Trump considers sending illegals to sanctuary cities

[Superfluous Man]

Not if you are the worker.

I was speaking objectively for the economy as a whole, not subjectively for any single winner or loser.

[timosman]

I was speaking objectively for the economy as a whole, not subjectively for any single winner or loser.

You are a stinking commie and your claims about being objective about anything are laughable.

[Zippyjuan]

The problem can be solved by free markets. Start offering wages at the level workers who are already here are willing to accept.

Of course we will have to raise prices to pay for those higher wages. How much are you willing to pick vegetables for?

[Swordsmyth]

I was speaking objectively for the economy as a whole, not subjectively for any single winner or loser.

You were speaking for yourself and ignoring the indirect costs to the economy as a whole.

[timosman]

Of course we will have to raise prices to pay for those higher wages. How much are you willing to pick vegetables for?

How much are you willing to inseminate cattle for?

[Dr.3D]

Of course we will have to raise prices to pay for those higher wages. How much are you willing to pick vegetables for?

No, just cut back on the salary of management to compensate.

[DamianTV]

Not if you are the worker.

Agreed. What a worker is compensated can go so low that they can not compete and maintain a livable wage. Then they turn around and blame the displaced worker for "living beyond his means". Rich get richer at the expense of exploiting the poor.

Much like trying to compete with the Govt when it provides a "free" service. That is a big part of what destroys the Free Market is the inability to compete. No one can compete with Free, and the wet dream of so many employers is "free" labor, IE Immigrants, then Robots then AI.

[Swordsmyth]

Agreed. What a worker is compensated can go so low that they can not compete and maintain a livable wage. Then they turn around and blame the displaced worker for "living beyond his means". Rich get richer at the expense of exploiting the poor.

While the welfare ticks of all kinds are subsidized so that they are willing to work for less than they can live on, out of taxes taken from the workers who still just barely support themselves no less.

[Zippyjuan]

No, just cut back on the salary of management to compensate.

They would rather cut your wages or raise prices.

[Zippyjuan]

Agreed. What a worker is compensated can go so low that they can not compete and maintain a livable wage. Then they turn around and blame the displaced worker for "living beyond his means". Rich get richer at the expense of exploiting the poor.

Much like trying to compete with the Govt when it provides a "free" service. That is a big part of what destroys the Free Market is the inability to compete. No one can compete with Free, and the wet dream of so many employers is "free" labor, IE Immigrants, then Robots then AI.

Maybe the government can pay them enough to have a "livable wage"? Or should they get paid as little as the employer can get away with and still hire enough workers?

[Swordsmyth]

They would rather cut your wages or raise prices.

They can only do that if the labor market is manipulated.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe the government can pay them enough to have a "livable wage"? Or should they get paid as little as the employer can get away with and still hire enough workers?

That's the wrong question.

The question is whether the rich should be able to distort the labor market and shift the costs of that onto everyone else.

[Zippyjuan]

They can only do that if the labor market is manipulated.

If people are willing to work for that wage, how is the labor market manipulated?

[Swordsmyth]

If people are willing to work for that wage, how is the labor market manipulated?

Because excessive low skilled immigrants are allowed to come here in spite of the costs to the community at large.

[Zippyjuan]

Because excessive low skilled immigrants are allowed to come here in spite of the costs to the community at large.

Shouldn't an employer be allowed to hire whomever he wants to? Even if they come from another country?

[Swordsmyth]

Shouldn't an employer be allowed to hire whomever he wants to? Even if they come from another country?

No.

The number of immigrants allowed should be controlled to preserve the liberty of the citizens.


There is more to it all as well, we have had an excessive low skill labor pool subsidized domestically for multiple generations.
And the rest of the world is not the same as the US, even if we were to merge into a global economy it would have to take place slowly and in a controlled fashion, you can't just add an unlimited number of low skilled workers all at once without breaking the system, you would need to do it slowly over generations so that the economy could adapt and create more jobs for them all.

