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Thread: Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

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    Exclamation Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

    Simple:

    They tend to vote for Bolsheviks.


    Marc Meredith, PhD, Assistant Professor of Political Science and Business Economics at the University of Pennsylvania, and Michael Morse, Research Fellow at Stanford Law School, stated the following in their Nov. 18, 2013 article "Do Voting Rights Notification Laws Increase Ex-Felon Turnout?," published in the Annals of the American Academy of Political Science:

    "[In New York] ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records...

    [R]egistered ex-felons in New Mexico tend to be overwhelmingly Democrat: 51.9 percent match to only registered Democrats, 18.9 percent match to only registered Republicans, 21.7 percent match to only individuals registered neither as Democrats nor Republicans, and 7.5 percent match to multiple individuals who affiliate with different parties"

    https://felonvoting.procon.org/view....stionID=000662



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    We just need to smile more. We vote hard. Why don't we smile hard?
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    This is getting silly.
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    Socialism/communism is a manifestation of criminal tendencies, it is only logical that criminals will favor such policies that give them "free" stuff by stealing from everyone else.

    Criminality should disqualify you from voting because voting is one of the most dangerous activities on the planet and the criminal has demonstrated his flawed character.
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    The same reason they flood the country with illegal immigrants, want to get rid of the electoral college, call opposing viewpoints racist, misogynistic, etc., etc., etc.

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    If you ask them, they will tell you, they are trying to save our 'democracy.'

  7. #6
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    We just need to smile more. We vote hard. Why don't we smile hard?
    A combination of smiling hard and voting hard will do just the trick.
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    As to the OP, you don't see a lot of felons voting for Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    As to the OP, you don't see a lot of felons voting for Republicans.
    Well, we had discussed this topic and I wasn't able to come up with anything that indicated, with some form of "hard" data, just which way felons aligned.

    This survey suggests a leftist alignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.
    How is it the right thing to do to allow criminals to use government to steal from me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.
    Voting is not a "right".

    I'm much more inclined to remove a felon's 2nd Amendment restrictions, than afford them a vote, as I am opposed to anything that lets more idiot AmeriKunts anywhere close to a voting booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Voting is not a "right".

    I'm much more inclined to remove a felon's 2nd Amendment restrictions, than afford them a vote, as I am opposed to anything that lets more idiot AmeriKunts anywhere close to a voting booth.
    +Rep

    Even a criminal has a right to defend themselves but criminals do not have a right to set the rules of society.
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    They are just not right. Most of them would not be in prison at all if libertarians had their way.
    Do something Dodgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    They are just not right. Most of them would not be in prison at all if libertarians had their way.
    That is debatable.

    Many of them would not but I do not believe that most of them would not.
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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL...I saw that earlier.

    Pretty bad when you've lurched so far left that you lose Cher.
    As conditions get worse some people will actually learn and shift rightward.


    Most will not, for the most part people do not change.

    I'm not sure yet if Cher is shifting or if the left has just gone so far overboard that they left her behind as you suggest.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL...I saw that earlier.

    Pretty bad when you've lurched so far left that you lose Cher.
    Something definitely burst her utopian fantasy bubble... lol

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    We just need to smile more. We vote hard. Why don't we smile hard?
    I learned this trick at Re-Neducation Camp


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    Bernie Sanders Vows To Round Up Remaining ISIS Members, Allow Them To Vote
    April 23rd, 2019


    U.S.—During a CNN town hall event Monday evening, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders came out tough on terror, vowing to do what was needed to round up the remaining members of ISIS in order to give them the right to vote in US elections.


    "As president, I will do everything in my power to hunt down each and every one of these terrorist scumbags, bring them to the U.S., and allow them to vote in our elections," he said sternly, drawing applause from his supporters. "We believe in democracy, right? We believe in democracy and the right to vote, and if that means I have to use every resource at my disposal to make sure ISIS makes it to the polls, I will do so."
    "This is America, after all," he said, wildly flailing his hands about before aides rushed to him and gave him his meds to calm him down.

    After being pressed, Sanders admitted that part of the reason for the policy is that he's "pretty confident" ISIS will vote for Democrats such as himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Bernie Sanders Vows To Round Up Remaining ISIS Members, Allow Them To Vote
    April 23rd, 2019


    U.S.—During a CNN town hall event Monday evening, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders came out tough on terror, vowing to do what was needed to round up the remaining members of ISIS in order to give them the right to vote in US elections.


