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    I知 Jumping Off the Trump Train: Assange Was the Last Straw

    On March 6, 2016, this Deplorable issued a statement formally endorsing Donald J. Trump for the presidency of the United State.

    I now hereby withdraw that endorsement.

    No doubt this declaration from your Working Boy will be greeted with the same deafening indifference as my earlier less than earth-shattering announcement of support.

    Keep calm. The planet will continue to spin on its axis at a 23.44 degree tilt.

    As I tweeted on April 4, when it appeared that Ecuadorian President Lenn [sic] Moreno was going to cough up Julian Assange:

    的f this comes to pass & #JulianAssange is brought to #US in chains like a Gaulish chieftain in a Roman triumph can we definitively declare that any possible #Trump revolution is over & the #DeepState won?

    A quick perusal of social media since Assange痴 arrest shows that many others have reached a similar conclusion.

    But why? To be sure, there have been other betrayals. The two strikes on Syria on phony chemical warfare accusations come immediately to mind. Or Trump痴 failure to build the Mexican wall, coupled with repeated humiliating defeats in Congress with the predictability of Charlie Brown痴 getting suckered by Lucy into trying to kick the football.

    At the same time there were excuses. On Syria, maybe the President was fed false intelligence. Or maybe Ivanka was upset: Daaaddyyy, you have to dooo something! Or maybe Trump knew the CW accusations against Damascus were fake but felt he had to act (an ominous sign in itself) to deflect charges of being Putin痴 puppet, hence what could be deemed deliberately pinprick pro forma strikes. On the wall, well you can稚 trust lawyers advice, he just doesn稚 understand his legal authority well enough, or maybe he

    But the Assange arrest and his upcoming renditi- oops! extradition to the United States are different. There痴 no nuance. No excuse. No false intel report. No poor legal advice.

    It痴 plain and simple. The same entities (Deep State, permanent government, the oligarchy, the Borg, whatever term you like) that targeted Trump with the phony Russia collusion narrative want Assange痴 scalp nailed to the wall. It痴 one thing for favored outlets like the Washington Post and CNN to disseminate classified information that favors the Deep State, quite another to reveal information contrary to its interests. As the premier dispenser of embarrassing secrets that facilitates online dissidence from the established narrative (also under attack by governments and their tech giant accomplices) an example must be made of Assange pour encourager les autres. He can count on being sentenced to rotting for decades in a nasty Office Space federal prison (the US will gladly waive the death penalty to spare the Brits prissy Euro-consciences) but may very well die soon enough of natural causes, perhaps like Slobodan Milo啼vić.

    An essential role in Assange痴 betrayal by Moreno was played by Trump痴 Veep Mike Pence and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Former President Rafael Correa says a direct condition of Moreno痴 getting a $4.2 billion IMF loan was Assange痴 head on a platter. That痴 a lot more plausible than establishment media reports that Assange was ejected for transgressing the Ecuadorians fastidious hygiene standards, which (whether based in fact or not) are just cynical defamations to justify his upcoming lynching.

    It痴 irrelevant whether Trump who theoretically is the boss of all US agency operatives working with their Brit colleagues to get their mitts on Assange let the nab go forward because he was unwilling to order his minions to stand down or was powerless to do so. In that regard, it痴 similar to pointlessly asking why he has the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad national security team he does. Is it because of Javanka? Is it because he痴 beholden to a gaggle of oligarchs? (Supposedly his being a self-financed billionaire made him immune from such influences.) Is it areflection of a personality disorder?

    In the end it doesn稚 matter why, all that matters is what is. With Assange痴 arrest Trump is now exposed as the wholly owned subsidiary of the Swamp he ran against. He痴 now just a wheel fixed to an axle. All he can do now is it spin.

    ................
    As for what we hoped he might deliver to 溺ake America Great Again, we can see now that the answers to all of the above questions are and will remain an emphatic No. Sure, we got a marginally better tax bill passed, something that any Republican White House and Congress would have done. He may have made minor progress on trade. If we are really lucky, he値l get another Supreme Court pick and Roe v. Wade will be overturned marvelous to be sure, but it won稚 same this country.

