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    Suck it, anti-vaxxers: HPV Vaccine Leads To 90% Drop In Pre-Cancerous Cells

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-47803975


    Human papilomavirus (HPV) is a sexually transmitted infection and some types are linked to cervical cancer.

    Researchers said the vaccine has nearly wiped out cases of cervical pre-cancer in young women since an immunisation programme was introduced 10 years ago.

    They found the vaccine had led to a 90% cut in pre-cancerous cells.

    And they said the effects of the programme had "exceeded expectations".

    Over the last decade, schoolgirls across the UK have routinely received the HPV vaccine when they are 12 or 13.

    The uptake of the vaccine in Scotland is about 90%.

    A team of academics - from Strathclyde, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow Caledonian universities - analysed vaccination and screening records for 140,000 women who went for their first cervical screen from 2008-2016.

    Their study, published by the BMJ, concluded that Scotland's HPV vaccination programme has led to "a dramatic reduction in preinvasive cervical disease".

    It adds that the vaccine is "highly effective" and should greatly reduce the incidence of cervical cancer in the future.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Be a virgin, marry a virgin. No risk at all. HPV is spread through repeated contact with infected people.
    Do something Dodgers.

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Be a virgin, marry a virgin. No risk at all. HPV is spread through repeated contact with infected people.
    Pretty much this^^ the article talks about young girls in particular, who *ought* to not be engaging in such risky behavior while under their parents' supervision anyway. Unlike practical vaccinations, this one fails the Reasonable Man standard (per English Common Law).
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    This was a pier reviewed, double blind study that proves beyond the shadow of any doubt that
    the Vaxers were responsible for the 90% drop,,,,,,,,,

    Oh wait, no it wasn't.

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    The government should be the sole arbiter of Medication and Vaccines, they should always
    be in charge of every aspect of our lives.

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    Thumbs down G-damn the pusher man

    Q: What are the possible side effects of HPV vaccination?

    A: Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. Many people who get HPV vaccine have no side effects at all. Some people report having very mild side effects, like a sore arm. The most common side effects are usually mild. Common side effects of HPV vaccine include:

    • Pain, redness, or swelling in the arm where the shot was given
    • Fever
    • Headache or feeling tired
    • Nausea
    • Muscle or joint pain

    Brief fainting spells and related symptoms (such as jerking movements) can happen after any medical procedure, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down while getting a shot and then staying that way for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting and injuries caused by falls that could occur from fainting.

    On very rare occasions, severe (anaphylactic) allergic reactions may occur after vaccination. People with severe allergies to any component of a vaccine should not receive that vaccine.

    https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/ques...l#side-effects

    The Troubling Truth Behind HPV Vaccines : Prepare to be Outraged

    During the first year that Gardasil was on the market, Merck spent one hundred million dollars advertising their HPV vaccine to girls like Gaby. Unfortunately, what Gaby and her mother saw as a health benefit rapidly became a health nightmare after Gaby followed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation to get three doses of Gardasil. Once a varsity cheerleader and straight-A student, Gaby was no longer able to attend school, hang out with friends or walk long distances. She suffered two strokes, partial paralysis on the right side of her face and partial vision loss. She also experienced multiple daily seizures. Gaby would later be diagnosed with postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS), a disease that causes dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system; central nervous system (CNS) lupus, a disease in which the immune system attacks the body’s own cells and tissues; cerebral vasculitis, a disease that causes inflammation of blood vessels that can restrict blood flow, resulting in organ and tissue damage; and fibromyalgia disorder, characterized by widespread musculoskeletal pain accompanied by fatigue, sleep, memory and mood issues.

    ADVERSE REACTIONS UNDERREPORTED


    The first two HPV vaccines to go to market were Merck’s Gardasil vaccine in 2006 and GlaxoSmithKline’s (GSK’s) Cervarix in 2009. (Both are still marketed in other countries but are no longer in use in the U.S., having been replaced by Merck’s Gardasil-9 vaccine in 2017.) HPV vaccines were problematic since their introduction, despite the statement on the CDC’s website that “HPV vaccination gives your child safe, effective, and long-lasting protection against HPV cancers.”2 Moreover, statistics show that Gaby is far from an anomaly: to date, over fifty-eight thousand adverse reactions—including four hundred twenty-seven deaths—have been reported after HPV vaccine injections in the U.S. alone.3 What makes these numbers even more shocking is the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) estimate that less than 1 percent of all vaccine-related adverse reactions are ever reported.4

    Part of the problem is that many doctors don’t even know that there is a government system for reporting adverse events, called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).5 For those who do, the system is complicated and time-consuming to use.6 Another barrier to reporting adverse reactions is what doctors are taught in medical school—that vaccines are so safe, they may never encounter a vaccine reaction during their entire career. Therefore, doctors often do not realize that medical conditions arising after vaccination could be vaccine-related injuries.

