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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    NEW: The Justice Department is reportedly considering making it easier to deport immigrants who use public benefits – Reuters
    — News Breaking LIVE (@NewsBreaking) May 3, 2019
    Not illegal immigrants but legal permanent residents. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/doj-...-benefits.html


    Currently, those legal permanent residents who are declared to be a “public charge,” or primarily dependent on the government for subsistence, can be deported — but in practice, this is very rare.

    The draft regulation would use a more expansive definition to include some immigrants who have used an array of public benefits, including cash welfare, food stamps, housing aid, or Medicaid.

    While the plan is at an early stage, might not become official government policy, and is likely to attract lawsuits, it is one part of efforts by the Trump administration to restrict legal immigration, in addition to its efforts to reduce illegal immigration to the United States.

    The full possible impact is not known, but the change in policy could affect permanent residents — also known as “green card” holders — who are legally entitled to use public benefits soon after their arrival in the United States, such as refugees.
    But due to a 1948 ruling, the deportation of immigrants for using public benefits has been strictly limited to cases in which the government has demanded payment for public services, and the person has failed to pay. Immigration lawyers said they have rarely if ever heard of someone being deported for using public benefits.
    According to federal policy, many permanent residents do not qualify for public benefits unless they have had a green card for five years, making it unlikely they could be targeted for deportation on the basis of “public charge” even under the draft rule.
    They need to be in the country for at least five years legally to become eligible for most of those benefits. Deporting somebody for obeying the law? If you don't want them to have benefits, you need to change the law.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...-non-citizens/

    With some exceptions, non-citizens entering the United States after August 22, 1996, the date of enactment of the welfare reform legislation, are not eligible for most welfare benefits, including Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), until they have been in the U.S. for at least five years. Keeping this general principle in mind, a more thorough review of the 1996 provisions reveals both their complexity and breadth.

    In determining welfare eligibility for non-citizens, two broad criteria are taken into account. The most general screen is the concept of “qualified” and “not qualified” alien. Generally, qualified aliens are non-citizens who have been permitted to reside permanently in the United States. They include legal permanent residents (LPRs), refugees, asylees, Cuban/Haitian entrants, and a few other categories. Qualified immigrants may be eligible for federal and state benefit programs that aim to help families with limited income and resources. Not qualified aliens (mostly illegal and temporary immigrants), by contrast, are ineligible for all except emergency benefits?a policy that was largely in place even before the 1996 reforms.

    The second factor is date of entry into the United States. Specifically, qualified immigrants who entered after August 22, 1996 are barred from SSI and food stamps until they become citizens and from TANF, Medicaid, and SCHIP for five years after entry. Qualified immigrants, who entered before August 22, 1996, have wider eligibility for these benefits, in part because states have elected to pay for the benefits and in part because federal legislation enacted since 1996 restored some benefits for those already in the United States. As a result, many immigrants who entered before 1996 are eligible for TANF, Medicaid, SCHIP, and SSI. Eligibility for food stamps is more restricted.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 05-04-2019 at 04:18 PM.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Not illegal immigrants but legal permanent residents. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/03/doj-...-benefits.html
    It will catch a lot of illegals too but it doesn't matter, getting rid of legal leeches is good too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They need to be in the country for at least five years legally to become eligible for most of those benefits. Deporting somebody for obeying the law? If you don't want them to have benefits, you need to change the law.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...-non-citizens/
    The law allows them to be deported for becoming public charges, it's a risk they take.
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  4. #63
    President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly reactivated a computer check that warns employers when their new employees are likely to be illegal immigrants.

    Democrats, however, are protesting the new push to protect American families from illegal immigrants in the nation’s job market.
    The so-called “no-match” letter warns employers that their employees’ claimed Social Security Numbers are suspect — and so allows the employers to minimize their legal risks by quietly firing the employees who do not have a right to work. The program was stopped by President Barack Obama mainly because it was so effective at warning employers.
    “It is a very good thing,” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies. She continued:
    Our government knows the name, address, and place of employment of millions of illegal workers … These jobs should be for Americans and legal workers … the market would bring wages up to $15 an hour for more workers if we didn’t have so much illegal employment.
    The policy should also identify the Social Security Numbers that have been stolen by illegals from Americans, she said. The government, she said:
    knows that millions of Americans have had their identity stolen by these workers … They know the scale of Social Security Number misuse is massive — but they certainly don’t want to have to deal with the millions of irate Americans who have to resolve misuse of their SSN.
    Many — but not all — employers will cooperate and fire the illegals, she predicted. “A lot of employers want to do the right thing, and they have been duped by false documents, and they want to get into compliance with the law.” However, the new policy will not deter the many employers who pay their illegal immigrants under the table, she said.