    Trump has utterly failed to control the border, much less deal with related issues like remittances, birthright citizenship, and aliens illegally voting. As retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor observes: 鉄urely, Trump should have concluded by now that without an Executive Order that commits the US Army to the defense of the southern border and limits cross-border traffic to legitimate commercial activity, mass illegal immigration will not stop In a word, Trump refuses to take command and match rhetoric with action, then he will join the pantheon of failed presidents that promised the world only, this time, the American Republic痴 existence hangs in the balance.

    Unfortunately, Trump痴 appointees uniformly neoconservatives, Bush-era warmongers, and GOP apparatchiki have better things for our military to do than defending our own country, to which they are at best indifferent. We can be thankful that Trump hasn稚 started any new wars, yet, but his underlings dogged commitment to regime change in Venezuela and Iran may change that. His outreach to North Korea hangs by a thread in the face of blatant attempts to sabotage it.

    ...............
    The man who had what is almost certainly to have been the last peaceful, political chance save what痴 left of the American republic will thrash around for a few more years, having become little more than a catalyst for our nation痴 demise and perhaps its dissolution.

    This is not to say that there is no hope. Maybe tomorrow Trump will pardon Assange. Maybe he値l decide to militarize the Mexican border. Maybe he値l fire his whole national security team and, for good measure, pull us out of Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and NATO. Maybe Barr really will hold the FISA miscreants to account. Maybe

    maybe there will be an outpouring of miracles that match the one that occurred when Trump improbably was elected in the first place. But as is the case with miracles, the odds are not good.

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    Friends like these, eh Gary?
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    This is not to say that there is no hope. Maybe tomorrow Trump will pardon Assange. Maybe he’ll decide to militarize the Mexican border. Maybe he’ll fire his whole national security team and, for good measure, pull us out of Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq – and NATO. Maybe Barr really will hold the FISA miscreants to account. Maybe…
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    Yup,,as inconsistent as he is prolific..

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    He was different when he acted more independently and pissed off the GOP as much as the DEMs. What has he done lately to piss of the GOP?
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    I have a feeling Trump might be using Julian to expose some traitors within the republic and then plans to pardon him.

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    Trump Delusion Syndrome as bad as the Trump Derangement Syndrome

    When I read the comments of the remaining Trump 4d chess delusion sufferers, I am astounded to see level of fantasy hallucinations getting more deranged. Those who think Trump’s sponsored kidnapping for rendition, persecution, and charging of someone over which the empire has no legal jurisdiction is really a brilliant benevolent 4d chess move by the grand messiah Trump to destroy a hoax that has already been destroyed, or to free a man he could free simply by dropping the extradition request, or issuing a pardon is completely deluded.

    Neocon infested Trump is having the hero kidnapped and threatened for some brilliant move to actually save Assange. Right, and maybe magical unicorns will spring from Trump A$$ and free Assange, and fire his entire cabinet and replace them with freedom lovers, and investigate the CIA and investigate the FBI, and prosecute the torturers and murderers, and criminals, and erase the debt, and close the foreign bases, and end the occupations, and build the wall, and eliminate the debt whatever other fantastical delusions the Trump delusion sufferers are still suffering from.

    The perpetual excuses proffered by the Trump delusion crowd for all the misdeeds, failures and betrayals by the idiot Trump are getting lamer and lamer.

    Trump is not in control. He has surrendered to deep state masters. Whatever the NSA or deep state has on him, he is a sell out for giving in - that is if he ever was sincere to begin with. He has betrayed his supporters. He has betrayed the nation. He is a traitor, a betrayer, a liar, an idiot, a fool, a warmonger, an economic illiterate, a neocon.

    Trump did not reopen the investigation on Assange that the prior administration already closed, and convene a secret grand jury, and allow the secret indictment against Assange or his kidnapping because he is helping Assange. Only a mindless fool could possibly think such at this point. Trump is not some holy messiah with a secret plan to be revealed his last year in office. He is a walking idiotic ego happy to be the finger puppet for his deep state selected handlers Pompeo and Bolton.

    The level of fantasy hallucinations of the remaining Trump 4d chess delusion sufferers are getting more deranged. Those who think Trump’s sponsored kidnapping for rendition, persecution, and charging of someone over which the empire has no legal jurisdiction is really a brilliant benevolent 4d chess move by the grand messiah Trump to free Assange, a man he could free simply by dropping the extradition request, or issuing a pardon is completely deluded.