    A 2016 study out of Canada highlighted the under-reporting of vaccine injuries. The study looked at over one hundred ninety-five thousand girls who had received HPV vaccines. Within forty-two days of HPV vaccination, the girls experienced over twenty thousand emergency room visits (n=19,351) or hospitalizations (n=958). However, only one hundred and ninety-eight adverse events were reported.7

    HIDING AND DENYING THE DAMAGE


    With statistics like these, one would think that the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture HPV vaccines and the authorities responsible for protecting public health by ensuring vaccine safety and efficacy would acknowledge that there is a problem, but instead of reevaluating HPV vaccines or pulling them off the market, these entities continually dismiss the onslaught of injuries as “coincidental” or “psychosomatic.”8 HPV-vaccine-associated injuries include (but are not limited to) muscle pain and weakness; encephalopathy (brain inflammation); rheumatoid arthritis; Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS); multiple sclerosis; amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS); lupus; POTS; chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS); primary ovarian failure (POV); strokes; seizures; facial paralysis; and sudden cardiac death.9 Tragically, many adolescents have been accused of “faking” their illnesses right up until their deaths.

    Some efforts to minimize the evidence of serious adverse reactions to HPV vaccines may go so far as to constitute criminal activity. In 2016, Dr. Sin Hang Lee, a scientist and doctor, wrote an open letter of complaint to Dr. Margaret Chan, at the time the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO). Dr. Lee’s letter alleged scientific misconduct and cover-up of HPV vaccine dangers by global health officials.10 The source of information for Dr. Lee’s letter was a trail of emails and other communications between global health officials obtained via an Official Information Act request in New Zealand. The communications provided evidence that the same officials who were busy reassuring the public that HPV vaccines were safe knew that Gardasil and Cervarix were more likely than other vaccines to cause a potentially dangerous inflammatory response.

    Specifically, WHO officials knew that the vaccines trigger the release of cytokines or proteins called tumor necrosis factors (TNFs), which can cause cell death.11 The release of TNFs can also result in a wide range of reactions such as tumor regression, septic shock (a serious whole-body inflammatory response that can result in dangerously low blood pressure and death) and cachexia (a wasting syndrome where the person loses weight, becomes fatigued and experiences muscle atrophy).12

    THE RUSH TO MARKET


    Perhaps the grossest example of FDA misconduct of all time is the fact that Gardasil was fast-tracked.13 The time period from clinical trial to recommending the vaccine was only four years, even though most vaccines take an average of three years to develop and five to ten more for universal acceptance. Fast-tracking is a process meant to “facilitate the development of drugs which treat a serious or life-threatening condition.”14 It is a misuse of fast-tracking to apply it toward the licensure of a vaccine designed to eliminate a sexually transmitted virus with which the majority of sexually active men and women are infected at one point or another—a virus that 90 percent of infected individuals clear naturally from the body within two years.15

    In addition to the potentially fraudulent fast-tracking of Gardasil, the vaccine was only studied in twelve hundred girls under the age of sixteen before its recommendation for universal use in all eleven- to twelve-year-old girls. No studies looked at Gardasil’s use in children with preexisting health problems or its use in combination with the other vaccines routinely given to American adolescents.16 Similarly, Cervarix, which was licensed in the U.S. in 2009, was studied for less than six years in fewer than twelve hundred healthy girls under the age of fifteen.

    Typically, trials of new drugs compare one group that is given the drug against a “control” group that is given an inert (inactive) placebo, most often a saline solution. However, the clinical trials for Gardasil and Cervarix did not use a legitimate placebo in each of their control groups.17 Instead of receiving a saline solution, participants in several of the Gardasil control groups received aluminum in the form of a neurotoxic adjuvant present in all HPV vaccines. In the case of Cervarix, control group participants were given hepatitis A vaccine or other childhood vaccines—capable of causing adverse reactions—in lieu of a true placebo. Did this result in fraudulent conclusions? One might ask, how is it possible to detect adverse reactions properly without a legitimate control group?16

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Q: What are the possible side effects of HPV vaccination?

