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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Courts will decide if they are legit or not.
    And most of them are not.

    We also just need to pull in the welcome mat, we can't afford to grant asylum to all of the legitimate petitioners.
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  3. #92
    Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

    Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

    So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

    Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

    I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

    Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

    So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

    Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

    I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.
    I have had questions about it too but I don't know enough to say more than just that I have questions.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

    Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

    So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

    Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

    I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.
    I didn't hear anything about them finding him and letting him go.
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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Sorry, but am I the only one that finds this entire thing fishy?

    Thailand trying track down an American to kill him because he was in international waters?

    So...they found him, forced him to break down the seastead, let him go, and there is now an active manhunt for him? Am I missing something?

    Thailand has a major tourism reputation to protect. Americans are some of the biggest travelers to the country. You'd think they would go through some official channels before trying to kill one of us.

    I don't buy the story...the whole thing just felt off to me.
    Somehow they got tipped off that the govt was coming and fled beforehand. they were not there when the officials tore down the seastead.

  7. #96
    Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?
    Yes they do. They also don't declare themselves independent and arguably invite the aggression.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 05-07-2019 at 05:30 AM.

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?
    Ya , they pay taxes , fees , licenses I am sure and are of a certain country and not whatever they want to make up so they are going to be good to go .
    Do something Danke

  11. #99
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Folks are still having issues with this:

    45 percent of the earth is still unclaimed and free from any state’s jurisdiction.
    That is just flat out not true.

    Under UNCLOS, SOLAS, IMO and ILO agreements, any vessel, spar, drilling rig, anything above or below the sea is subject to UN regulations under these and other alphabet soup agencies.

    You may be able to dodge these if you are small enough, a small sailing vessel, a tiny spar like Elwar had, BUT you will not be allowed ashore anywhere.

    Port State Control will not allow you or your vessel into the country or ashore if you are not in compliance.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

  13. #101
    I have submitted Elwar's story to Slashdot 3 separate times to try and gain more exposure for his case but unfortunately the editors apparently don't deem it worthy enough to post (not sure why).


    Yes I agree, it was a dumb thing to do on his part as previously discussed. 5 minutes of researching maritime law would show that he would have been better off shooting up heroin in front of a police officer than pulling this particular stunt. He was warned but chose to ignore the warnings. You can lead a horse to water...

    Anyway, hopefully he comes out of this ok and even more importantly, hopefully more people realize that governments must be fought politically on land because they sure aren't going to just let you "leave"
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  15. #103
    Seasteading Institute urges leniency in press release:

    https://www.seasteading.org/floating...fshore-couple/
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  16. #104
    @Elwar is logged in.

    Any updates?
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @Elwar is logged in.

    Any updates?
    He's gone now but he must be loose and not behind bars.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  19. #106
    a good sign!
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

  20. #107
    He is actively posting on Facebook
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    He is actively posting on Facebook
    Link or copypasta?
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  22. #109
    Nothing shows up on google search since late April early May.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Do Oil Rigs sport Flags? What country was drilling oil there before? Is the entire incident based on not flying colors?
    Yes they do. They also don't declare themselves independent and arguably invite the aggression.
    They might if they are abandoned. Not an oil rig, but ...

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  24. #111
    Thanks for all of the support here folks.

    Here is our first interview since fleeing Thailand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWqxRAQ7Ts
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    Thanks for all of the support here folks.

    Here is our first interview since fleeing Thailand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWqxRAQ7Ts
    Good to see you are not in a Thai jailhouse.

    Will watch as soon as I have video access.

    Good to hear from you.
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    Thanks for all of the support here folks.

    Here is our first interview since fleeing Thailand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWqxRAQ7Ts
    Good to hear that you're not in jail.
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  28. #114
    Awesome.
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  29. #115
    I love Thai girls.

    Glad you're safe.

  30. #116
    Good news.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  31. #117
    Good to know you're okay.

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