Immigration

[Zippyjuan]

Good try, don't play ignorant and twist it.

"USMS" U.S. Marshal's Service, they only deal with serious offenders like cartel human traffickers not the lightweight victims they smuggled here. That is the job of ice and the border patrol. If the Marshal's service has them they are serious criminals, they don't have time to deal with the small stuff. And once again I think you knew that but trying to blow smoke again.

You provided the data. Is your data wrong?

https://americanmediainstitute.com/i...ody-resources/

But Marshals Service statistics, obtained after a Freedom of Information Act request, show that crimes stemming from illegal immigration are a vast majority of charged offenses in the border regions.

In those border districts, four crimes – illegal entry, false citizenship, smuggling aliens and general immigration violations – amounted to 69 percent of all violations over the past five years, an AMI analysis of the data shows. In West Texas, for example, immigration-related charges made up more than 75 percent of the total in each year between 2012 and 2015, while in Southern California those offenses averaged 41 percent of all the charges since 2011.

70% of the charges filed by US Marshals were immigration related.

[RJB]

His dishonest "honesty"?
I suppose it is honest of him to admit that he supports socialism but it is quite dishonest to claim that it is Christian.

I will rephrase it. Yes what he said was dishonest, but I think it was his honest point of view. He practically never speaks his mind. I doubt that he will let it slip again unless his job description has changed.

[Anti Federalist]

might as well kiss the feet of an invading army.

That is precisely what the Suicide Christians want you to do.

[ATruepatriot]

You provided the data. Is your data wrong?

https://americanmediainstitute.com/i...ody-resources/



70% of the charges filed by US Marshals were immigration related.

Not "immigration", "Illegal" Immigration, a crime.

[Brian4Liberty]

This sounds very sensible and logical. It is almost like having standards set to get a job or to enter a particular college or field. I became a nurse at almost 50. Went to a tech school and got an LPN. I was going to go for RN but decided against it. When I went to LPN school I never opened a book and received high 90's in all classes. Some people in the group struggled/failed on every test. They curve the grades so those people can pass. RN college has limited space. The nearest community college only has like 118 students accepted. The sad thing is only 20% are accepted based on their grades. They let 80% into the program that are stupid on a lottery system, to make things fair. The argument with your idea will be that immigration should not only be for the rich.

Pathetic, but predictable. And (fully) government run healthcare will be worse by far.

[RJB]

That is precisely what the Suicide Christians want you to do.

As I said in my posts, socialists will twist liberty principles against us. And even the devil will quote scripture to subjugate us.

BTW, I don't think Zippy is the devil

[Brian4Liberty]

The poll has too many issues being forced into a single answer.

The following areas are separate issues that must be addressed. There could be a poll on each.

- Border security. Should it be secure or just a line on the map?
- Tourists, travelers, business trips, etc. If entry is controlled, how many should be allowed, and what types of restrictions?
- Temporary work visas. How many, what types, terms and conditions?
- Refugees. How many, based on what criteria, are they temporary or permanent?
- Immigration. Green cards, permanent residence, chain immigration, etc. How many, what terms and conditions?

[Swordsmyth]

The poll has too many issues being forced into a single answer.

The following areas are separate issues that must be addressed. There could be a poll on each.

- Border security. Should it be secure or just a line on the map?
- Tourists, travelers, business trips, etc. If entry is controlled, how many should be allowed, and what types of restrictions?
- Temporary work visas. How many, what types, terms and conditions?
- Refugees. How many, based on what criteria, are they temporary or permanent?
- Immigration. Green cards, permanent residence, chain immigration, etc. How many, what terms and conditions?

I made a multiple choice version:

Another immigration poll

[nobody's_hero]

Where is that in the Bible?



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...-7&version=ESV

(the Bible has mixed messages on taxes and tax collectors)

Yeah, "to who it is owed."

If you aren't owed anything, and it is given to you, that's called charity. If you aren't owed anything, and it is taken from others, that is socialism.

[RJB]

The poll has too many issues being forced into a single answer.

The following areas are separate issues that must be addressed. There could be a poll on each.

- Border security. Should it be secure or just a line on the map?
- Tourists, travelers, business trips, etc. If entry is controlled, how many should be allowed, and what types of restrictions?
- Temporary work visas. How many, what types, terms and conditions?
- Refugees. How many, based on what criteria, are they temporary or permanent?
- Immigration. Green cards, permanent residence, chain immigration, etc. How many, what terms and conditions?

I agree. I didn't vote in this poll. PAF actually changed my mind about a border wall. I canoed the Rio Grande. I camped, ate, and made friends on either side of the border. A wall there is ridiculous imo. Between San Diego and Tijuana, it definitely serves a purpose. I don't mind migration too much.