    A: Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. Many people who get HPV vaccine have no side effects at all. Some people report having very mild side effects, like a sore arm. The most common side effects are usually mild. Common side effects of HPV vaccine include:

    • Pain, redness, or swelling in the arm where the shot was given
    • Fever
    • Headache or feeling tired
    • Nausea
    • Muscle or joint pain

    Brief fainting spells and related symptoms (such as jerking movements) can happen after any medical procedure, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down while getting a shot and then staying that way for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting and injuries caused by falls that could occur from fainting.

    On very rare occasions, severe (anaphylactic) allergic reactions may occur after vaccination. People with severe allergies to any component of a vaccine should not receive that vaccine.

    https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/ques...l#side-effects


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    $100 Million, a Dead Woman, and a Statewide Cover Up
    Flint, Michigan comes to Maryland’s Department of Health


    By Josh Mazer - April 10, 2019

    In a completely predictable turn of events, Merck has been formally accused of fraud and a host of other serious charges relating to the approval and marketing of the troubled, liability-free human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, which they named Gardasil. This is the same vaccine for which our Maryland State Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOH) has accepted over $100 million since 2011 to stealth market and hard-sell throughout the state. The marketing also specifically includes targeting our 11 and 12 year olds sitting at their school desks.

    The claims of the plaintiffs are being heard by Judge Maren Nelson in California Superior Court in the matter of Robi V Merck CA BC628589. A dream team of plaintiff pharma attorneys includes renowned names: Ajalat & Ajalat; Weitz & Luxenberg; Morgan & Morgan; and Baum Hedlund, all of whom have teamed up to take on what they call “the most dangerous vaccine ever.” The list of formal claims against Merck include: 1) Fraud and deceit; 2) Negligent misrepresentation; 3) Defective product- inadequate warnings and information; and 4) medical malpractice and medical battery. On January 9, 2019, Judge Maren heard hours of testimony about the science of the case from both sides. She then denied Merck’s motion to dismiss and set discovery. The case will go on. The full case file is attached above.

    The people who are suffering the negative effects of this irresponsible public health policy are our children. The Maryland Department of Health ignored the death of 21-year-old Christina Tarsell, of Baltimore County. The judicial decision that her death was caused by Gardasil was announced in Sept, 2017, a year in which the Maryland DOH accepted over $17 million in HPV vaccine kickbacks from pharma funded front groups. There have been over 681 Vaccine Adverse Event Reports related to the HPV vaccine in Maryland since 2006, 50 of them classified as “serious”— and our state bureaucrats not only took no action to protect us, but also actively covered up the problems.

    The Maryland DOH was alerted, as was Governor Hogan’s office, that the testing on this vaccine was flawed and that Gardasil could cause problems. The allegations in Robi v Merck, discussed above, include the following specific medical issues that happened in the clinical trials, but were suppressed by Merck: 2.3% experienced serious autoimmune disease within seven months; death rates two times greater than background rates; five times greater numbers of birth defects among pregnant trial participants, and ten times greater numbers of reproductive issues. Perhaps most troubling of all, the evidence heard in January 2019 by Judge Maren in California Superior Court included allegations that certain clinical trial groups receiving Gardasil were up to 45% more likely to develop precancerous cervical lesions or cancer than compared to unvaccinated girls. Robi further alleges that Merck knew all this, and deliberately covered it up, just as years before, Merck had covered up knowledge that its Vioxx product was causing vascular events such as strokes and heart attacks. Vioxx wound up killing an estimated 90,000 people.

    The HPV vaccine public health policy in Maryland is a nauseating throwback to the bad old days of Vioxx, Avandia, and other major medical marketing scams in which Merck itself was found to be criminally guilty of marketing fraud. It is medicine by sales contest, with safety and effectiveness secondary to the discussion of how this product is going to make everyone who touches it rich. Rather than providing oversight, and reining in this money grab, the Maryland state bureaucrats instead became willing participants, to the tune of $100,000,000 and counting.

    We in the State of Maryland wrongly presumed that our public health bureaucrats have their eyes on our safety, and the safety of our kids, when in fact, they are playing a high stakes game of vaccine money ball. Our kids are sold out to pharma by the very people we elect and entrust to keep them safe.

