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    Tucker Carlson on Marijuana

    And yesterday he was spewing anti pot propaganda.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    And yesterday he was spewing anti pot propaganda.
    Few people are perfect, you take your allies as you find them or you won't have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    And yesterday he was spewing anti pot propaganda.
    That's weird.

    I don't watch any cable, so I haven't seen much of his show at all. But is he for the war on drugs? And if so, has that been his position all along? I wouldn't have expected that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    That's weird.

    I don't watch any cable, so I haven't seen much of his show at all. But is he for the war on drugs? And if so, has that been his position all along? I wouldn't have expected that.
    I've only seen him go on about it twice, but I don't watch him that often. I only noticed it because his show came up after a few YouTube videos auto played. I would assume he has mentioned it more than that.

    Once is enough for me to understand he is not liberty minded or not allowed to be, both equally bad for someone with so much influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Few people are perfect, you take your allies as you find them or you won't have any.
    My first time I realized how stupid of an idea that is was when Shawn Hannity trashed Ron Paul in the 2008 election. I was only 27 at the time. I used to like Hannity, and gave him a pass on the things I disagreed with him on for the same reasons you do with Tucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    My first time I realized how stupid of an idea that is was when Shawn Hannity trashed Ron Paul in the 2008 election. I was only 27 at the time. I used to like Hannity, and gave him a pass on the things I disagreed with him on for the same reasons you do with Tucker.
    Is it better to have no allies?
    Ron worked with Kucinich who was much worse than Tucker.
    You have to watch your back but you need to work with people who aren't perfect.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I remember reading once that Carlson supports legalizing prostitution, so it’s surprising that he’s against marijuana legalization. I just thought what he said tonight was right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Is it better to have no allies?
    Ron worked with Kucinich who was much worse than Tucker.
    You have to watch your back but you need to work with people who aren't perfect.
    Ron was a politician that had to work the system, one of his shortcomings. We are viewers giving political power to a person, why? Because he sticks up for trump?

    Sorry, I can't watch him anymore. I can't defend him. I don't care how popular he has become. I wont be betrayed again when it matters. I wont stand behind him unless he stands for liberty, which he does not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Ron was a politician that had to work the system, one of his shortcomings. We are viewers giving political power to a person, why? Because he sticks up for trump?

    Sorry, I can't watch him anymore. I can't defend him. I don't care how popular he has become. I wont be betrayed again when it matters. I wont stand behind him unless he stands for liberty, which he does not.
    He stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around, if you want only hyper statists to get exposure then go ahead and reject him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    I remember reading once that Carlson supports legalizing prostitution, so it’s surprising that he’s against marijuana legalization. I just thought what he said tonight was right on.
    That is what you have to look out for. It is rare to hear a voice that stands up for things we believe in, so it is easy for us to embrace them. With that embrace though, we cease critical thought. When you hear Tucker supporting prostitution but advocating against legalizing drugs, alarm bells should go off in your head.

    This guy used to be on CNN. His business, his way to making more money, to improve his life and his family's is to get the best ratings. He is doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around, if you want only hyper statists to get exposure then go ahead and reject him.
    Maybe on mainstream media. What about John Stossel? I disagree with him on some issues, but he is an actual supporter of liberty. Tucker is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    That is what you have to look out for. It is rare to hear a voice that stands up for things we believe in, so it is easy for us to embrace them. With that embrace though, we cease critical thought. When you hear Tucker supporting prostitution but advocating against legalizing drugs, alarm bells should go off in your head.

    This guy used to be on CNN. His business, his way to making more money, to improve his life and his family's is to get the best ratings. He is doing well.
    What was his role in derailing Ron Paul's campaign? Bigger than Ron's campaign manager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Maybe on mainstream media. What about John Stossel? I disagree with him on some issues, but he is an actual supporter of liberty. Tucker is not.
    You can have more than one ally and you need to reach as many different receptive audiences as you can.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around, if you want only hyper statists to get exposure then go ahead and reject him.
    Do you mind me asking how old you are? Your exuberance screams younger than me, but your knowledge hints you might be older. I'm turning 38 this month. If you are younger, I will of course assume you've been burnt less, and understand your lack of skepticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Do you mind me asking how old you are? Your exuberance screams younger than me, but your knowledge hints you might be older. I'm turning 38 this month. If you are younger, I will of course assume you've been burnt less, and understand your lack of skepticism.
    I'm not that old but I'm not too much younger either.
    I have been burned but you have to keep trying anyway or you will lose.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around, if you want only hyper statists to get exposure then go ahead and reject him.
    Sure, if you reject the likes of Ron Paul, Walter Block, Daniel McAdams, Judge Nap, Justin Amash, me, and others. Then Carlson stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Sure, if you reject the likes of Ron Paul, Walter Block, Daniel McAdams, Judge Nap, Justin Amash, me, and others. Then Carlson stands for liberty a lot more than anyone else around.
    None of those people are in the MSM with the ear of the sheeple, we need people like Tucker to bring the sheeple within earshot of us.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    None of those people are in the MSM with the ear of the sheeple, we need people like Tucker to bring the sheeple within earshot of us.
    Ron Paul and Justin are on tv. The big problem is Common Core which nobody wants to talk about.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ron Paul and Justin are on tv. The big problem is Common Core which nobody wants to talk about.
    TV=/=MSM and most people don't watch Ron or Justin.
    And lots of people talk about Common Core.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Psychiatric drugs are terrible and ruining the people that are prescribed and addicted to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And lots of people talk about Common Core.
    Really? Where?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    That is what you have to look out for. It is rare to hear a voice that stands up for things we believe in, so it is easy for us to embrace them. With that embrace though, we cease critical thought. When you hear Tucker supporting prostitution but advocating against legalizing drugs, alarm bells should go off in your head.

