[Edit] Trump changes mind, will allow a million more immigrants before closing border

[A Son of Liberty]

Been doing that for 30 years.

Ineffective...I am not going to see real immigration control, or a wall or fence or earthen berm any more than I am going to see any real reduction in the welfare/warfare state.

Next suggestion?

If I have you right: what you're saying is that you've been appealing to the state to get off your back, and that effort has been fruitless; so you've switched tactics to appealing to the state to end the stream of non-citizens flowing into the state's territory (thereby further empowering the state, of course). I think you would agree that this is a less libertarian solution to "the problem", yes? But I think what you're saying is that you became so exasperated with the failure of appealing to the state to end the incentives that you've taken to "drastic measures - appealing to the state to "secure the border".

I understand that, but I'd ask you why you think appealing to the state for anything at all is any kind of solution? I mean, this is what we anti-statists have literally been saying all along: that it is utterly pointless to appeal to the state for anything other than what will benefit the state. The state isn't going to give you anything other than that.

Here's a quote from H.D. Thoreau that is precisely relevant to your conundrum, sir:



STRIKE THE ROOT.

[Anti Federalist]

If I have you right: what you're saying is that you've been appealing to the state to get off your back, and that effort has been fruitless; so you've switched tactics to appealing to the state to end the stream of non-citizens flowing into the state's territory (thereby further empowering the state, of course). I think you would agree that this is a less libertarian solution to "the problem", yes? But I think what you're saying is that you became so exasperated with the failure of appealing to the state to end the incentives that you've taken to "drastic measures - appealing to the state to "secure the border".

I understand that, but I'd ask you why you think appealing to the state for anything at all is any kind of solution? I mean, this is what we anti-statists have literally been saying all along: that it is utterly pointless to appeal to the state for anything other than what will benefit the state. The state isn't going to give you anything other than that.

Here's a quote from H.D. Thoreau that is precisely relevant to your conundrum, sir:



STRIKE THE ROOT.

Close, but not quite.

STR is great site by the way, contributed to it many times over the years.

Let me clarify.

I don't think I will see any effective border control any more than I will see any meaningful reduction of the welfare/warfare/surveillance/police state.

I really do see what is happening at the border as an invasion, well planned, well thought out and manipulated by outside factors.

That, combined with the already unprecedented support for authoritarian collectivism among the native population, allowing tens of millions of migrants into the country will tip the scales to universal support for uni-party collectivist rule for the next 100 years or more.

I want the fedgov do what Ron Paul wanted it do....stop protecting borders overseas, come home and defend our borders, I want it to call out the militia, organized and un-organized, to do the same thing.

In other words, to fulfill one of the limited constitutional roles it had, in order to respond to, what I will maintain, is an invasion that will destroy any semblance of a limited, free government.

We already have active measures across the country to repeal the First and Second amendments to the bill of rights, to eliminate proportional senate representation, the electoral college and more.

I am appealing to the captain of the sinking ship of state to get off his ass, realize that we are taking on water in the middle of a hurricane and take bold and decisive action before we sink. (and no I don't mean Trump specifically, that's a just a euphemism)

To argue about whether we should have sailed into the hurricane in the first place (no, we should not have) is not germane and accomplishes nothing at this point.

But I don't think that will happen...the "captain" is in cahoots with the bankers, owners and insurance companies to sink the ship on purpose.

So, in the end, I agree, an appeal to the state to do their job properly is pretty pointless.

Nevertheless I am going get my demands on the record.

[A Son of Liberty]

Close, but not quite.

STR is great site by the way, contributed to it many times over the years.

Let me clarify.

I don't think I will see any effective border control any more than I will see any meaningful reduction of the welfare/warfare/surveillance/police state.

I really do see what is happening at the border as an invasion, well planned, well thought out and manipulated by outside factors.

That, combined with the already unprecedented support for authoritarian collectivism among the native population, allowing tens of millions of migrants into the country will tip the scales to universal support for uni-party collectivist rule for the next 100 years or more.

I want the fedgov do what Ron Paul wanted it do....stop protecting borders overseas, come home and defend our borders, I want it to call out the militia, organized and un-organized, to do the same thing.

In other words, to fulfill one of the limited constitutional roles it had, in order to respond to, what I will maintain, is an invasion that will destroy any semblance of a limited, free government.

We already have active measures across the country to repeal the First and Second amendments to the bill of rights, to eliminate proportional senate representation, the electoral college and more.

I am appealing to the captain of the sinking ship of state to get off his ass, realize that we are taking on water in the middle of a hurricane and take bold and decisive action before we sink. (and no I don't mean Trump specifically, that's a just a euphemism)

To argue about whether we should have sailed into the hurricane in the first place (no, we should not have) is not germane and accomplishes nothing at this point.