However bringing in millions of voters to change the foundations of who we are (socialism, free speech, gun rights, etc.) is my big issue. Many in the DNC open say this.

[RJB]

I answered this much earlier. Then you edited and added much more.

Then you should likewise leave others alone the same way you want to be left alone.

I do leave others alone. If they want Sharia Law or socialism in Venezuela or Afganistan, I am all for it their endeavor to their Utopia. I am against bombing and sanctioning those countries.

Notice how you say "threaten." Immigration and non-assimilation in themselves don't violate anyone's rights. And not all who immigrate without assimilating to whatever it is you want the government to require them to assimilate to (somehow all without ruling over them?) do the things you mean by excess crime. But you want to preempt future violations of rights by stopping people from doing acts that in themselves aren't violations of rights as some kind of pre-crime enforcement.

Come on man. Precrime? There is no crime if someone wants a socialist Venezuela. They just shouldn't expect to move here and mess up my country. Should we not have kicked out the British? Should we not have driven out the Tories? Polls show immigrants want the US to be more socislist, gun free, "hate speech" free etc. They are free to do that somewhere else.

You never answered my question that I asked you at least three times:. What is the difference between an invading army that wants to violently disarm me from immigrants who want to vote to have an army violently disarm me. I used to be more aligned to your thinking until I saw the polls as to how people vote on issues. Tell me the difference.

This is to do what Jesus told his followers not to do in Matthew 20:25-26.

ok? You quoted a Bible verse that has nothing to do with the discussion?

[Anti Federalist]

Socialism is actually very Christian.

Pete Buttplug agrees.

Pete Buttigieg: Christianity Does Not Belong to the Right — Scripture Is Progressive

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...s-progressive/

PAM KEY 17 Apr 2019

In an interview with “Now This News” South Bend, IN Mayor Pete Buttigieg, a likely 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said Christianity does not belong to the “right wing.”

Buttigieg said, “I don’t think religion belongs to one political party. When I go to church, the scripture I hear has to do with protecting the poor, and spending time with the prisoner, and healing the sick, and caring for the stranger which to me is another word for immigrant. It has a very clear set of moral and policy implications none of which are things I would associate with the right wing.”

He continued, “Christianity to me is about humility, it’s about love. If we want to put those values into political practice at least by my lights, they lead us in a very progressive direction.”

[nobody's_hero]

Ultimately I voted for a quota system but it would have to be extremely limited at this point because there's not much left of original American ideals for people to assimilate into slowly. By the standards I would recommend, most Americans wouldn't be allowed in if they weren't already here.

[Swordsmyth]

Enterovirus D68, which has previously been identified as highly active in Central America, is found to be the cause of Acute Flaccid Myelitis. Which shows up and peaks every two years, just as our elections are happening.

[Zippyjuan]

Enterovirus D68, which has previously been identified as highly active in Central America, is found to be the cause of Acute Flaccid Myelitis. Which shows up and peaks every two years, just as our elections are happening.

Link says nothing about immigrants or Central Americans. Fear mongering. It is extremely rare.

[Swordsmyth]

Link says nothing about immigrants or Central Americans. Fear mongering. It is extremely rare.

The Enterovirus D68 that is spreading among children across the U.S. particularly in the Midwest. The mysterious disease has been known to afflict Central America in the past.
Until recently the occurrence of EV-D68 was rare in the United States. Between 1970 and 2005 only 26 clinical isolates of EV-D68 were reported in the USA. Over the years, clusters have been reported in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona and various countries.

More at: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ntral-america/



There is also a new virus known as Enterovirus D68 that is spreading among children across the U.S. It, too, has been known to afflict Central America in the past.
All of this raises the possibility that in throwing open our border for political purposes, the U.S. is exposing itself to a host of nasty diseases and epidemics.
Dr. Jane Orient, Executive Director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, told radio host Laura Ingraham last week the Obama administration has been "real tight-lipped" about EV-D68's origins.
"We don't know where it's coming from ... are there immigrants from Central America, where this disease has allegedly been prevalent before? Should we be (studying) the virus to see whether it's like what's been found in some of these countries that are just sending waves of children across our border and they haven't been quarantined long enough to make sure they're not sick?" she asked.


More at: https://www.investors.com/politics/e...e-of-diseases/



The deadly enterovirus D68 that is srapidly spreading across the county was first identified in cities with large numbers of relocated illegal immigrant children.

via Sharyl Attkisson:

Enteroviruses commonly circulate in the U.S. during summer and fall. EV-D68 was first identified in California in 1962. Over the past thirty years, only small numbers were reported in the U.S.
The CDC hasn’t suggested reasons for the current uptick or its origin. Without that answer, some question whether the disease is being spread by the presence of tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children from Central America admitted to the U.S. in the past year.
The origin could be entirely unrelated.
However, a study published in Virology Journal, found EV-D68 among some of the 3,375 young, ill people tested in eight Latin American countries, including the Central American nations of El Salvador and Nicaragua, in 2013. (See Fig. 3) Though the U.S. government is keeping secret the locations of the illegal immigrant children, there are significant numbers of them in both cities in which the current outbreak was first identified, Kansas City, Missouri and Chicago, Illinois, according to local advocates and press reports.