    This story shares amazing parallels to the Flint Michigan water crisis, and comes to us courtesy of the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

    Take Action! E-mail Governor Hogan. The message for him is short and simple: Stop all state, federal, and non-profit funding for Merck’s liability-free Gardasil shot in Maryland.

    More Information:

    http://themarylandcrabs.com/tag/josh-mazer/

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/opini...814-story.html

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/opini...112-story.html

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/opini...907-story.html

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/opini...908-story.html

    http://www.gardasil-and-unexplained-deaths.com/

    www.hpvisstd.com
    https://www.arundelpatriot.org/2019/...wide-cover-up/
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    We'll, yeah, but if you give them the hpv vaccine then it'll be nonstnon orgies in middle schools all over the country.

    What's that, the rate at which teens are having sex has gone down since introduction of the vaccine? Uh, nevermind.
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  12. #10
    The Truth is Out: Gardasil Vaccine Coverup Exposed

    By Kelly Brogan, MD

    Grassroots Awareness
    At lunch with publishing wheeler-dealers discussing the state of affairs in women’s mental health, a soft-spoken pregnant woman seated to my left turned to me and said: “I know this is off-topic, but what do you think of the Gardasil vaccine? I know a 25 year old who got it and hasn’t been able to leave the house in months? It seems more and more people are seeing it’s a bad idea?”

    This question and its implications moved me.

    A woman who will soon be responsible for the welfare of another human, is asking questions she wouldn’t be asking if she just behaved like a good patient. She feels a curiosity fueled by doubt. She feels, inside herself, that something isn’t right about what we’ve been told and recommended. She senses, even if unconsciously, that the authorities we have vested with so much power, are not delivering on their promises.

    Agnotology
    One of my favorite medical terms, anosognosia, means lack of awareness of a deficit. I have come to find this useful in description of so many of my colleagues who practice the medicine they were trained to practice without conscious acknowledgement of its gross limitations and even hazards.

    Relatedly, agnotology is the study of the propagation of ignorance. It is the meme-ification, societally, of coverups, half-truths, and misinformation. Simple catch phrases parroted in an echo chamber. It’s the creation of a mirage of information, often accomplished through concerted efforts like those described by journalist Sharyl Attkisson, as astroturfing.

    I’ve always wondered whether those casting a dark veil over the Truth know that they are doing that? Or do the folks carefully crafting messages truly believe that they are working in the best interest of you and your beloved children. In following the published literature, I will sometimes catch a glimpse of the frustration felt by doctors and medical specialty organizations who are now finding that they have to cope with an unprecedented onslaught of inquiry from their silly patients who are, of course, reading too many pseudoscience internet blogs.

    Sometimes, and never in mainstream media (thank goodness for the democratization of information the internet offers!), we learn about deliberate misinformation. Whistleblower William Thompson told us that the CDC had knowingly suppressed and manipulated data that demonstrated a clear statistical association between the MMR vaccine and autism in African American boys.

    We also know that the 4250% increase in fetal deaths documented in the two vaccine flu season of 2009/2010 was known to the CDC but not to you or your girlfriend.

    The Jig Is Up on Gardasil Vaccine
    And now we may have some of the most damning evidence of deliberate misinformation around one of the least indicated and most reported of all vaccines – the HPV vaccine, most commonly represented by Gardasil.

    A vaccine I remember feeling righteously excited for as a medical student – finally, a women’s vaccine!

    The past 8 years of my research have led me to conclude that the promotion of this pharmaceutical product (and its new and improved versions) is nothing short of reckless endangerment of our youth.

    Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD, poses this important question:

    “Is it ethical to put young women at risk of death or a disabling autoimmune disease at a pre-adolescent age for a vaccine that has not yet prevented a single case of cervical cancer, a disease that may develop 20-30 years after exposure to HPV, when the same can be prevented with regular Pap screening which carries no risks.”

    On January 14, 2016, Sin Hang Lee, MD wrote an open letter of complaint to the Director-General of the World Health Organization, Dr. Margaret Chan. Documents made available to him through a Freedom of Information request in New Zealand revealed evidence that the Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) deliberately misled the Japanese Expert Inquiry convened to explore concerns around HPV vaccine safety in 2014 hearings in Japan.