    Nor is this rendition attempt, as some Trump delusion Qanon fools fantasize, to kidnap Assange to America to compel Assange to destroy the Russia hoax that has already been destroyed. The Russian collusion hoax has already been destroyed. It does not need to be destroyed twice. Anyone who still buys in to the Russian collusion hoax is either a corrupt liar just pretending, or a self-deluded imbecile. Either way no amount of facts, evidence, and reasoning to the contrary will make any difference.

    Likewise anyone that still believes - despite his perpetual record of failures, stocking the swamp, mistakes, lies, betrayal, Syria, Venezuela, sanctions, Iran, diplomatic failures, neo-conservatism, debt and more - that the walking ego known as Trump is some secret divine messiah working to save us through 4d chess (aka the Trump delusion syndrome) is a self-deluded imbecile for which it seems no amount of facts, evidence, reasoning to the contrary seems to make any difference.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 04-19-2019 at 09:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Those who think Trump’s sponsored kidnapping for rendition, persecution, and charging of someone over which the empire has no legal jurisdiction is really a brilliant benevolent 4d chess move by the grand messiah Trump to destroy a hoax that has already been destroyed, or to free a man he could free simply by dropping the extradition request, or issuing a pardon is completely deluded.
    If he pardoned him then he wouldn't get to testify against the deep state tho..

    Rand Paul Proposes Immunity for Assange in Exchange for Testimony

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-for-Testimony


    Right or wrong, is it really as delusional as you say to believe something that is actually being discussed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Right or wrong, is it really as delusional as you say to believe something that is actually being discussed?
    No, it's delusional to assume Assange wouldn't have accepted such a deal long, long ago, if it had ever been offered.

    Orange Man has had over two years to make such a deal. What happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If he pardoned him then he wouldn't get to testify against the deep state tho..
    Rand Paul Proposes Immunity for Assange in Exchange for Testimony
    Right or wrong, is it really as delusional as you say to believe something that is actually being discussed?
    It is delusional to think the kidnapping and rendition/extradition to bring Assange within the the territory and control of the deep state is a secret brilliant plan to take down the deep state. The level of Trump Delusion Syndrome blind faith idiocy has no end.

    Trump is a servant of the deep state. He filled his cabinet with deep state henchmen. He appointed Bolton and Pompeo who are running his presidency. He appointed felonious Deep state torture queen criminal Bloody Gina Haspel to run his CIA. He appointed mass murder architect criminal Elliott Abrams to oversee the next Libya – Venezuela regime change operation. And everything else - Debt, diplomat expulsions, sanctions, threats, JCPA, Iran, Syria bombing, false flag gas attack accusations, Afghanistan, perpetual failed diplomacy, INF treaty, Venezuela, threats, more sanctions, invoking trade wars, NATO, etc. …

    Trump has no right to have him kidnapped and rendition to the US. Its aggressive violence pure and simple for the purpose of shutting him and Wikileaks down.

    Imagine North Korea claiming an American journalist, without stepping foot in North Korea, broke North Korea law by cooperating with a North Korean whistleblower to publish evidence of embarrassing serious crimes and corruption committed by the NK regime. Then India or China or Russia or Turkey or Mexico arrests the American journalist for deportation to North Korea for a show trial and punishment because “he broke the law”. That is exactly what Trump is doing to Assange.

    And no, kidnapping someone to extort testimony in Congress is not valid either.

    And it won’t just be testimony in Congress. It will be deep state interrogators. And once renditioned, there is no limit to the scope of interrogation. They will want to know WikiLeaks encryption methods, and communications protocols, and who their programmers are, and who their fact-checkers are, and who their sources have been, and location of servers, and storage devices, and what equipment they use, and who any go betweens have been, etc. If Trump wanted more exposure of the deep state, he would pardon Assange right now before he ever gets in the hands of the deep state.

    Wikileaks has been the greatest single weapon of defense against the deep state there is. Kidnapping and interrogation of Assange is to destroy WikiLeaks. The rendition of Assange is not to take down the deep state. Rather it is to take down the opposition to the deep state.

    But alas, for members of the blind faith delusionist cult, no amount of actual events, Trump’s record, actions, evidence, reason, and reality to the contrary will shake the unbreakable faith in the delusion.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 04-19-2019 at 10:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If he pardoned him then he wouldn't get to testify against the deep state tho..

