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Wow, finally something to break Trump's "losing" streak lately, I mean, that whole Russiagate exoneration was so rough.
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What is this so called Middle Class of which you speak?
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I am also kind of thinking of demanding that Pelosi tear down the walls around her own so called "Private Property" and take her $#@! and give it to the illegals! See how she likes it when it is her $#@! that gets taken away!
Last edited by DamianTV; 04-14-2019 at 02:44 AM.
1776 > 1984
The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.
The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide
Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled
Breaking on Drudge:
https://apnews.com/e991a0409f7c475ba48e827e232b6cfe
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Why would the rationale behind any policy ever need to exceed however many characters twitter currently allows..
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Why is MAGA cheering for this? Are there walls around these sanctuary cities that would keep these migrants from going anywhere else?
Sanctuary Cities and the Rule of Law
by Judge Andrew Napolitano
Earlier this week, the Trump Department of Justice told the mayor of Chicago that it would cease funding grants to the Chicago Police Department that had been approved in the Obama administration because Chicago city officials were not cooperating with federal immigration officials.
The DOJ contended that Chicago officials were contributing to lawlessness by refusing to inform the feds of the whereabouts of undocumented foreign-born people, thereby creating what the feds derisively call a "sanctuary city," and Chicago officials have argued that their police officers and clerical folks are not obligated to work for the feds.
Who is correct?
The concept of a sanctuary city does not mean it is a place where federal law is unenforced by the feds. Rather, it is a place where local authorities have elected not to spend their tax dollars helping the feds to enforce federal law. The term "sanctuary city" is not a legal term but a political one. The Trump administration has used the term to characterize the governments of towns and cities that have created safe havens for those who have overstayed their visas by refusing to tell the feds who these folks are and where they can be found.
Can local authorities refuse to help the feds enforce federal law? In a word, yes. There is no legal obligation on the part of local authorities to help the feds with manpower or resources or data to enforce federal law within the jurisdiction of those local authorities.
During the Clinton administration, when Congress passed legislation that directed local law enforcement to enforce a federal gun registration scheme, the Supreme Court invalidated the statute. It ruled that the feds cannot commandeer local and state officials and compel them to enforce federal laws; the feds can enforce their own laws.
The federal compulsion, the court held, violated the Guarantee Clause of the Constitution, which guarantees a representative form of government in every state. If the feds could enter a state and nullify the will of elected state officials not to spend state tax dollars, that would unconstitutionally impair representative government in those states.
Can the feds withhold federal funds from cities that refuse to cooperate in the enforcement of federal law? Yes and no. In the post-World War II era, Congress began purchasing state compliance with its wishes in areas that the Constitution did not permit it to regulate. Stated differently, since Congress can spend money on any matter it wishes, as long as it is arguably for the general welfare, but it cannot regulate for the general welfare, it has used its power of the purse as a way around the constitutional limitations on its regulatory powers.
This is legalized bribery of the states.
In the Reagan administration, Congress offered hundreds of millions of dollars to the states to repave federal highways if the states lowered their maximum speed limits to 55 miles per hour. South Dakota objected. Its government wanted the federal cash for the highway repaving but did not want to lower its speed limits.
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the feds. It held that South Dakota is free to reject federal dollars, but if it accepts them, it must accept the strings that accompany them, as long as those strings are clearly spelled out before the cash flows and rationally related to the expenditure of the federal funds. Because repaving highways and the maximum speeds that vehicles would travel on them were rationally related, South Dakota had to choose between its cherished liberal speed limits and federal cash. No surprise, it chose the cash.
Now back to sanctuary cities. When the Obama administration offered Chicago and other cities cash to purchase new police communication equipment, it attached strings to those offers -- but compliance with federal immigration authorities was not among them. Chicago's complaints about DOJ threats are constitutionally sound because federal strings can be imposed only by Congress and they cannot be imposed retroactively.
Thus, federal funds awarded in the Obama administration without the string of cooperation with immigration authorities attached may not be interfered with by the Trump administration. If the feds do withhold committed funds that lack a cooperation condition attached, a court will invalidate that withholding.