    Email chains within the committee exposed a conspiratorial energy. Like a circle of teens cooking up an alibi to give an angry parent whose carpet was stained with wine stolen from their liquor cabinet. There is an undeniable air of an Us vs Them strategy. But aren’t these supposed to be officials looking out for the Greater Good and for collective wellness?

    As Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez once said, “Medicine is the last religion. The hospital is the Temple. The priests wear white and they all speak their own internal language.” It isn’t hard to generate an air of authority in the realm of medical science. Throw some definitive statements in there. Use the phrase “expert panel” or “expert opinion” or “consensus”, and be sure to attach references to any statements in question. No one ever checks references, right?

    Unfortunately for Drs. Pless, Dr. Petousis-Harris, and other committee members, Dr. Lee has checked references, and what he discovered could only be made right through “an immediate independent investigation and appropriate disciplinary action”.

    You can read his 15 page letter here and learn how:

    Declarations of harmlessness – science by proclamation – are made in the absence of available science to support these claims.
    Concerns about contamination of HPV DNA fragments were dismissed without a shred of evidence: references were falsely attributed to conceal a total vacuum of peer-reviewed science on the safety of HPV L1 gene DNA fragments. These fragments were conflated with HPV-16 particles in hopes that this wave of the hand would quiet further inquiry.
    Concerns about the antigenicity of aluminum is dismissed in direct conflict to available evidence of inflammatory response generated by vaccination as demonstrated by the WHO’s own data.
    Tactics used to generate an illusion of scientific certainty including: CDC Technical Reports by ghostwriter(s) based on phone conversations, references to unpublished PhD material, and health blogs.
    Dr. Lee offers a summary analysis of 22 key peer-reviewed references to summarize the available information on aluminum adjuvant as a biotoxicant.

    He implies that while aluminum adjuvant may have sound intentions to stimulate a “productive”, antigen-specific immune response by damaging local cells at the injection site, sending out a stimulatory signal, the evidence of its biological activity in this vaccine is more complicated.

    With the presence of viral DNA, the body recognizes the pathogen DNA as non-self, and this viral DNA/aluminum compound stimulates an inflammatory cytokine storm.

    This is plausible mechanistic explanation for autonomic dysfunction, primary ovarian failure, and sudden death, the stories of which are circulating the globe.

    He states, “There is no excuse for intentionally ignoring the scientific evidence. There is no excuse for misleading global vaccination policy makers at the expense of public interest.”

    Hot Off the Press Indictment
    A study published just this week uses a true placebo (rather than an aluminum placebo) to demonstrates behavioral and cognitive changes induced in rodents delivered the HPV vaccine and those injected with aluminum. They conclude:

    “Moreover, anti-HPV antibodies from the sera of Gardasil and Gardasil+Pt-injected mice showed cross-reactivity with the mouse brain protein extract. Immunohistochemistry analysis revealed microglial activation in the CA1 area of the hippocampus of Gardasil-injected mice compared to the control. It appears that Gardasil via its Al adjuvant and HPV antigens has the ability to trigger neuroinflammation and autoimmune reactions, further leading to behavioral changes.”

    This signal of harm for this FDA fast-tracked product has become undeniable.

    When You Know Better, Do Better
    What we need to know, we already know.

    We are in an uncomfortable transition phase, one that Charles Eisenstein refers to as the space between the Story of Separation and the Story of Interbeing. We are allowing our previously constructed worldview – the beliefs underpinning the myth of science and technology as agents to free and better us – to crumble. We are watching the defenders of this Story scramble to keep the illusion of it alive, like that of Oz behind the curtain.

    But Dorothy had what she needed to get home, the whole time.

    Let go of the us vs germs paradigm. There’s a huge safety net to catch you. It is woven from the flora and fauna waiting patiently for our return.
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    Big pharma doesn´t even claim that there is a single scientific study on the correlation between cancer and those magical HPV vaccines!

    When the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine was introduced in 2006, cervical cancer rates had been steadily declining for several decades. Sweden had relatively low levels of cervical cancer.
    Since Sweden approved the Gardasil vaccine in 2006, Sweden’s cervical cancer rates stopped declining. In 2017, Sweden’s Center for Cervical Cancer Prevention reported that the incidence of cervical cancer is climbing in nearly all counties.
    In the two-year period from 2013 to 2015, the cervical cancer rates in Sweden increased with 20%.

    An (anonymous) Swedish researcher found that while the cervical cancer rates in younger women (ages 20-49) increased considerably, the cancer rates for older women (over age 50) didn’t increase.