    Rand Paul Proposes Immunity for Assange in Exchange for Testimony

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-for-Testimony


    Right or wrong, is it really as delusional as you say to believe something that is actually being discussed?
    This is basically Chapter 7 of Art of the Deal, and Assange is the Trump Tower. DJT has a plan for Assange and most people just can't see it, but it will take time and effort to bring his plan to fruition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    This is basically Chapter 7 of Art of the Deal, and Assange is the Trump Tower. DJT has a plan for Assange and most people just can't see it, but it will take time and effort to bring his plan to fruition.
    So sit down, shut up, and have blind faith, and maybe you'll be rewarded with an invitation to Assange's funeral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    It is delusional to think the kidnapping and rendition/extradition to bring Assange within the the territory and control of the deep state is a secret brilliant plan to take down the deep state. The level of Trump Delusion Syndrome blind faith idiocy has no end.

    Trump is a servant of the deep state. He filled his cabinet with deep state henchmen. He appointed Bolton and Pompeo who are running his presidency. He appointed felonious Deep state torture queen criminal Bloody Gina Haspel to run his CIA. He appointed mass murder architect criminal Elliott Abrams to oversee the next Libya – Venezuela regime change operation. And everything else - Debt, diplomat expulsions, sanctions, threats, JCPA, Iran, Syria bombing, false flag gas attack accusations, Afghanistan, perpetual failed diplomacy, INF treaty, Venezuela, threats, more sanctions, invoking trade wars, NATO, etc. …

    Trump has no right to have him kidnapped and rendition to the US. Its aggressive violence pure and simple for the purpose of shutting him and Wikileaks down.

    Imagine North Korea claiming an American journalist, without stepping foot in North Korea, broke North Korea law by cooperating with a North Korean whistleblower to publish evidence of embarrassing serious crimes and corruption committed by the NK regime. Then India or China or Russia or Turkey or Mexico arrests the American journalist for deportation to North Korea for a show trial and punishment because “he broke the law”. That is exactly what Trump is doing to Assange.

    And no kidnapping someone to extort testimony in Congress is not valid either.

    And it won’t just be testimony in Congress. It will be deep state interrogators. And once renditioned, there is no limit to the scope of interrogation. They will want to know WikiLeaks encryption methods, and communications protocols, and who their programmers are, and who their fact-checkers are, and who their sources have been, and location of servers, and storage devices, and what equipment they use, and who any go betweens have been, etc. If Trump wanted more exposure of the deep state, he would pardon Assange right now before he ever gets in the hands of the deep state.

    Wikileaks has been the greatest single weapon of defense against the deep state there is. Kidnapping and interrogation of Assange is to destroy WikiLeaks. The rendition of Assange is not to take down the deep state. Rather it is to take down the opposition to the deep state.

    But alas, for members of the blind faith delusionist cult, no amount of actual events, Trump’s record, actions, evidence, reason, and reality to the contrary will shake the unbreakable faith in the delusion.
    I dunno if you went to the link, but Rand wants Assange to testify about who hacked or stole the DNC emails. So he wants Assange to out his old source Seth Rich, who is now dead. Assange would never say it directly because that would be outing one of his sources.. but he already inferred Rich was his source, and since he was murdered and there is a federal investigation and immunity for him if he does, he might decide to do it afterall.

    If he testifies that Seth Rich was the source, and it can be proven, then they can re-open the investigation into who murdered Seth Rich, which is going to tie back to the DNC and Hillary's crew.

    Like I said, whether that happens or not remains to be seen, but it's being discussed right now so to say it is as delusional as you claim doesn't seem right to me.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I dunno if you went to the link, but Rand wants Assange to testify about who hacked or stole the DNC emails. So he wants Assange to out his old source Seth Rich, who is now dead. Assange would never say it directly because that would be outing one of his sources.. but he already inferred Rich was his source, and since he was murdered and there is a federal investigation and immunity for him if he does, he might decide to do it afterall.

    If he testifies that Seth Rich was the source, and it can be proven, then they can re-open the investigation into who murdered Seth Rich, which is going to tie back to the DNC and Hillary's crew.

    Like I said, whether that happens or not remains to be seen, but it's being discussed right now so to say it is as delusional as you claim doesn't seem right to me.
    The Seth Rich link was debunked long ago. The paper which made the claim issued an apology and retraction. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...der-seth-rich/

    Mueller said Russia went after the emails just hours after Trump called for them to do so in a campaign speech.