    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...als-from-jobs/
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  5. #64
    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) provided an additional payment of $9 million in border security funds. The payment is in addition to a previous $4 million grant awarded to the state earlier this year.

    DHS officials provided $9 million in grant funding to the State of Texas under the Operation Stonegarden Grant Program. Texas has now received a total of $13 million of the $30 million authorized in Operations Orders by DHS, according to a statement from the Office of the Texas Governor.
    Stonegarden provides grant funding through the State of Texas for the Texas Department of Public Safety, Kickapoo Traditional Tribe, and 16 other local law enforcement agencies in eight Texas border counties, the governor’s office stated. Those counties include: Cameron, Kenedy, McMullen, Presidio, Starr, Sutton, Val Verde, and Webb Counties.


    The governor’s office said the funds will be utilized for:

    • Upgrades to essential flight displays, global positioning systems, and overtime for DPS personnel supporting United States Border Patrol (USBP) with air patrols in each BP Sector along the Texas/Mexico border,
    • Body armor and overtime for Town of Laguna Vista officers participating in border patrol operations,
    • Specialized patrol vehicles for officers and deputies working overtime from the City of Falfurrias, City of Laredo, McMullen, Refugio, and Starr counties, as well as the Kickapoo Tribe,
    • Overtime and other operational costs for local agencies such as the counties listed above and the cities of Eagle Pass, Harlingen, Junction, and Town of Combes.
    “Texas’ border security efforts require a variety of strategies and approaches to keep our communities safe, and these additional grants will provide much-needed resources to law enforcement agencies to maintain their robust operations,” Texas Governor Greg Abbott said in a written statement. “I am committed to working alongside the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to secure our southern border, and I thank the men and women of law enforcement for working tirelessly to keep our border communities secure.”
    In April 2019, DHS officials announced that Operation Stonegarden would provide $90 million to states to “enhance cooperation and coordination among local, tribal, territorial, state, and federal law enforcement agencies to jointly enhance security along the United States land and water borders.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...urity-funding/
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  7. #65
    BREAKING: ICE has announced a new program that allows local law enforcement officers to start arresting and temporarily detaining illegal aliens on behalf of ICE, even if state and local policies prevent them from doing so – @RealSaavedra
    — BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) May 6, 2019
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  8. #66
    It appears leadership is working on a multi-prong strategy and is open-minded keeping in view human rights and diversity:



    MH1BGA

    Adelson: Let’s Pass Immigration Reform


    Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto awards White House senior adviser Jared Kushner the Order of the Aztec Eagle, the highest Mexican honor awarded to foreigners.

    Jared Kushner is taking over efforts to increase legal immigration
    Eric Lutz
    April 3, 2019
    According to Politico, Kushner has been working behind the scenes on a plan to expand some forms of legal immigration in an effort to “increase the number of low- and high-skilled workers” in the country.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...er-immigration

    Transgender Women from LGBTQ Caravan Granted Asylum

    Pence to offer US assistance to immigrants

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    It appears leadership is working on a multi-prong strategy and is open-minded keeping in view human rights and diversity:



    MH1BGA

    Adelson: Let’s Pass Immigration Reform


    Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto awards White House senior adviser Jared Kushner the Order of the Aztec Eagle, the highest Mexican honor awarded to foreigners.

    Jared Kushner is taking over efforts to increase legal immigration
    Eric Lutz
    April 3, 2019
    According to Politico, Kushner has been working behind the scenes on a plan to expand some forms of legal immigration in an effort to “increase the number of low- and high-skilled workers” in the country.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...er-immigration

    Transgender Women from LGBTQ Caravan Granted Asylum

    Pence to offer US assistance to immigrants
    Everything Trump has actually done has decreased immigration.
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  10. #68
    Obviously, that cannot be true if trump's NWO foreign policy is creating more immigrants, and then actually subsidizing them with "assistance" and "economic aid". As Ron Paul says, if you subsidize something, you get more of it.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-to-immigrants
    US Vice President Mike Pence is set to offer on Tuesday new incentives to Venezuela's military to turn against President Nicolas Maduro, Reuters reported Monday, citing a senior administration official.