    Sweden approved Gardasil in 2006.
    By 2015, the oldest girls in the “catch-up” group (ages 15-18) that were vaccinated in Sweden had reached their early twenties and were within the 20-29-year range that displayed the greatest increase in cervical cancer incidence.




    If Gardasil causes cervical cancer - this is what you would expect…

    While the dying rate from cervical cancer is only .23 per 10,000, the serious adverse event rate of Gardasil is 1 in 15 (7%) and a death rate among the vaccinated is 14 per 10,000: https://worldmercuryproject.org/news...rvical-cancer/
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  14. #12
    all im going to say is if i could do it over again id take the hpv vaccine... way better than getting cancer imo.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Big pharma doesn´t even claim that there is a single scientific study on the correlation between cancer and those magical HPV vaccines!
    Your source for saying that "big pharma" doesn't claim that?

  16. #14
    Oh Angela I can't believe you really believe that NWO BS. Come on now girl.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Chester Copperpot View Post
    all im going to say is if i could do it over again id take the hpv vaccine... way better than getting cancer imo.
    A dear friend of mine got the HPV vaccine a little over three years ago...she was currently diagnosed with ovarian cancer and is undergoing chemo.
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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    A dear friend of mine got the HPV vaccine a little over three years ago...she was currently diagnosed with ovarian cancer and is undergoing chemo.
    Yeah Im not sure its going to prevent other types of cancers... As a man supposedly we are more susceptible to HPV related oral cancers.. Dont know.. If a doctor advised me to get the vaccine as a preventative Id get it... Sometimes it seems youre damned if you do and damned if you dont.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Big pharma doesn´t even claim that there is a single scientific study on the correlation between cancer and those magical HPV vaccines!
    Your source for saying that "big pharma" doesn't claim that?
    Do you even “think” before you post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Because there have been no trials at all with cervical cancer as an end point, because sample size and trial duration would be impractical – there is no evidence that any vaccine prevents cervical cancer.
    The trial size and duration would be impractical… because cervical cancer is a very rare outcome of HPV infection! If cancer is such a rare outcome of HPV; a “surrogate endpoint” like HPV infection isn’t very relevant.

    The longest available follow-up data from phase II trials for Gardasil and Cervarix are 5 and 8.4 years, respectively.
    If we suppose that immunity becomes less within 20 years after vaccination, it seems unlikely that HPV-vaccines could prevent cancer.
    Data suggest “immunity” for up to 5-8 years after vaccination. Even if this is true this doesn’t show that cervical cancer could be prevented 2 to 3 decades after vaccination.

    In “developed” countries on the other hand, with cervical cancer screening, vaccination programs would only be cost-effective if the vaccine provides complete and life-long efficacy and there is at least 75% coverage of the pre-adolescent population.
    This makes the cost-effectiveness of these vaccines in “developed” countries also very doubtful.

    Sudeep Gupta et al – Is human papillomavirus vaccination likely to be a useful strategy in India? (2013)
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Do you even “think” before you post?
    Yes. And in the post you're replying to here I asked you a simple question. Is there a reason you didn't address what I asked?

  22. #19
    The vaccine does not prevent all strains of HPV, just so you know, and there is no test for men. The best statistics are only guesses.

    So called “safe” sex will not prevent transmission of HPV because the virus is transmitted through direct genital contact with skin where the infection is active.

    HPV-related cancers in men have always been extremely rare. The vaccine is recommended for boys so they don’t contract cancer-causing strains of HPV and pass them along to their various partners.

    Cervical cancer in women is not always caused by HPV.
    Last edited by euphemia; 04-11-2019 at 04:03 PM.
    Do something Dodgers.

  23. #20
    So use the data to promote your view... Regardless of its efficacy, I'm 100% against government mandated vaccinations - that's really what's causing all of this "Anti-Vaxxer" stuff. The slimy fking government, and their big pharma friends... The actions on both sides of the issue speaks volumes.

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  24. #21
    Where is the research? This is just a commentary published in the news, which says:

    new research suggests.


    So where is the study? I read the entire article and found no link to the study.

    The BMJ pretty much publishes anything these days, even editorial commentaries....
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  25. #22
    I found the study:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1161

    Basically, they looked at 12 and 13 year old girls and then examined them at age 20 to see if they had cervical cancer.

    Question: what age are females most like to develop cervical cancer?

