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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The Judges did rule the people and offer them Security and leadership, you need to read more of the Bible than just the parts that suit you.
    God gave them security when they followed Him,, and allowed oppressors (security and Leadership) when the strayed from Him..

    He Raised Judges to Judge the Oppressors.

    Forget the 'bible stories' you were told and read the Book.

    Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines.” Then he pushed with all his might, and the temple fell on the lords and all the people in it. So in his death he killed more than he had killed in his life.
    Philistines offered Security and Leadership,, same as the rest.
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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    God gave them security when they followed Him,, and allowed oppressors (security and Leadership) when the strayed from Him..

    He Raised Judges to Judge the Oppressors.

    Forget the 'bible stories' you were told and read the Book.



    Philistines offered Security and Leadership,, same as the rest.
    GOD gave them security and leadership THROUGH the Judges.

    Read about all of them and not just Sampson, Sampson was pretty much their worst judge ever.
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  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is not the same thing, their attitude towards the law matters as far as my prediction that many of them would have engaged in other criminal activities, that doesn't mean that unjust laws must be obeyed.
    If you don't think that unjust laws must be obeyed, then why does the defiance of an unjust law lead you to predict that the person would have engaged in other criminal activities?



    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's garbage, the only people I described as having criminal tendencies are those that committed actual crimes like burglary, rape and murder.
    You should stick to squirmy nonsense arguments, Wormtongue. It's much less convincing when you blatantly lie.

    Here's where you said it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If drugs weren't illegal many of those convicted of drug crimes would have done something that should be illegal like burglary to chase easy money.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If that is what you want to discuss then it doesn't matter, there are clear logical differences between crimes that should be felonies and crimes that should be misdemeanors and even if some of them are a matter of degree that is somewhat arbitrary
    See? Weasel-word nonsense works so much better.

  5. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you don't think that unjust laws must be obeyed, then why does the defiance of an unjust law lead you to predict that the person would have engaged in other criminal activities?
    Because many of the people who are willing to break one law in return for high profits will be willing to break another, some of them amy only have broken the law because it was unjust but many broke it simply for the money without caring about whether it was unjust or not.




    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    You should stick to squirmy nonsense arguments, Wormtongue. It's much less convincing when you blatantly lie.

    Here's where you said it:
    That's not the same thing, I can't certify that any of those people have criminal tendencies until they break some other law and I said that they should be allowed to vote after being pardoned because of that.
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  6. #215
    Without reading the entire 8 pages to see if anyone else suggested this...

    If someone's criminal offense is so violent or atrocious that we cannot trust them to vote, how do we trust them living amongst us after time served?

    In Other words:

    Either, A- They're too dangerous to ever rejoin society, so they should remain behind bars until their natural demise / executed (different discussion), and they do not vote from prison or the grave.

    Or....

    B- They are trusted to live among "us" once again, and therefore should be trusted to vote alongside "us" and own firearms, once again.

    Boom... Problem solved... whada-eye-win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    Without reading the entire 8 pages to see if anyone else suggested this...

    If someone's criminal offense is so violent or atrocious that we cannot trust them to vote, how do we trust them living amongst us after time served?

    In Other words:

    Either, A- They're too dangerous to ever rejoin society, so they should remain behind bars until their natural demise / executed (different discussion), and they do not vote from prison or the grave.

    Or....

    B- They are trusted to live among "us" once again, and therefore should be trusted to vote alongside "us" and own firearms, once again.

    Boom... Problem solved... whada-eye-win?

    The Wooden Injun: 2020
    It's been suggested, I understand that point of view and I absolutely agree about the guns part but I believe that those with serious criminal tendencies can't be entrusted with the power of government.
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  11. #219
    Even over the top for most "D"s.
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  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's been suggested, I understand that point of view and I absolutely agree about the guns part but I believe that those with serious criminal tendencies can't be entrusted with the power of government.

  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    List his felony convictions.
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  14. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
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  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    List his felony convictions.
    So you would say that no president has ever had criminal tendencies?

    Interesting.

  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    So you would say that no president has ever had criminal tendencies?

    Interesting.
    I didn't say that.
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  18. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    List his felony convictions.

    Moving the goalposts eh? Tendencies have become convictions now? Typically disingenuous.
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  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Moving the goalposts eh? Tendencies have become convictions now. Typically disingenuous.
    LOL

    The only people I said for sure had criminal tendencies were those that had been convicted of legitimate felonies and they are the only ones I said should not be allowed to vote.

    You are moving the goalposts and accusing me of doing so at the same time, that's some pretty heavy spin.