    In a speech to the Americas Society at the US Department of State, Pence will also warn that Washington could soon sanction 25 additional magistrates on the Venezuelan supreme court, Reuters reported, citing the official on condition of anonymity.

    In addition, the US vice president will also offer assistance for refugees who have fled Venezuela and an economic aid package on a political transition, according to Reuters.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly reactivated a computer check that warns employers when their new employees are likely to be illegal immigrants.


    The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) provided an additional payment of $9 million in border security funds. The payment is in addition to a previous $4 million grant awarded to the state earlier this year.


    BREAKING: ICE has announced a new program that allows local law enforcement officers to start arresting and temporarily detaining illegal aliens on behalf of ICE, even if state and local policies prevent them from doing so – @RealSaavedra
    — BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) May 6, 2019



    Don't mess with ending incentives which is cheap, effective and doesn't tamper with freedom. Enormous government and Police State tactics are best. Government will save us all.

    What is best about all of this is Trump is a "Republican", so "republicans" root-toot support all of this. Had hitlery done any of this, it would have been a crime.

    People in this country are stupid and deserve everything they beg for.
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Don't mess with ending incentives which is cheap, effective and doesn't tamper with freedom. Enormous government and Police State tactics are best. Government will save us all.

    What is best about all of this is Trump is a "Republican", so "republicans" root-toot support all of this. Had hitlery done any of this, it would have been a crime.

    People in this country are stupid and deserve everything they beg for.
    The right has been wanting to end incentives for 20 years. The left refuse to allow it in any form. The left is solely to blame for this period. Even Ron Paul would have been shut down by the left if he had tried to do this. Fact. 180 degree spin in what you say here.

  13. #71
    The left isn't causing trump to offer additional new incentives, nor is the left controlling trump's NWO foreign policy that creates more immigrants. The only person responsible for those things is trump himself.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    The right has been wanting to end incentives for 20 years. The left refuse to allow it in any form. The left is solely to blame for this period. Even Ron Paul would have been shut down by the left if he had tried to do this. Fact. 180 degree spin in what you say here.
    Nope. How many times have the republicans controlled both the House and Senate under a republican president? Yet not a peep or a tweet.

    It is government. It does not matter what “party” is in control, their only motive/goal is to grooowwwwww government.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    The left isn't causing trump to offer additional new incentives
    How is Trump personally offering incentives promoting ILLEGAL Immigration? 180 Spin... Legal and Illegal are not the same issue as you would like to push.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    nor is the left controlling trump's NWO foreign policy that creates more immigrants.
    Since the NWO has been the communist left since Cloward Piven in the mid 60s this is a 180 spin also.

    Quote Originally Posted by invisible View Post
    The only person responsible for those things is trump himself.
    How and when did the liberty movement become so disconnected from reality and truth? I remember when the focus was always on honest objective truth in everything, now it has apparently been assimilated by those who push delusional irrational ideology based on one sided spin and falsehoods.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Nope. How many times have the republicans controlled both the House and Senate under a republican president? Yet not a peep or a tweet.

    It is government. It does not matter what “party” is in control, their only motive/goal is to grooowwwwww government.
    I was talking about the Republican voters. And we keep getting screwed out of what we voted for, once there the $#@!s change their tune and don't do what they promised. And trust me... Conservatives are not happy about this either. But The Republican voters have been pushing for these incentives to stop since the mid 60's. But this is not Trump or the voters, this is the bipartisan uniparty establishment mafia on both sides of the aisle. Both out of greed because it helps line their pockets. And like I say... Even Ron Paul would have run into the very same issue and not been able to fulfill his promise on this concept either. As much as we would like to think so, reality still comes into play, would we have thrown Ron under the bus as a liar in this case?

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Nope. How many times have the republicans controlled both the House and Senate under a republican president? Yet not a peep or a tweet.

    It is government. It does not matter what “party” is in control, their only motive/goal is to grooowwwwww government.
    The left is not confined the the Demoncrat party, RINOs abound.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The left is not confined the the Demoncrat party, RINOs abound.
    The establishment mafia is very bipartisan.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    The establishment mafia is very bipartisan.
    Many of them even pretend to be libertarians.
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The left is not confined the the Demoncrat party, RINOs abound.
    True dat, no dispute.