    This guy used to be on CNN. His business, his way to making more money, to improve his life and his family's is to get the best ratings. He is doing well.
    He doesn’t claim to be a libertarian, correct? If that’s the case, then I don’t see why it matters. He’s an anti interventionist conservative, which is rare today, especially on Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    My first time I realized how stupid of an idea that is was when Shawn Hannity trashed Ron Paul in the 2008 election. I was only 27 at the time. I used to like Hannity, and gave him a pass on the things I disagreed with him on for the same reasons you do with Tucker.
    Tucker is way better than Hannity in every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    He doesn’t claim to be a libertarian, correct? If that’s the case, then I don’t see why it matters. He’s an anti interventionist conservative, which is rare today, especially on Fox News.
    I think he used to call himself a libertarian. I don't know if he does any more. He supported Ron Paul not only in his presidential runs as a Republican, but also as a Libertarian in 1988.

    I googled his drug war views, and it seems like he's still for legalization, but tends to speak out of both sides of his mouth concerning it.

    The main issue where he's never been libertarian is immigration.



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    Tucker Carlson has stated on air that although he saw himself as a libertarian in the past, his perceptions of its political ineffectiveness in combating Progressivism have influenced him to be more conservative. He believes it will take strong activism to fight the leftists.

    His objections to legal marijuana are some of his least reasoned points and seem to be more out of disgust with those he grew up around that were lazy and unmotivated. He conflates their personality traits with their marijuana use. This is a mistake as it's not the marijuana which causes their problems any more than liquor is the primary problem of an alcoholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynZoo View Post
    His objections to legal marijuana are some of his least reasoned points and seem to be more out of disgust with those he grew up around that were lazy and unmotivated. He conflates their personality traits with their marijuana use. This is a mistake as it's not the marijuana which causes their problems any more than liquor is the primary problem of an alcoholic.
    On a more basic level, even if he sees marijuana that way, and even if he's completely right about it, it's still not an argument against legalization, just an argument against choosing to use it.

    And this is where it looks to me like he contradicts himself on this issue (again, I say this based on googling, not actually watching his show). He seems to waver between making those points as arguments against using marijuana, while still opposing prohibition, and as arguments against legalization. Sometimes it seems like he wants to criticize politicians for favoring legalization and say they're promoting marijuana use, and then turn around in the very same segment and say that he's not against legalization.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 04-10-2019 at 06:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I think he used to call himself a libertarian. I don't know if he does any more. He supported Ron Paul not only in his presidential runs as a Republican, but also as a Libertarian in 1988.

    I googled his drug war views, and it seems like he's still for legalization, but tends to speak out of both sides of his mouth concerning it.

    The main issue where he's never been libertarian is immigration.
    Tucker doesn't talk on both sides of his mouth on cannabis legalization...

    I'm for legalization of heroin, if people want to use it I won't stop them, but I don't think anybody should use heroin (other opiates are better for pain management or recreational use)

    Tucker is for legalization of herb, he just thinks people shouldn't use it on a widespread basis because he believes some of the propaganda about cannabis causing psychiatric disorders.
    Last edited by dannno; 04-10-2019 at 08:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Tucker doesn't talk on both sides of his mouth on cannabis legalization...

    I'm for legalization of heroin, if people want to use it I won't stop them, but I don't think anybody should use heroin (other opiates are better for pain management or recreational use)

    Tucker is for legalization of herb, he just thinks people shouldn't use it on a widespread basis because he believes some of the propaganda about cannabis causing psychiatric disorders.
    Based on what I saw when I googled it, it looks to me like he does talk out both sides of his mouth. Maybe you saw something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Is it better to have no allies?
    Ron worked with Kucinich who was much worse than Tucker.
    You have to watch your back but you need to work with people who aren't perfect.
    We have a love affair with losing.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Based on what I saw when I googled it, it looks to me like he does talk out both sides of his mouth. Maybe you saw something different.
    No, you are wrong. Tucker does not think we should keep herb illegal, he just doesn't think people should use it. You will not find a quote from Tucker saying we need to keep herb illegal.

    It's the same view Ron Paul has about heroin. I don't know why this is so difficult for people on this site.

    Probably the same reason some people think Tucker likes Elliot Abrams. You just can't stand to see somebody who mostly embodies the conservative/libertarian viewpoint become successful, so you have to pick at the little things you disagree on to make sure other libertarians don't support them.. it's a downright mental disorder.. either that, or you people don't want libertarians to become successful, ever.
    Last edited by dannno; 04-10-2019 at 09:21 AM.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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