    From the study:

    This study has limitations. The analysis was confined to women attending for cervical screening at age 20. Uptake of screening in fully vaccinated women aged 20 or 21 is 51%, and only 23% in unvaccinated women. It is possible therefore that vaccine effectiveness was over-estimated.
    And then I always look to see who funded the study. There is this:

    Competing interests: All authors have completed the ICMJE uniform disclosure form at www.icmje.org/coi_disclosure.pdf and declare: KP has received travel monies from both Merck and GSK to attend conferences. KC’s institution has received monies to deliver research, or associated consumables to support research, from: Qiagen, Hologic, Selfscreen, GeneFirst, Euroimmun, Cepheid, Genomica, and LifeRiver.
    So the authors of the study were on the payroll of the pharmaceutical companies who manufacture the HPV vaccine.
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  26. #23
    It was once found out that there is a correlation between a previous infection with the magical Human papilloma virus (HPV) and cervical cancer.
    Even though “correlation” isn’t “causation” they invented out of thin air that HPV causes cervical cancer.

    Then they looked for vaccines that supposedly prevent infections with HPV.
    Even if you assume that an infection with HPV increases your risk of cancer, it could very well be that poisoning somebody with an HPV vaccine increases the cancer rates (statistical information proves this).


    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    As for this “study”...
    The “scientists” forgot to report that they don’t have a placebo control group. There is no reason to believe that the unvaccinated young women and vaccinated women are similar. If hypothecically speaking, women with a compromised immune system or other health problems weren’t vaccinated, it would appear logical that these would have higher rates of illness (including cancer).
    That only 23% of the unvaccinated women were screened, compared to 51% in fully vaccinated women, shows that these 2 groups aren’t similar. The “scientists” forgot to figure out why this huge difference appears.

    They even claim that the non-vaccinated women were protected not by vaccines but by “herd immunity”.
    Herd protection was observed for the unvaccinated women in the 1995-96 cohort, with a 63% reduction in the odds of CIN grade1 (11% to 85%), 67% reduction for CIN grade 2 (19% to 86%), and 100% (69% to 100%) reduction for CIN grade 3, compared with unvaccinated women in 1988-90.
    So basically they assume that the unvaccinated young women were more protected. This suggests that these “scientists” have been manipulating the data to make the conclusions that big pharma wants. How could they assume that the “protection” of the unvaccinated was the result of the other girls being poisoned with HPV vaccines?
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    So the authors of the study were on the payroll of the pharmaceutical companies who manufacture the HPV vaccine.
    They compared the “early” to the “later” unvaccinated group. Of course these groups aren’t the same, but never mind that! If hypothetically speaking in around 1994 guidelines were changed for contraindications for HPV vaccines, this could account for this...
    Girls in the catch-up group (1991-94) are more likely to have been exposed to HPV before immunisation, whereas the routinely immunised group (1995-96) are considered more likely to be HPV naïve. We investigated herd protection by comparing the disease rates among unvaccinated women in the 1991-92, 1993-4, and 1995-96 cohorts with unvaccinated women in the 1989-90 cohort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Basically, they looked at 12 and 13 year old girls and then examined them at age 20 to see if they had cervical cancer.
    And to top it all, they didn’t even study any reduction in cancer rates, but a reduction in rate of Cervical Intraepithelial Neoplasia (CIN). CIN is NOT cancer and usually curable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervic...lial_neoplasia

    As it is reported that “only a small percentage” of CIN cases supposedly progress to cervical cancer it is doubtful how anybody could even prove this...
    Whether this reported reduction in CIN is associated with a reduction of cervical cancer rates, or an increase, only time can tell.
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  27. #24
    I this case, I don’t see that the safety and efficacy of Gardasil is the issue. The issue is whether there is a safer alternative that can prevent HPV 100%. There is, and not giving that argument is medical malpractice.
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  29. #25
    One more point: So-called studies do not use unvaccinated virgins til marriage as any kind of demographic. There is no way to determine anything in that cas, because it would be based on the word of the participant.
    Do something Dodgers.

  30. #26
    There is not a single vaccine that ever provides instant immunity. If there is exposure to disease at any point before full immunity develops, the patient will get sick. Any woman can be vaccinated, but if she has sexual contact with an infected person at any point before she has developed the antibodies to prevent disease, she will get the disease. That’s a months-long process.
    Do something Dodgers.



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