    But there are also "republicans" who follow fascist/leftist/anti-liberty agendas as long as politicians stick an "R" after their name.

    Take Trump-humpers, for instance:

    His followers will abandon the 4th Amendment (document/register people so that they become eligible), 2nd Amendment (raise age to 21 and ban bump stocks), fully support stealing other peoples property via government Eminent Domain to build a government structure and hire more government employees, and abandon Free Market principles to SUPPORT Minimum Wage jobs because they believe everybody should pay their "fair share" of taxes to the Fed and want to report companies which choose to engage in Private Contract Rights.

    I know a lot of life-long registered republicans who NEVER supported any of those positions under Obama and used to scream bloody murder when he was in office, but now that Trump is president they will follow him to hell and back.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Many of them even pretend to be libertarians.
    They are easy to spot. All you have to do is mention Private Property Rights and NAP and they start screaming Anarchist. Take you, for instance.
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    True dat, no dispute.

    But there are also "republicans" who follow fascist/leftist/anti-liberty agendas as long as politicians stick an "R" after their name.

    Take Trump-humpers, for instance:

    His followers will abandon the 4th Amendment (document/register people so that they become eligible),
    The 4thA doesn't give foreigners a right to come here without permission or to overstay their visit.


    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    2nd Amendment (raise age to 21 and ban bump stocks),
    I don't know of anybody who supports that.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    fully support stealing other peoples property via government Eminent Domain to build a government structure
    The wall is not my preferred solution but using Eminent Domain to build a wall on the border to stop the invasion is the best most defensible use of Eminent Domain that could be imagined and it is much better than allowing the invasion to continue and destroy liberty completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    and hire more government employees,
    Government has some legitimate functions and it needs to hire enough people to positions that perform them.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    and abandon Free Market principles to SUPPORT Minimum Wage jobs because they believe everybody should pay their "fair share" of taxes to the Fed and want to report companies which choose to engage in Private Contract Rights.
    I know of nobody who supports minimum wage laws and I know of nothing Trump has done to support them.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I know a lot of life-long registered republicans who NEVER supported any of those positions under Obama and used to scream bloody murder when he was in office, but now that Trump is president they will follow him to hell and back.
    You can find fools who support any politician, we had our share of fools who supported Ron.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    They are easy to spot. All you have to do is mention Private Property Rights and NAP and they start screaming Anarchist. Take you, for instance.
    LOL

    All you have to do is look for those who support open borders and anarchy that will ensure the loss of liberty.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The 4thA doesn't give foreigners a right to come here without permission or to overstay their visit.


    I don't know of anybody who supports that.
    He gets an easy pass.

    The wall is not my preferred solution but using Eminent Domain to build a wall on the border to stop the invasion is the best most defensible use of Eminent Domain that could be imagined and it is much better than allowing the invasion to continue and destroy liberty completely.
    No buts. I stand on principle and will scream End Incentives while defending Private Property til the day I croak.

    Government has some legitimate functions and it needs to hire enough people to positions that perform them.
    Not in my life-long experience. I have always found government to always get in the way and muck things totally up. I handle thing on my own and am very successful.

    I know of nobody who supports minimum wage laws and I know of nothing Trump has done to support them.
    Good intentions lead to bad consequences. By funneling folks into those entry points, mandating them to obtain documentation, threating lawsuits to businesses which employ undocumented people who do not pay their "fare share" of taxes, just what do think all of those initiatives do? Lead to liberty/freedom LOL?

    You can find fools who support any politician, we had our share of fools who supported Ron.

    Yep I'm certain I met you down at Tampa convention.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    True dat, no dispute.

    But there are also "republicans" who follow fascist/leftist/anti-liberty agendas as long as politicians stick an "R" after their name.

    Take Trump-humpers, for instance:

    His followers will abandon the 4th Amendment (document/register people so that they become eligible), 2nd Amendment (raise age to 21 and ban bump stocks), fully support stealing other peoples property via government Eminent Domain to build a government structure and hire more government employees, and abandon Free Market principles to SUPPORT Minimum Wage jobs because they believe everybody should pay their "fair share" of taxes to the Fed and want to report companies which choose to engage in Private Contract Rights.