But I don't think that will happen...the "captain" is in cahoots with the bankers, owners and insurance companies to sink the ship on purpose.

So, in the end, I agree, an appeal to the state to do their job properly is pretty pointless.

Nevertheless I am going get my demands on the record.

I didn't post that pic to direct hits to STR. I posted that pic because of the quote itself. Getting your demands on the record is "hacking at the branches". STRIKE THE ROOT. That's the point. Is it a better way to kill a tree to trim it twig by twig, branch by branch, limb by limb? Or is it better to strike at the root?

It's all pointless. You can be on record as hacking at the branches. Or you can be on record as standing against evil itself.

Speaking for myself, if I'm going to die anyway, I'd prefer my epitaph to read that I stood against evil at it's root.

[Anti Federalist]

I didn't post that pic to direct hits to STR. I posted that pic because of the quote itself. Getting your demands on the record is "hacking at the branches". STRIKE THE ROOT. That's the point. Is it a better way to kill a tree to trim it twig by twig, branch by branch, limb by limb? Or is it better to strike at the root?

I understand, still a good site though.

It's all pointless. You can be on record as hacking at the branches. Or you can be on record as standing against evil itself.

Speaking for myself, if I'm going to die anyway, I'd prefer my epitaph to read that I stood against evil at it's root.

I'm on the record as hacking at the branches, salting the roots, spraying Round Up over the whole $#@!ing thing.

Tough $#@!ing tree man.

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't post that pic to direct hits to STR. I posted that pic because of the quote itself. Getting your demands on the record is "hacking at the branches". STRIKE THE ROOT. That's the point. Is it a better way to kill a tree to trim it twig by twig, branch by branch, limb by limb? Or is it better to strike at the root?

It's all pointless. You can be on record as hacking at the branches. Or you can be on record as standing against evil itself.

Speaking for myself, if I'm going to die anyway, I'd prefer my epitaph to read that I stood against evil at it's root.

The root is people who want big government, trying to stop an invasion of such people is striking DIRECTLY at the root.

[A Son of Liberty]

Swing and a miss

[Wooden Indian]

I've changed my mind on this, AF. I want more socialist migrants, more fig teachers, and more Smollett MAGA fake rage.... and YOU should join me.

This camel's back is looking pretty damn shaky, and nothing brings down the house like a full blown camel-cide!

I believe there is something special about this nation, and it is blessed with a dangerous fury, managed by a kind heart.

That "The American Spirit" that and God given chutzpah make us dangerous animals... and even a thoroughly domesticated dog will bite your face off given enough kicks.

[Anti Federalist]

I've changed my mind on this, AF. I want more socialist migrants, more fig teachers, and more Smollett MAGA fake rage.... and YOU should join me.

This camel's back is looking pretty damn shaky, and nothing brings down the house like a full blown camel-cide!"

Moose killed by ticks:

I believe there is something special about this nation, and it is blessed with a dangerous fury, managed by a kind heart.

That "The American Spirit" that and God given chutzpah make us dangerous animals... and even a thoroughly domesticated dog will bite your face off given enough kicks.

The Beginnings

Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.

[TheTexan]

I understand, still a good site though.



I'm on the record as hacking at the branches, salting the roots, spraying Round Up over the whole $#@!ing thing.

Tough $#@!ing tree man.

Last time I needed a tree to be cut down I just hired Mexicans to do it.

[TheTexan]

The root is people who want big government

Indeed

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72393773912064

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73163076395009

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73372275728385

[Zippyjuan]

Tweet #1. We are focusing on Ports of Entry.
Tweet #2. We are not focusing on Ports of Entry.

[Swordsmyth]

Tweet #1. We are focusing on Ports of Entry.
Tweet #2. We are not focusing on Ports of Entry.

Tweet #1 we are shifting people FROM Ports of Entry to the rest of the border

[Zippyjuan]

Tweet #1 we are shifting people FROM Ports of Entry to the rest of the border

He sent 750 to the San Antonio area ports of entry.

[Swordsmyth]

He sent 750 to the San Antonio area ports of entry.

Link?

He says he is taking them FROM Ports of Entry and that will cause delays.

[ATruepatriot]

Link?

He says he is taking them FROM Ports of Entry and that will cause delays.

Actually he is right... I read it earlier also. If he can't find the link I will.

[devil21]

^^^^^^^


Too appropriate...

[Wooden Indian]

Last time I needed a tree to be cut down I just hired Mexicans to do it.