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/18/mu...-arizona-hack/

    Mueller report sheds new light on how the Russians hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign

    The Mueller report contains new information about how the Russian government hacked documents and emails from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee .

    At one point, the Russians used servers located in the U.S. to carry out the massive data exfiltration effort, the report confirms.

    Much of the information was previously learned from the indictment of Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, the Russian officer in charge of Unit 26165. Netyksho is believed to be still at large in Russia.

    But new details in the 488-page redacted report released by the Justice Department on Thursday offered new insight into how the GRU operatives hacked.

    The operatives working for the Russian intelligence directorate, the GRU, sent dozens of targeted spearphishing emails in just five days to the work and personal accounts of Clinton Campaign employees and volunteers, as a way to break into the campaign’s computer systems.

    The GRU hackers also gained access to the email account of John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, of which its contents were later published.

    Using credentials they stole along the way, the hackers broke into the networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee days later. By stealing the login details of a system administrator who had “unrestricted access” to the network, the hackers broke into 29 computers in the ensuing weeks, and more than 30 computers on the DNC.

    The operatives, known collectively as “Fancy Bear,” comprised several units tasked with specific operations. Mueller formally blamed Unit 26165, a division of the GRU specializing in targeting government and political organizations, for taking on the “primary responsibility for hacking the DCCC and DNC, as well as email accounts of individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign,” said the Mueller report.

    The hackers used Mimikatz, a hacking tool used once an intruder is already in a target network, to collect credentials, and two other kinds of malware: X-Agent for taking screenshots and logging keystrokes, and X-Tunnel used to exfiltrate massive amounts of data from the network to servers controlled by the GRU. Mueller’s report found that Unit 26165 used several “middle servers” to act as a buffer between the hacked networks and the GRU’s main operations. Those servers, Mueller said, were hosted in Arizona — likely as a way to obfuscate where the attackers were located but also to avoid suspicion or detection.

    In all, some 70 gigabytes of data were exfiltrated from Clinton’s campaign servers and some 300 gigabytes of data were obtained from the DNC’s network.

    Meanwhile, another GRU hacking unit, Unit 74455, which helped disseminate and publish hacked and stolen documents, pushed the stolen data out through two fictitious personas. DCLeaks was a website that hosted the hacked material, while Guccifer 2.0 was a hacker-like figure who had a social presence and would engage with reporters.

    Under pressure from the U.S. government, the two GRU-backed personas were shut down by the social media companies. Later, tens of thousands of hacked files were funneled to and distributed by WikiLeaks .

    Mueller’s report also found a cause-and-effect between Trump’s remarks in July 2016 and subsequent cyberattacks.

    I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” said then-candidate Trump at a press conference, referring to emails Clinton stored on a personal email server while she headed the State Department. Mueller’s report said within approximately five hours” of those remarks, GRU officers began targeting for the first time Clinton’s personal office.

    More than a dozen staffers were targeted by Unit 26165, including a senior aide. “It is unclear how the GRU was able to identify these email accounts, which were not public,” said Mueller.

    Mueller said the Trump campaign made efforts to “find the deleted Clinton emails.” Trump is said to have privately asked would-be national security advisor Michael Flynn, since convicted following inquiries by the Special Counsel’s office, to reach out to associates to obtain the emails. One of those associates was Peter Smith, who died by suicide in May 2017, who claimed to be in contact with Russian hackers — claims which Mueller said were not true.

    Does that implicate the Trump campaign in an illegal act? Likely not.

    “Under applicable law, publication of these types of materials would not be criminal unless the publisher also participated in the underlying hacking conspiracy,” according to Elie Honig, a CNN legal analyst. “The special counsel’s report did not find that any person associated with the Trump campaign illegally participated in the dissemination of the materials.”
    Assange said that "our source" was not Russia but that does not rule out Russia getting them and using an intermediary to pass them along to WikiLeaks.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-19-2019 at 11:53 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The Seth Rich link was debunked long ago. Mueller said Russia went after the emails just hours after Trump called for them to do so in a campaign speech.

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/18/mu...-arizona-hack/



    Assange said that "our source" was not Russia but that does not rule out Russia getting them and using an intermediary to pass them along to WikiLeaks.
    Mueller didn't receive the emails, Assange did. Assange alluded to Seth Rich being the one who gave them to him.