    "As president, I will do everything in my power to hunt down each and every one of these terrorist scumbags, bring them to the U.S., and allow them to vote in our elections," he said sternly, drawing applause from his supporters. "We believe in democracy, right? We believe in democracy and the right to vote, and if that means I have to use every resource at my disposal to make sure ISIS makes it to the polls, I will do so."
    "This is America, after all," he said, wildly flailing his hands about before aides rushed to him and gave him his meds to calm him down.

    After being pressed, Sanders admitted that part of the reason for the policy is that he's "pretty confident" ISIS will vote for Democrats such as himself.

    LOL
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    What does it say about the modern-day Democrat Party that @BernieSanders and @KamalaHarris seem more concerned about giving mass murderers like the Boston Marathon Bomber voting rights, than protecting the civil rights of law abiding American citizens who legally own guns?
    — Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) April 23, 2019
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    We should not be surprised that those on the Left look upon murderers, robbers, and rapists as just another potential voting bloc that they can count on to keep them in power, but Reason magazine, a libertarian publication that often runs some good investigative articles, also favors letting imprisoned convicts cast a ballot. The article asserts that there are “plenty of people who are in prison who deserve to be free. Don’t they deserve to have a voice in American democracy as well?”
    Sadly, Reason misses the point just as much as the left-wing Daily Beast. The purpose of government is not to ensure that the will of the majority prevails, but instead is to ensure that our rights to life, liberty, and property are protected — and many of those inside prison walls are who we need to be protected from. Both publications use the word “democracy” to describe our system of government.
    Democracy simply means that the people rule. But as noted by Alexis de Tocqueville, we can suffer under the “tyranny of the majority” just as much as from an oligarchy or a monarchy. Just because the majority votes to take our property — simply because they want it, we have it, and they do not — does not make it morally correct.
    Our Constitution created a republic, not a democracy. A democracy, as it has been bluntly put, is like two wolves and one sheep deciding what’s for dinner. If we were a democracy, then the Bill of Rights would be redundant — indeed the entire Constitution would be redundant.
    John Locke argued that criminals broke an implicit social contract. Such a rule-breakers should lose their right to participate in the making of the rules, because, after all, rule-breakers are the reason we even have government to protect our God-given rights. Locke’s social contract theory was the foundation for the Declaration of Independence, which declares, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
    Note that the Declaration clearly states the purpose of government: to secure our rights. Government’s “just” powers are derived from the consent of the governed. In other words, the “just” powers of the government are those that carry out the purpose of government, i.e., to secure our basic rights. Even the majority must exercise only those powers of government that are just.
    We do not create government so the majority can take our property via a vote. If one person wants to practice a religion, that person should be allowed to freely practice that religion, regardless what the majority think, unless the religion infringes on another person’s rights. Yet, under “democracy,” the majority can dictate the religious practices of the minority.

    More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...out-government
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    reinforcement$?

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?



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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    They are just not right. Most of them would not be in prison at all if libertarians had their way.
    If I had my way, nonviolent drug felons wouldn't be in prison.
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    Democracy simply means that the people rule. But as noted by Alexis de Tocqueville, we can suffer under the “tyranny of the majority” just as much as from an oligarchy or a monarchy. Just because the majority votes to take our property — simply because they want it, we have it, and they do not — does not make it morally correct.
    Another sign of how upside down things have become, when the JBS has to lecture Reason about democracies and republics and property rights.


  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Another sign of how upside down things have become, when the JBS has to lecture Reason about democracies and republics and property rights.

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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I agree.
    Then maybe you can answer my question:

    How is it the right thing to do to allow criminals to use government to steal from me?


    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    If I had my way, nonviolent drug felons wouldn't be in prison.
    I agree but many of them would have gone into some other actually criminal line of work and ended up as felons anyway.

    I am all for total restoration of rights to a pristine state for fake crimes but allowing actual felons to vote WHILE INCARCERATED is beyond insanity, I am against letting actual felons vote after they get out because they have demonstrated their moral turpitude.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.
    +rep
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well it's the right thing to do, I'm not sure if that's their main reason for supporting it though. To me it doesn't really matter what their motivation is for supporting it.
    Yup..
    and for clarification,, I am not for voting rights while in Prison under conviction..
    Pre conviction,,, awaiting trial. (assumed Innocent) They should be able to vote..

    and at the end of sentence.. and I am in Favor of FULL Restoration of Rights on completion.. and that doesn't happen.
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