Is the refusal to cooperate with the feds a form of nullification? In a word, yes. Federal law is superior to local law in areas that are primarily or exclusively federal, and immigration is unambiguously federal. Yet having pockets throughout the country without local cooperation with the feds fosters what the courts have called "laboratories of democracy."
Stated differently, if the local government in Manhattan or Chicago or Seattle aggressively protects undocumented immigrants who live there in return for the purchasing power and cultural diversity that immigrants bring, that may relieve social and legal pressure on governments elsewhere and will be a social experiment -- a laboratory of democracy -- worthy of cultural and political scrutiny and perhaps even indifference when it comes to the feds.
Many Trump supporters see in the president a champion who will rid the country of those they see as unlawfully here, and they also see in liberal big-city mayors politicians pandering to interest groups. But there is a rich history to federalism, and there are two sides to its coin. The rich history is that of state and local resistance to the tyranny of the majority in Washington -- a resistance as old as the country itself. The refusal of Massachusetts authorities to cooperate with the feds in the enforcement of the federal Fugitive Slave Act comes to mind.
The other side of the coin is unthinkable to my conservative brethren. If Hillary Clinton had been elected president along with a Democratic Congress and it had offered state and local governments federal funds with strings attached requiring cities to make abortions available on demand, they all would be whistling a very different and very federalism-based tune.
https://townhall.com/columnists/judg...f-law-n2366474
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
They're cheering for it because Trump's doing it. The same reason Pelosi, et al, are criticizing it.
It has nothing to do with any actual reasons or ideologies, just one team versus the other.
You're talking about the same people who mindlessly shouted, "Mexico!" when Trump asked who would pay for the wall in his campaign speeches, and then who to a man were totally fine later on when he said that his renegotiated trade agreement with Mexico counts as keeping that promise.
In that case, why is Trump cheering for his idea of doing this? It's hard to say, but for starters, who knows what his own position really is on this issue? He's contradicted himself multiple times on whether or not he wants more or less immigration, both legal and illegal. He's more driven by winning, which to him simply means beating the people who criticize him, than he is by any actual outcome or ideology.
None of us alive have experienced a free market economy in the US.
We learn in Econ 101 that the general Adam Smith / Alfred Marshall standard free market stuff only works under certain free market conditions, and they spend 30 seconds explaining that yes, it's entirely true that we don't have those conditions don't apply, so what we're all going to learn is wrong, and they plow ahead, ignoring that they briefly mentioned there real quick that we're learning a bunch of wrong stuff, and we then then learn what would happen if we lived in the 18th or 19th centuries, or fantasy-land. When there are oligopolies and monopolies, there are not free market conditions. When the government takes huge chunks of your money, not free market conditions. We're nowhere near free markets these days.
So, yeah, they'll be able to raise their prices.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Having floated the idea and gotten positive feed back from his base and condemnation from Dems he seems intent to follow through...
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
To the extent that the factors you're talking about affect their motivations, those cities are what they will naturally gravitate to anyway.
How different is this than the catch and release policies he criticized so much?
If it be answered that without dropping them off in sanctuary cities, they may settle down in other cities. But if it's not the case that the sanctuary policies would be sufficient to draw them into the sanctuary cities, then it also will not be sufficient to keep them there. There are lots of reasons in each individual case for people to want to go other places.
But again, I hope Trump follows through on this. It's an improvement over the alternative, and may even turn out to be a more effective open-border, amnesty, immigration increasing policy than what any other recent presidents of either party ever adopted.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 04-19-2019 at 07:28 AM.
Trump admin considers/proposes/suggests etc etc blah blah blah. One thing you got to give Trump, he knows how to blow smoke up his supporter's arses. Like a good soap opera writer who knows how to close every episode with a cliffhanger so the viewers keep coming back.
And when he follows the orders of his neocon advisers, that is also evidence of him brilliantly conning those same neocons. Its amazing how much rubbish one would believe when you have ones mind psyched to believe in a leader. Every move they make ultimately confirms their original bias.
Anti-Trump, anti-Wall governor of New Mexico is shipping his migrants up to Denver Colorado
I thought it was a horrible idea?
They must be worried about losing Colorado:
Illegal Migrants Come Here as Ready-made Democrats — Here’s Why
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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