    Also, the DNC emails were not hacked from an outside source. The download speed was too fast off the server, it would have had to be someone with a USB stick.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Mueller didn't receive the emails, Assange did. Assange alluded to Seth Rich being the one who gave them to him.

    Also, the DNC emails were not hacked from an outside source. The download speed was too fast off the server, it would have had to be someone with a USB stick.
    I updated my post to include a link where the paper which made the Seth Rich claim issued a retraction and apology. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...der-seth-rich/

    The Washington Times published an op-ed column titled, “More cover-up questions: The curious murder of Seth Rich poses questions that just won’t stay under the official rug,” by Adm. James Lyons (Ret.) (the “Column”), on March 1 online and on March 2 in its paper editions. The Column included statements about Aaron Rich, the brother of former Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich, that we now believe to be false.

    One such statement was that: “Interestingly, it is well known in the intelligence circles that Seth Rich and his brother, Aaron Rich, downloaded the DNC emails and was paid by Wikileaks for that information.” The Washington Times now does not have any basis to believe any part of that statement to be true, and The Washington Times retracts it in its entirety.

    The Column also stated: “Also, why hasn’t Aaron Rich been interviewed [by law enforcement], and where is he?” The Washington Times understands that law enforcement officials have interviewed Mr. Rich and that he has cooperated with their investigation. The Washington Times did not intend to imply that Mr. Rich has obstructed justice in any way, and The Washington Times retracts and disavows any such implication.

    The Washington Times apologizes to Mr. Rich and his family. All online copies of the Column have been deleted and all online content referencing the Column has been deleted to the extent within The Washington Times’ control.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I updated my post to include a link where the paper which made the Seth Rich claim issued a retraction and apology. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...der-seth-rich/
    Great, you can point to Mueller and mainstream media all you want for your sources.

    I'm pointing to the actual motherfucker who received the emails, who alluded to Seth Rich being the one who got them.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Great, you can point to Mueller and mainstream media all you want for your sources.

    I'm pointing to the actual motherfucker who received the emails, who alluded to Seth Rich being the one who got them.
    InforWars/ Jerome Corsi retraction:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/media...ich/index.html

    Jerome Corsi retracts InfoWars story that spread Seth Rich conspiracy theory

    Right-wing author Jerome Corsi issued an apology on Monday and retracted an InfoWars story he wrote spreading a conspiracy theory about murdered Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich.

    In the retraction, which was featured on the front page of InfoWars, a fringe website with a long history of spreading conspiracy theories, Corsi conceded that "his allegations were not based upon any independent factual knowledge."

    "It was not Dr. Corsi's intent to rely upon inaccurate information, or to cause any suffering to Mr. Rich's family," reads the retraction. "To that end, Dr. Corsi retracts the article and apologizes to the Rich family."

    The retraction was requested by the legal team for Aaron Rich, the brother of Seth Rich, a spokesperson for Aaron Rich's legal team told CNN.

    Corsi's retracted story cited a Washington Times column that said, without evidence, that Seth Rich leaked a trove of DNC emails to WikiLeaks.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-19-2019 at 12:14 PM.


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  21. #18
    Fox also retracted their story: https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/...piracy-theory/

    On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich. The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.

    We will continue to investigate this story and will provide updates as warranted.


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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

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  22. #19
    Assange's carefully worded comment does not rule out Russia hacking the emails and using an intermediary to get them to Wikileaks:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...715-story.html

    "Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta's emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?"

    "Yes," Assange said. "We can say — we have said repeatedly — over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party."
    His source could have gotten them from another source (Russia). Mueller confirms that it was Russia.
    The Justice Department's indictment Friday of 12 Russian military intelligence officers undermines those denials. And if the criminal charges are proved, it would show that WikiLeaks (referred to as "Organization 1" in the indictment) received the material from Guccifer 2.0, a persona directly controlled by Russia's Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff, also known as GRU, and even gave the Russian hackers advice on how to disseminate it.

    Whether Assange knew that those behind Guccifer 2.0 were Russian agents is not addressed in the indictment. But it seems unlikely that Assange, a former hacker who once boasted of having compromised U.S. military networks himself, could have missed the extensive coverage blaming the Kremlin for the DNC hack.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-19-2019 at 12:12 PM.