    I know a lot of life-long registered republicans who NEVER supported any of those positions under Obama and used to scream bloody murder when he was in office, but now that Trump is president they will follow him to hell and back.
    May I drop into this to make an important point? You are absolutely right, there are a large number of hardline trump lovers and Ooh Rah military out there. But trust me... you are NOT going to find them here on RP forums, they HATE Ron Paul. Like myself there are those here who are just scared to death at the thought of the coming communism from the left. Trump has just bought us some valuable time to regroup. Hopefully you are wise enough to know we do not want socialism/communism. And I know you might not believe this, but I also hang in Conservative boards and the antiwar sentiment is now 9 out of 10 who are now antiwar and not any happier with what is happening than we are. As for Immigration? Legal good, illegal bad is the sentiment among conservatives. And they are indeed two different issues to be dealt with separately even though the left will tell you they are the same. They are not...

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    All you have to do is look for those who support open borders and anarchy that will ensure the loss of liberty.
    So by me traveling, wasting my gas having to drive all over the place looking for an entry/exit point, stopped to show my papers, risk getting searched if they are "suspicious", or if they find the $10,000 in cash I brought with me that I saved all my life only to be confiscated - that increases my liberty?

    I get it. You think germany under hitler is the way to go to maximize liberty/freedom.

    LOL
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  29. #85
    Foreigners do need our permission to come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    He gets an easy pass.
    No he doesn't.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No buts. I stand on principle and will scream End Incentives while defending Private Property til the day I croak.
    Life is full of buts and your position would ensure that liberty was smothered under a flood of communists and incentives would only increase.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Not in my life-long experience. I have always found government to always get in the way and muck things totally up. I handle thing on my own and am very successful.
    You have a limited experience and have always benefited from the existence of government that has done a minimal job at performing its legitimate functions.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Good intentions lead to bad consequences. By funneling folks into those entry points, mandating them to obtain documentation, threating lawsuits to businesses which employ undocumented people who do not pay their "fare share" of taxes, just what do think all of those initiatives do? Lead to liberty/freedom LOL?
    It leads to more liberty and freedom than letting an unlimited number of communists invade.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Yep I'm certain I met you down at Tampa convention.
    I've never been there.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    May I drop into this to make an important point? You are absolutely right, there are a large number of hardline trump lovers and Ooh Rah military out there. But trust me... you are NOT going to find them here on RP forums, they HATE Ron Paul. Like myself there are those here who are just scared to death at the thought of the coming communism from the left. Trump has just bought us some valuable time to regroup. Hopefully you are wise enough to know we do not want socialism/communism. And I know you might not believe this, but I also hang in Conservative boards and the antiwar sentiment is now 9 out of 10 who are now antiwar and not any happier with what is happening than we are. As for Immigration? Legal good, illegal bad is the sentiment among conservatives. And they are indeed two different issues to be dealt with separately even though the left will tell you they are the same. They are not...
    "Illegal" is a term construct created by corrupt government that need to know who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.

    I can't help what conservatives believe. Perhaps they should look into NAP and Contract and Property Rights. That would solve most every problem. But just because they don't doesn't mean that I am going to lower my own standards or sacrifice my own liberty/freedom ;-)
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So by me traveling, wasting my gas having to drive all over the place looking for an entry/exit point, stopped to show my papers, risk getting searched if they are "suspicious", or if they find the $10,000 in cash I brought with me that I saved all my life only to be confiscated - that increases my liberty?

    I get it. You think germany under hitler is the way to go to maximize liberty/freedom.

    LOL
    The USSR under Stalin or China under Mao is what we will get if you open borders simpletons get your way, that will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    "Illegal" is a term construct created by corrupt government that need to know who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.
    Bunk, illegals are those who violate our rules and limits and invade, we have a right to limit who can come here in order to prevent being overrun by communists who will be much more interested in who you are, where you are going, what your business is, and most importantly: ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE FED.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I can't help what conservatives believe. Perhaps they should look into NAP and Contract and Property Rights. That would solve most every problem. But just because they don't doesn't mean that I am going to lower my own standards or sacrifice my own liberty/freedom ;-)
    Ignoring reality is not upholding standards nor will it preserve your freedom/liberty.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Foreigners do need our permission to come here.

    No, they need YOUR permission.

    I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.

    Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)
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    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No, they need YOUR permission.

    I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.

    Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)
    If you think you are not already paying for them indirectly think again.

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