[Zippyjuan]

No.

The number of immigrants allowed should be controlled to preserve the liberty of the citizens.


There is more to it all as well, we have had an excessive low skill labor pool subsidized domestically for multiple generations.
And the rest of the world is not the same as the US, even if we were to merge into a global economy it would have to take place slowly and in a controlled fashion, you can't just add an unlimited number of low skilled workers all at once without breaking the system, you would need to do it slowly over generations so that the economy could adapt and create more jobs for them all.

So you don't like free markets but favor government interference.

[Swordsmyth]

So you don't like free markets but favor government interference.

Internally we should have free markets, externally we must protect our citizens from foreign threats.

Free markets only work if all participants not only play by the same rules but have done so for long enough that there are no destructive differences between them.

[Pauls' Revere]

Of course we will have to raise prices to pay for those higher wages. How much are you willing to pick vegetables for?

Someone should invent a machine that can pick veggies of all kinds. That'll stop people from coming to pick our veggies.

[phill4paul]

The guy that raised $20 million for the wall should offer to pay bus tickets. He raised $20 million. Bus ticket from El Paso to San Fran, District 12, $150 bucks. That's $15 million to ship every released detainee to Pelosi's District. For THIS month. With $5 million left over to ship the next wave to New York District 12. I'll kick in $150 for that wave.

[Dr.3D]

The guy that raised $20 million for the wall should offer to pay bus tickets. He raised $20 million. Bus ticket from El Paso to San Fran, District 12, $150 bucks. That's $15 million to ship every released detainee to Pelosi's District. For THIS month. With $5 million left over to ship the next wave to New York District 12. I'll kick in $150 for that wave.

Might be cheaper to put them on a train.

[DamianTV]

Maybe the government can pay them enough to have a "livable wage"? Or should they get paid as little as the employer can get away with and still hire enough workers?

How about Govt does its $#@!ing job and not let every illegal into the country to compete for the bottom of the barrel $#@! jobs? Maybe that gives the workers some leverage when negotiating wages with employers, thus allowing them to both agree on what the employee gets paid instead of Slavery? Its called Free Market, which does NOT have Slavery.

The Govt solution to any problem is far too often worse than the original problem itself.

[phill4paul]

Might be cheaper to put them on a train.

I'm sure a bulk discount could be made.

[timosman]

So you don't like free markets but favor government interference.

RPF presents: Zippy and his dumb questions. So you like dildos, but not really the big ones!

[timosman]

I'm sure a bulk discount could be made.

And an infrastructure investment + tax credits to address the growing need.

[phill4paul]

Shouldn't an employer be allowed to hire whomever he wants to? Even if they come from another country?

No.

[phill4paul]

And an infrastructure investment + tax credits to address the growing need.

Was talking GoFundME. Not a government expenditure.

[phill4paul]

How about Govt does its $#@!ing job and not let every illegal into the country to compete for the bottom of the barrel $#@! jobs? Maybe that gives the workers some leverage when negotiating wages with employers, thus allowing them to both agree on what the employee gets paid instead of Slavery? Its called Free Market, which does NOT have Slavery.

The Govt solution to any problem is far too often worse than the original problem itself.

Well, see. THAT is the solution. How do you destroy a middle class that is conservative in nature? You undercut it.

[timosman]

Was talking GoFundME. Not a government expenditure.

It would be a mistake. Why wouldn't you want to milk this cow? Uncle Sam is always looking to increase the budget. As a good citizen you should always help the state to waste money. Look at the disparity of income between the blue and red states.

[phill4paul]

It would be a mistake. Why wouldn't you want to milk this cow? Uncle Sam is always looking to increase the budget. As a good citizen you should always help the state to waste money. Look at the disparity of income between the blue and red states.

Disagree. 100k indigents showing up on Pelosi's or Shumer's doorstep would be the best thing in the world. The more, the sooner, the better.