected the same.
    The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
    When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.
    One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation. -ABC News (2002)
    The Israelis claimed to have been on a "working holiday" in the United States, and were cleared by the FBI to return to Israel. During a media appearance on Israeli TV, one of the men said that they had been in New York at the time to "document the event" according to the 2002 ABC News report.
    In May, the Trump administration complied with a FOIA request to provide redacted black-and-white photos of the men, however they do not appear to shed much additional light.






    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...nd-911-attacks
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Then Donald Trump was warned that the previous interview contradicts the official story…
    On 13 September 2001 Donald, again for the German TV, explained that the tremendous heat of the “fuel” (1600 degrees temperature…) could have taken the buildings down, “because” people were willing to die.
    Starting at the 2:45 mark



    In the following video on 9/11 by James Corbett.
    Rudy Giuliani tells he was warned the Twin Towers would come down (11:52).
    Larry Silverstein tells about his decision to “pull” WTC-7.
    Donald Trump tells that “lucky” Silverstein is a good friend of his.
    It also addresses the plans to make an “event” happen by Mossad. Ehud Barak fingers Osama Bin Laden immediately.
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  6. #34
    US State Department assistant secretary for political-military affairs R. Clarke Cooper explained during a hearing at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that arms sales to Saudi Arabia, is also to export those great American values, like “open society, human rights” (that sounds so much better than assisting genocide...):
    Our policy is not just limited to arms transfers. It is a manifestation of what else we export: open society, human rights. That is a part of our policy.
    Cooper did admit that Washington doesn't consider cutting security ties with partners like Riyadh that carry so much weight for our interests(that’s like admitting that it’s more about oil than “human rights”...).


    In May, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo invoked his emergency powers to authorise $8.1 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
    The Senate blocked the deal: https://www.rt.com/news/463926-senat...ng-arms-sales/
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  7. #35
    Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region are ready to help fund U.S. plans to boost protection for oil tankers and other vessels in and around the Strait of Hormuz, a Saudi official has said, The Wall Street Journal reported July 16.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...-gulf-shipping
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  8. #36
    gtfo of Yemen... no more arms sales to SA... let Israel fight its own wars... get out of the ME.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  9. #37
    The kingdom deserved candidate Trump’s scorn. It is a corrupt totalitarian state, long tied financially to terrorists, yet it treats U.S. soldiers as the personal bodyguards of the royals. Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates recalled meeting King Abdullah, “He wanted a full-scale attack on Iranian military targets, not just the nuclear sites.” This supposed friend of America “was asking the United States to send its sons and daughters into a war with Iran in order to protect the Saudi position in the Gulf and the region, as if we were mercenaries.” From Riyadh’s viewpoint, of course, that is precisely what Americans are.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/co...n-saudi-arabia
    "The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack...that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." "Attack Libya UPDATE 8/13: and Syria"

    "We can track down terrorists without trampling on our civil liberties.... the federal government will only issue warrants and execute searches because it needs to, not because it can." "Need to murder UPDATE 8/13: and track citizens" ~ Barack H. Obama

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