Came home... you're daughter was knocked up and the money was missing off of your dresser... I've seen it a thousand times.

[johnwk]

Trump is being creative in the manner he is closing down the border in order to send a shockwave to the Mexican Government and encourage it to start doing its part in stopping the flow of Central Americans flooding through Mexico on their way to America to get free government cheese.


The Trump Administration is re-assigning 750 border agents away from ports of entry and making them available to deal with the flood of unwanted border crossers. This of course slows down commercial movement of goods at ports of entry, and the pain is being felt by Mexico and encouraging it to do its part to stop the caravans from Central America.


Got to hand it to President Trump to find a way to act in America’s best interests when the Democrat Leadership, and tyrannical judges, have been using their office of public trust to flood our country with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminals of Central America.

JWK

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is being creative in the manner he is closing down the border in order to send a shockwave to the Mexican Government and encourage it to start doing its part in stopping the flow of Central Americans flooding through Mexico on their way to America to get free government cheese.


The Trump Administration is re-assigning 750 border agents away from ports of entry and making them available to deal with the flood of unwanted border crossers. This of course slows down commercial movement of goods at ports of entry, and the pain is being felt by Mexico and encouraging it to do its part to stop the caravans from Central America.


Got to hand it to President Trump to find a way to act in America’s best interests when the Democrat Leadership, and tyrannical judges, have been using their office of public trust to flood our country with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminals of Central America.

JWK

He has to juggle many different political and economic issues as well as the border and I don't know that he could do much better than he has, I'm hoping he has gotten to a point where he is able to start doing even more.

We need to take back the House in 2020 so we can fix our broken laws.

[Zippyjuan]

He has to juggle many different political and economic issues as well as the border and I don't know that he could do much better than he has, I'm hoping he has gotten to a point where he is able to start doing even more.

We need to take back the House in 2020 so we can fix our broken laws.

What laws were fixed when Republicans did have the House?

[Swordsmyth]

What laws were fixed when Republicans did have the House?

No immigration laws will be fixed if Demoncrats hold the House, that doesn't mean that they necessarily will be fixed if Republicans hold, there are other factors that need to be taken care of as well.

[Zippyjuan]

No immigration laws will be fixed if Demoncrats hold the House, that doesn't mean that they necessarily will be fixed if Republicans hold, there are other factors that need to be taken care of as well.

So they did nothing when they had the chance. What makes you think things will be any different next time?

[Swordsmyth]

So they did nothing when they had the chance. What makes you think things will be any different next time?

We won't have the same Speaker of the House and many of the Republican Reps will be different.

[johnwk]

What laws were fixed when Republicans did have the House?

Stop with the what-about-ism, and focus on securing out border so we are not overrun with the world's poverty stricken which would totally destroy our way of life.

JWK


There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

[Swordsmyth]

Stop with the what-about-ism, and focus on securing out border so we are not overrun with the world's poverty stricken which would totally destroy our way of life.

JWK


There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

That's like asking the devil to cease tempting mankind and preach repentance instead.

[johnwk]

Trump is being creative in the manner he is closing down the border in order to send a shockwave to the Mexican Government and encourage it to start doing its part in stopping the flow of Central Americans flooding through Mexico on their way to America to get free government cheese.


The Trump Administration is re-assigning 750 border agents away from ports of entry and making them available to deal with the flood of unwanted border crossers. This of course slows down commercial movement of goods at ports of entry, and the pain is being felt by Mexico and encouraging it to do its part to stop the caravans from Central America.


Got to hand it to President Trump to find a way to act in America’s best interests when the Democrat Leadership, and tyrannical judges, have been using their office of public trust to flood our country with the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled, disease carrying and criminals of Central America.

JWK

He has to juggle many different political and economic issues as well as the border and I don't know that he could do much better than he has, I'm hoping he has gotten to a point where he is able to start doing even more.

We need to take back the House in 2020 so we can fix our broken laws.

Slow walking commerce at ports of entry is a brilliant move, and has already encouraged Mexico to start cooperating with the United States in stopping the flow of caravan participants from Central America.


JWK


Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

[Zippyjuan]

Slow walking commerce at ports of entry is a brilliant move, and has already encouraged Mexico to start cooperating with the United States in stopping the flow of caravan participants from Central America.


JWK


Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

Who cares if it also costs US companies and consumers $billions? And jobs if it goes on long enough.

[Swordsmyth]

Who cares if it also costs US companies and consumers $billions? And jobs if it goes on long enough.

We will all lose more if the invasion is allowed to continue.

[Zippyjuan]

We will all lose more if the invasion is allowed to continue.

Good use of your key words from the book. "lose". "invasion".