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  23. #20
    Hey Zip? One guy is jumping off the Trump train. Are you jumping on the Trump train if he doesn't pardon Assange?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The Seth Rich link was debunked long ago. The paper which made the claim issued an apology and retraction. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...der-seth-rich/

    Mueller said Russia went after the emails just hours after Trump called for them to do so in a campaign speech.

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/18/mu...-arizona-hack/



    Assange said that "our source" was not Russia but that does not rule out Russia getting them and using an intermediary to pass them along to WikiLeaks.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Hey Zip? One guy is jumping off the Trump train. Are you jumping on the Trump train if he doesn't pardon Assange?
    Not on the "Trump Train". Won't be getting "on board". Trump is distancing himself from Assange- no way will he issue a pardon. "Wikileaks? I know nothing about them!"


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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not on the "Trump Train". Won't be getting "on board". Trump is distancing himself from Assange- no way will he issue a pardon. "Wikileaks? I know nothing about them!"
    Isn't that a good thing from your point of view? I thought you didn't like Assange.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Assange's carefully worded comment does not rule out Russia hacking the emails and using an intermediary to get them to Wikileaks:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...715-story.html



    His source could have gotten them from another source (Russia). Mueller confirms that it was Russia.



    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post

    So if I offer a reward on Assange, does that mean Assange hacked the Democrats? Even Assange said they weren't necessarily related.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...spiracy-theory

    Mueller assessed WikiLeaks role in fueling Seth Rich conspiracy theory


    Special counsel Robert Mueller focused a portion of his final report on WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange making false statements about slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich and the theft of emails from Democratic officials.

    Rich was killed in Washington, D.C., on July 10, 2016, in what police have described as a botched robbery. But Rich's death quickly became the subject of conspiracy theories claiming he was killed in a politically motivated hit job for leaking stolen emails to WikiLeaks.

    The redacted Mueller report, released Thursday, said WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, "made several public statements apparently designed to obscure the source of the materials that WikiLeaks was releasing."

    Starting in the summer of 2016, "Assange and WikiLeaks made a number of statements about Seth Rich, a former DNC staff member who was killed in July 2016," Mueller's report said. "The statements about Rich implied falsely that he had been the source of the stolen DNC emails."

    Mueller described specific instances, including an Aug. 25 tweet from WikiLeaks that said, "ANNOUNCE: WikiLeaks has decided to issue a US$20k reward for information leading to conviction for the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich."

    An Aug. 25, 2016, interview with Assange was also cited.

    "Assange was asked in an interview, 'Why are you so interested in Seth Rich's killer?' and responded, 'We're very interested in anything that might be a threat to alleged Wikileaks sources,'" the Mueller report said.

    "The interviewer responded to Assange's statement by commenting, 'I know you don't want to reveal your source, but it certainly sounds like you're suggesting a man who leaked information to WikiLeaks was then murdered,'" the Mueller report continued. "Assange replied, 'If there's someone who's potentially connected to our publication, and that person has been murdered in suspicious circumstances, it doesn't necessarily mean that the two are connected. But it is a very serious matter ... that type of allegation is very serious, as it's taken very seriously by us.'"

    Mueller's report claimed the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff, the GRU, stole Democratic emails and distributed them through two GRU-operated fronts — the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 websites. Mueller further claimed “the GRU units transferred many of the documents they stole from the DNC and the chairman of the [Hillary] Clinton Campaign to WikiLeaks.”

    DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 were the Russian conduits for communication with WikiLeaks, according to Mueller.

    Mueller also alleged that “GRU officers used both the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 personas to communicate with WikiLeaks through Twitter private messaging and through encrypted channels, including possibly through WikiLeaks's private communication system.”

    Despite efforts by the GRU and WikiLeaks to conceal their communications, Mueller said "it is clear that the stolen DNC and [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta documents were transferred from the GRU to WikiLeaks."

    The broader U.S. intelligence community also concluded in a report in January 2017 that Russian operatives were behind the hacking of emails from Democratic officials before passing them along to WikiLeaks to publish.
    More at link.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-19-2019 at 12:48 PM.


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  29. #25
    Do you think Clinton would have taken out Julian by now?

    I hope to God that Trump does not allow Julian to be put in prison if he does that is when I will jump off the train.
    Last edited by Working Poor; 04-19-2019 at 01:34 PM.



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