More at: https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/b...hing-in-common

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There should be a moratorium on net immigration for at least ten years, and around twenty-five would be a better idea. Immigration from third world countries should be heavily limited, with migrants from Western countries given preference over non-Western peoples. In addition to vetting for criminals, there should be some sort of ideological screening to try and make sure the people coming in are compatible with Anglo-American law and culture. English speakers only. Open radicals like communists, fascists or Islamists should not be allowed to immigrate to the US. Chain migration must also end immediately.

Any illegal immigrant with either a criminal record or association with leftist politics must be deported immediately. Illegals who have been consistently employed and have taken no form of welfare are allowed to take a test to put themselves on a pathway to citizenship, but failure of said test results in deportation, with possible preferential treatment for future work visas if they want to apply.

[Zippyjuan]

The CDC hasn’t suggested reasons for the current uptick or its origin. Without that answer, some question whether the disease is being spread by the presence of tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children from Central America admitted to the U.S. in the past year.
The origin could be entirely unrelated.

There were also rises in cases in 2012 and 2014 when there was no wave of immigration. It is extremely rare.

told radio host Laura Ingraham last week the Obama administration has been "real tight-lipped" about EV-D68's origins.

Well, if expert epidemiologist Laura Ingraham says it is true.....

The study in the link https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...43-422X-10-305

does not look at cases of acute flaccid myelitis. They did find two kids with EV-D68 out of nearly 4,000 sampled.

[Swordsmyth]

There were also rises in cases in 2012 and 2014 when there was no wave of immigration. It is extremely rare.



Well, if expert epidemiologist Laura Ingraham says it is true.....

You missed this part:

However, a study published in Virology Journal, found EV-D68 among some of the 3,375 young, ill people tested in eight Latin American countries, including the Central American nations of El Salvador and Nicaragua, in 2013.

[Swordsmyth]

There were also rises in cases in 2012 and 2014 when there was no wave of immigration. It is extremely rare.

More election years, and there are always illegals coming here because border security is so poor.

[Zippyjuan]

You missed this part:

However, a study published in Virology Journal, found EV-D68 among some of the 3,375 young, ill people tested in eight Latin American countries, including the Central American nations of El Salvador and Nicaragua, in 2013.

Post updated. They found EV-D68 in two kids out of nearly 4,000 sampled. In Peru- not a major US immigration source.

both from the department of Tumbes, Peru, although from different cities.

Fear mongering.

[Swordsmyth]

Post updated. They found EV-D68 in two kids out of nearly 4,000 sampled. In Peru- not a major US immigration source.



Fear mongering.

10




It's not fearmongering to point out that a rare disease from central America just happens to show up in America every election year.

[Swordsmyth]

Post updated. They found EV-D68 in two kids out of nearly 4,000 sampled. In Peru- not a major US immigration source.



Fear mongering.

Not just Peru:

From September 2010 to September 2011, in collaboration with eight Central and South American countries’ ILI passive surveillance networks (Nicaragua, El Salvador, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay and Argentina; Figure 1), nasopharyngeal swabs were collected from 3,375 subjects with ILI presenting to outpatient medical clinics in 21 cities

[Zippyjuan]

10


It's not fearmongering to point out that a rare disease from central America just happens to show up in America every election year.

Must be the politicians. They come around every election year. (and ten is still extremely rare).

[Zippyjuan]

Not just Peru:

From September 2010 to September 2011, in collaboration with eight Central and South American countries’ ILI passive surveillance networks (Nicaragua, El Salvador, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay and Argentina; Figure 1), nasopharyngeal swabs were collected from 3,375 subjects with ILI presenting to outpatient medical clinics in 21 cities

Those are the countries they tested people- not where they found the EV-D68. (I note you un-highlighted Peru in your list)

[Swordsmyth]

Must be the politicians. They come around every election year. (and ten is still extremely rare).

It must be the illegal voters and since it is so rare the fact that it shows up in the US at all indicates that there must be an awful lot of them.

[Swordsmyth]

Those are the countries they tested people- not where they found the EV-D68.

It didn't specify that the 10 were found in Peru.

[Zippyjuan]

It didn't specify that the 10 were found in Peru.

Where were they found?

[Swordsmyth]

Where were they found?

You tell me, all we know is the countries the testing took place in.

[Swordsmyth]

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