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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1118601914147639296





    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1118540482940932098


    There is more at the thread.
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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    They can essentially buy the building with their donations, then push for some woke-joke of a re-design to "bring us all together".
    Yeah. I have been picturing some modern art monstrosity, like a crystal cathedral with a minaret topped with a rainbow flag.

  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Catholic church doesn't own the cathedral. It was nationalized long ago by the Frogs. Herro?
    .
    So, the French government is happier about funding its expensive restoration than the RCC, or less ruthless?

    Hello yourself. Other than you approve of genocide, do you have a point?
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  5. #184
    https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117961741026177024

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  7. #185
    I saw this live on Monday and nearly wept.

    Thank God the basic structure was saved.

    Macron handled the situation well, and around one thousand million dollars have been pledged to rebuild.

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  8. #186
    Yellow Vest protests to continue, banned near Notre Dame. Also, claims a computer glitch caused the computerize fire-detection system to misidentify where the fire was occurring.
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  9. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, the French government is happier about funding its expensive restoration than the RCC, or less ruthless?
    What does that even mean?

    Hello yourself. Other than you approve of genocide, do you have a point?
    Such Łber-FAIL here... "approve of genocide"... appeal to emotion FAIL. Try again prease.
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  10. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Thank God the basic structure was saved.
    That is yet to be seen. Limestone does NOT tolerate heat well at all. Chances are at least fair that a very large proportion of the stone will have to be replaced. That will cost BILLIONS. Not one billion, but many. The cost of the stock alone will be huge. Cutting the stones stands to represent herniating labor expenses. I am friends with who is perhaps the single best stone mason on the planet, Nick Fairplay. See his work here: Nicholas Fairplay, Master Stone Carverhttps://fairplaystonecarver.com/

    Ask HIM how long and how many people it will take to replace the faÁade work, tracery, etc. Macron is an ignorant jerkoff - he said he'd have it done in 5 years. We will be lucky to get it done in 50.

    Note that anything physically low that is ruined means everything above it must be removed. The one bit of the structure that is almost certainly intact is the granite structure beneath the limetone. That's the real structure. The limestone is just the fancy bit, but without it the cathedral is not a cathedral.

    Oh, and dismantling the stonework is delicate proceedings, and $$$$$$$$$$.

    This is a huge undertaking.

    Also, all the $$ pledged, once collected and should be immediately invested in order to grow and become at least partly self-sustaining.

    Macron handled the situation well,
    No, he did not. He handled it like a ham-fisted $#@!. The damned fire was barely started and that festering anus pustule was already calling it an "accident".

    AND the dildo he rode in on.

    and around one thousand million dollars have been pledged to rebuild.
    And I will believe it when I see it. Not the pledges, but the rebuild. Let us recall that the Frog government is no friend of the church, which is why the RCC no longer owns ND. It was stolen from them.

    I give it about even odds that if the funds are ever delivered, there will emerge some "crisis" and those monies will be sucked into a black hole, the cathedral left to rot awhile and then sold for the site of a future mosque.

    Don't laugh... far crazier things have happened... like electing Obammy.
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  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    What does that even mean?
    It means your nitpicking failed to invalidate my point, as any third grader could tell you.

    But then, the fallacy fallacy was always a favorite of yours. I suppose you'll nitpick the word 'nitpicking' now?

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Such Łber-FAIL here... "approve of genocide"... appeal to emotion FAIL. Try again prease.
    What you were advocating was something other than genocide? No? So was I supposed to use some other, less evocative term for genocide? What euphemism for genocide do you prefer? Carthaginian peace? Final Solution?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 04-21-2019 at 08:12 AM.
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  12. #190
    Time is on the side of the rebuilding. It took 100 years to do it the first time. Why would anyone think is should be rebuilt quickly?

  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is more at the thread.

    This is in no way surprising. These projects are not undertaken by just anyone who hangs a shingle that says "Restorations R Us". These companies are generally very well experienced and the protocols for doing such work are now very well developed and understood. The claim that this was an "accident" is thin and anemic as the devil. It doesn't track at all with reality.

    Also, I cannot begin to imagine that such a company does not carry super-heavy insurance. The Frog government would not allow anyone to even approach without it. T he thing to watch for, then, is whether the Frogs attempt to make a cliam against the restoration organization. I am willing to bet you will see no such attempt because the moment they do, the insurance investigators will be on it like stink on rice. If the scene is tainted, the insurers will decline for that reason. If they find arson, same result.