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  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's been suggested, I understand that point of view and I absolutely agree about the guns part but I believe that those with serious criminal tendencies can't be entrusted with the power of government.
    Your every other post is sig material. Who the hell do you think we have in government, boy scouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    As is regularly pointed out on this forum, Trump is an idiot, a liar, and regularly uses bloated exaggeration so why would anyone put much stock into what he says? I think it's easy to figure Trump out. Sorry you are still confused.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  21. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The only people I said for sure had criminal tendencies were those that had been convicted of legitimate felonies and they are the only ones I said should not be allowed to vote.

    You are moving the goalposts and accusing me of doing so at the same time, that's some pretty heavy spin.

    And like usual, you're totally full of $#@!.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    As is regularly pointed out on this forum, Trump is an idiot, a liar, and regularly uses bloated exaggeration so why would anyone put much stock into what he says? I think it's easy to figure Trump out. Sorry you are still confused.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Your every other post is sig material. Who the hell do you think we have in government, boy scouts?
    We can't exclude people until they are caught and convicted.

    Why would we want to leave the people who have been caught and convicted in the voter/candidate pool?
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  23. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    And like usual, you're totally full of $#@!.
    Show me where I have said that anyone but those convicted of legitimate felonies should be excluded from voting or holding office because they have criminal tendencies.
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  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Show me where I have said that anyone but those convicted of legitimate felonies should be excluded from voting or holding office because they have criminal tendencies.
    Don't try your stupid word games with me boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    As is regularly pointed out on this forum, Trump is an idiot, a liar, and regularly uses bloated exaggeration so why would anyone put much stock into what he says? I think it's easy to figure Trump out. Sorry you are still confused.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Don't try your stupid word games with me boy.
    LOL

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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's been suggested, I understand that point of view and I absolutely agree about the guns part but I believe that those with serious criminal tendencies can't be entrusted with the power of government.
    My point being that if they truly have displayed and been convicted of these "serious criminal tendencies", to the point they cannot be trusted at a voting booth, why do we trust them living among our loved ones?

    If they're so bad they can't vote or possess firearms, why are they not in a cage or dead?

  28. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    My point being that if they truly have displayed and been convicted of these "serious criminal tendencies", to the point they cannot be trusted at a voting booth, why do we trust them living among our loved ones?

    If they're so bad they can't vote or possess firearms, why are they not in a cage or dead?
    That's a legitimate point, worthy of discussion.

    Voting isn't a "right".

    I am for having persons convicted, once having served their sentence, having all "natural" rights restored.

    But that's not what is being proposed here.

    Bernie and the rest of the Bolshevik/Jacobin mob want prisoners voting, while still in prison.

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    My point being that if they truly have displayed and been convicted of these "serious criminal tendencies", to the point they cannot be trusted at a voting booth, why do we trust them living among our loved ones?

    If they're so bad they can't vote or possess firearms, why are they not in a cage or dead?
    I see the possibility that they can be trusted with firearms and all of their other rights but not the power of government, government is not only more powerful than owning your own guns but it also confers a seductive element of legitimacy to whatever crimes you direct it to commit on your behalf.
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  30. #236
    Florida lawmakers on Friday approved a measure barring people with felony convictions from registering to vote unless they first pay fines, court fees and restitution that can amount to thousands of dollars.

    The state's House of Representatives approved the bill 67-42 on Friday, a day after it passed the Senate, and it now goes to Governor Ron DeSantis's desk.
    "We do believe in restoration, we do believe in second chances. We also believe in debts being paid," said Representative James Grant, the sponsor of the measure in the Florida House.
    "I think the product that you're seeing has been an effort to reconcile those two things and make sure that when somebody has paid their debt to society they are able to return to vote," Grant told the local WCTV channel.

    After hours of debate, lawmakers reached an agreement under which judges will be able to waive the payments, or allow ex-convicts to pay their debts through community service.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawma...002319851.html
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  32. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    As opposed to people who haven't been convicted stealing from you? Guess what? We're all felons whether we know or not or whether or not we've been caught. Are you sure you've never committed a felony? I'm pretty sure I have.
    The only two people I can say for sure have never committed a felony are myself, and Trump.

    We're both squeaky clean as a whistle
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  33. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The only two people I can say for sure have never committed a felony are myself, and Trump.

    We're both squeaky clean as a whistle
    I know a lot of people who have never been caught .
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  34. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The only two people I can say for sure have never committed a felony are myself, and Trump.

    We're both squeaky clean as a whistle
    Well, you know me and I've also never committed a felony. There's 3.
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