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    Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794



    The cause is not yet clear, but officials say it could be linked to renovation work.

    Images on social media show plumes of smoke billowing into the air above the the 850-year-old Gothic building.

    Last year, the Catholic Church in France launched an urgent appeal for funds to save the cathedral, which was starting to crumble.

    A major operation is under way to tackle the blaze, which broke out on Monday afternoon, and an area surrounding the building in central Paris has been cleared, officials said.


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    Yeah I don't think it will be saveable. It has to be reconstructed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Yeah I don't think it will be saveable. It has to be reconstructed....
    You think modern day craftsmen have that ability?

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    Hope Quasimodo made it out alive
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You think modern day craftsmen have that ability?
    Modern-day craftsmen were hard at work on it today.

    And may be responsible for the fire...

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Hope Quasimodo make it out alive
    I'm wondering if this was foretold by a Nostradamus quatrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Modern-day craftsmen were hard at work on it today.

    And may be responsible for the fire...



    I'm wondering if this was foretold by a Nostradamus quatrain.
    My lore of Notre Dame cathedral stops where the Disney movie ends. Did Nostradams predict the burning down of the Cathedral?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I'm wondering if this was foretold by a Nostradamus quatrain.




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    Seems like they would have put in a sprinkler system by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Seems like they would have put in a sprinkler system by now.
    Long, long ago.



    Just a mite inadequate, though.
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    Just an accident..




    Or was it?

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    Satanic symbols and shattered statues: Several Catholic churches have been under attack in France
    4/2/19
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.507fed65fa7f

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    Wonder who could be responsible for church fires if they were under attack.
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    Is it wrong that my first thought was "ISIS"? ISIS seems to have a particular disdain for historical sites, so I was thinkinig at first that perhaps they had a hand in starting the Notre Dame fire. It could have easily been an accident, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Wonder who could be responsible for church fires if they were under attack.
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    Trump's fault, surely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    Is it wrong that my first thought was "ISIS"? ISIS seems to have a particular disdain for historical sites, so I was thinkinig at first that perhaps they had a hand in starting the Notre Dame fire. It could have easily been an accident, though.
    ISIS is just one of the many clubs the Bolsheviks beat over the head of the West. However indoctrinated guilt is probably the most diabolical weapon that they use.

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    I doubt they will ever be able to replicate the beauty and craftsmanship that went into the creation of Notre-Dame. The spire was made of oak and lead and weighed 750 tons. I've heard it mentioned that there is 52 acres of wood in the entire structure. Also lost were religious items that cannot be replaced. A piece of the the Crown of Thorns and relics of Denis and Saint Genevieve.

    A terrible loss of an architectural work of art.

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    Diversity is Our Strength.

    France: Average of Three Church Attacks Per Day

    French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

    A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

    According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

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    It's bad.



    It was gutted.

    The three rose windows--ancient and outstanding stained glass--"exploded" from the heat.
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    It is thought to be the finest example of French Gothic architecture. Ancient and irreplaceable relics are housed there. Regardless of one’s faith tradition, this is significant loss to the world.
    Do something Dodgers.

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    It happened before. Why would Christians be treated differently than Buddhists?

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    France: Average of Three Church Attacks Per Day

    French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

    A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

    According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Diversity is Our Strength.

    France: Average of Three Church Attacks Per Day

    French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

    A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

    According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.
    Probably Nigerians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I doubt they will ever be able to replicate the beauty and craftsmanship that went into the creation of Notre-Dame. The spire was made of oak and lead and weighed 750 tons. I've heard it mentioned that there is 52 acres of wood in the entire structure. Also lost were religious items that cannot be replaced. A piece of the the Crown of Thorns and relics of Denis and Saint Genevieve.

    A terrible loss of an architectural work of art.
    Uh oh. It’s going to be a toxic mess. Some of that may end up in the river too.
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    Accidental fires at construction sites are pretty common. Intentional arson fires at construction sites are also common. Flip a coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Satanic symbols and shattered statues: Several Catholic churches have been under attack in France
    4/2/19
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.507fed65fa7f
    I could be wrong but thought almost all or vast majority of French were Catholic, so such a view should not be relevant there unlike a Protestant majority nation like US where some on extreme ends may see catholic symbols as 'satanic symbols'.
    This article seems to be pointing towards thieves, bored teens etc, that's quite a departure from recent history where generally foreign linked groups usually have been the first suspects. Although in recent Church fires in the West there have been also so called domestic 'hate crimes' like recent other Church fires also in US media news today. It is still bit extraordinary that media is quite cautious in not naming any suspect groups soon after an incidence like this.

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    The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.

    They should rename Paris while they are at it.

    Ishmael sounds like a good name.

    Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.

    Or a church to Unitarian Universalism!

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    The walls are still standing, including the two bell towers.

    It'll never be the same, but it's still there.
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