    The LAST thing the Frog "authorities" want is for the truth to emerge. That much is plain. What is not yet clear is how far they are willing to ride the lies and deceit pursuant to the "accident" story. I wonder if sinking Notre Dame will prove sufficient incentive to break the Frogs' heads out of their brie-lined sphincters. I doubt it, but look forward to being proved wrong.
    Last edited by osan; 04-21-2019 at 09:04 AM.
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  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It means your nitpicking failed to invalidate my point, as any third grader could tell you.

    But then, the fallacy fallacy was always a favorite of yours. I suppose you'll nitpick the word 'nitpicking' now?



    What you were advocating was something other than genocide? No? So was I supposed to use some other, less evocative term for genocide? What euphemism for genocide do you prefer? Carthaginian peace? Final Solution?

    Have you nothing better to do than occupy your time in this manner?
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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Have you nothing better to do than occupy your time in this manner?
    There is something better to do than speak out against genocide? Particularly when someone is advocating genocide in response to a possible crime which could have been committed by a single individual, and there isn't even circumstantial evidence that crime (if one was committed at all) was done by a member of that group?

    Apparently you have nothing better to do. You keep responding.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't really care if I happen to be wrong about your positions, you are wrong about mine.

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Time is on the side of the rebuilding. It took 100 years to do it the first time. Why would anyone think is should be rebuilt quickly?
    Is it? Surely the carcass could sit for centuries, largely unchanged. But do the Frogs have the will to rebuild it? Is the Frog government interested, Macron's talk notwithstanding? Perhaps... perhaps not. Those dingleberries are capable of anything. I can as easily see the Frogs selling it for a mosque. More easily, in fact. It would be just the poke in the eye to the French people that the Frogs might enjoy delivering. French politics as shelled out by the Frogs is about unquestioning obedience in the face of any outrage heaped upon the suckers, after all.
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  18. #195
    Yellow Vest protesters return to the streets enraged by billions pledged to rebuild Notre Dame



    Flames burned iconic Notre Dame church for hours

    Yellow Vest protestors in Paris battled police during violent clashes Saturday -- newly enraged at the more than billion dollars that have been pledged to rebuild fire-damaged Notre Dame Cathedral, overshadowing their anti-wealth cause.
    Black-hooded demonstrators set fire to trash cans, scooters and a car and pelted police with rocks to draw attention anew to their 23rd weekend of protest.
    Many protesters are frustrated that the international effort to help Notre Dame has drawn more attention than their five-month-old Yellow Vest movement against wealth inequality, The Associated Press reported.


    A man runs by a burning motorbike during a demonstration in Paris, Saturday. (AP)



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  19. #196
    In light of Sri Lanka...still think this was an accidental fire?

  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In light of Sri Lanka...still think this was an accidental fire?
    It can't have been, even without Sri Lanka.
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  21. #198
    Modern architects have begun circling the charred remains of Notre Dame, proposing that it should not be faithfully restored, but rebuilt with “contemporary” features such as a glass roof, steel spire, or even a minaret.

    With leading academics and professionals in architecture generally being hostile to building or restoring anything in styles predating the infamous Le Corbusier (Charles-…douard Jeanneret) and the Bauhaus school, they were quick to pounce when President Emmanuel Macron’s prime minister announced there would be a competition to “ask the question of whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived… Or if, as is often the case in the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire”.
    The Telegraph published an article claiming it would be a “travesty” to restore Notre Dame as it was just a day after the fire, while Rolling Stone quoted a Harvard architecture historian as saying that the burning of a building “so overburdened with meaning… feels like an act of liberation.”
    Now proposals for a new spire are beginning to come together, and leading architects do indeed appear to be pushing for a “contemporary” replacement in the ubiquitous glass and steel style used for modern buildings all over the world.


    https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status...51741509263360



    Lord Norman Foster, arguably Britain’s most famous modern architect, has unveiled a design topping the ancient cathedral with a glass and steel canopy with a featureless glass and steel spire, which he describes as “a work of art about light” which would be “contemporary and very spiritual and capture the confident spirit of the time” in comments to The Times.
    Ian Ritchie, a modern architect most famous for the so-called Spire of Dublin — a metal spike erected in the Irish capital — is mulling a proposal along similar lines, which he describes as “a refracting, super-slender reflecting crystal to heaven” or a “beautiful contemporary tracery of glass crystals and stainless steel” — i.e. a featureless glass and steel spire.


    Perhaps most controversial is a proposal in Domus, the architecture magazine, by Tom Wilkinson, for the fallen spire to be replaced with an Islamic minaret, to memorialise Algerians who protested the French government in the 1960s.
    “These victims of the state could be memorialised by replacing [the spire] with – why not? – a graceful minaret,” Wilkinson insisted.

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...et-notre-dame/

    Converting churches to mosques has always been an islamic conquest tradition.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #203
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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