Immigration

[Pauls' Revere]

Or we could go with the old Swiss model of immigration where the people in a particular town review a person's request to immigrate and decide whether or not they get to come and stay.

Could you imagine? Local control over immigration? Like sanctuary cities?

[Superfluous Man]

Or we could go with the old Swiss model of immigration where the people in a particular town review a person's request to immigrate and decide whether or not they get to come and stay.

I like this idea.

Or even take it further than that, down to the level of each individual sovereign property owner.

[Pauls' Revere]

Or we could go with the old Swiss model of immigration where the people in a particular town review a person's request to immigrate and decide whether or not they get to come and stay.

Like cities deciding if they want to be sanctuary cities or not.

[Zippyjuan]

Or you could let big government protect you and make all of your decisions for you. Now that would be Liberty!

[Swordsmyth]

I like this idea.

Or even take it further than that, down to the level of each individual sovereign property owner.

Like cities deciding if they want to be sanctuary cities or not.

The Swiss do not allow people or towns to allow in people who the country at large do not want, they are not stupid, they allow them to veto people who otherwise would have been allowed in.

Cities or individuals can set their own immigration policy when they secede so that their policy doesn't destroy my liberty and not before, they will however become foreigners and require permission to enter my country themselves.

[Swordsmyth]

Or you could let big government protect you and make all of your decisions for you. Now that would be Liberty!

That is exactly what the invaders will impose on us:

Illegal Migrants Come Here as Ready-made Democrats — Here’s Why

[Swordsmyth]

Socialism is actually very Christian.

As I said in my posts, socialists will twist liberty principles against us. And even the devil will quote scripture to subjugate us.

BTW, I don't think Zippy is the devil

'Jesus Was A Socialist,' Says Man Who's Obviously Never Been Within 10 Feet Of A Bible

[TheTexan]

I'll just assume the 4 people who voted for "No limits at all 24/7 open borders" are just trolling/joking.

They probably really would have voted for something more reasonable, like the currently winning option "Closed border, think Berlin Wall or DMZ, guns and mines unlimited deterrents"

[PAF]

This makes me think of Chad Elwartowski and Seasteading.

Until the tone changes among the American people, certainly starting with this so-called "liberty" forum turned completely STATIST, the government will continue to impose more and more anti-liberty regulations and restrictions.

It is nobody's business whether one is employed or not, or where to travel.

If a person chooses to travel freely, there should be NO "documentation" papers please, or permission from you, others or government goons.

If you "see something say something" is what many here are promoting, at force by gun, prison, turn around and get out against ones will.

The tone needs to change to eliminate free handouts/welfare, and ONLY convict when an actual crime against others or private property has occurred. This does NOT include manufactured ordinances and regulations to feed the state and line the extortionists pockets.

The FED/Gov has NO right to own public or private land, or even control it; unused land should be homesteaded, the same way Chad attempted to do out in the open seas.

You don't want to shell out free handouts/incentives/welfare? Then start working locally toward that goal. Excuses will NEVER solve the problem or lead to more freedom.

[Anti Federalist]

The tone needs to change to eliminate free handouts/welfare.

I'm all for it.

But why I am being told that cannot be done either?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ing-assistance

You open borders guys need to all get on the same page.

The FED/Gov has NO right to own public or private land, or even control it; unused land should be homesteaded, the same way Chad attempted to do out in the open seas.

This wasn't the US, it was Thailand. Now if they enact anti seasteading policies, what should be done? Bomb them?

To tell you the honest truth, I can think of a number places on the US coast where he probably would have been successful.

At the very least, the US Coast Guard would not have been threatening him with the death penalty.

That's how upside down this whole idiotic open borders movement has become, where you've got me defending US cops as being relatively level headed.

[nikcers]

Obviously people will need to pay an arm and a leg to come here illegally otherwise they will just keep coming here. Therefore if you take the arm and leg from them and send them back they won't have any way to walk here again.

[Zippyjuan]

Obviously people will need to pay an arm and a leg to come here illegally otherwise they will just keep coming here. Therefore if you take the arm and leg from them and send them back they won't have any way to walk here again.

[ATruepatriot]

I'm all for it.

But why I am being told that cannot be done either?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ing-assistance

You open borders guys need to all get on the same page.

Disingenuous Purism. While touting open borders in the spirit of Ron Paul... "What would Ron Paul do?" Exactly... What would he do? They want their cake and eat it too and it is completely economically unsustainable. First and foremost Ron Paul is an economist who's ideology is based on REALITY.

[nikcers]

Everyone grab your MAGA hat's and swords and meet me at the roller skating rink.