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    Exclamation The MIAC report ten years later, and the utter failure of the "liberty movement"...

    Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

    I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below.

    And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

    SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

    Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

    The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

    Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

    And we failed to do it.

    "Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

    And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

    Well...we failed...that's what happened.

    And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

    God damn us all, myself included.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor_Jeep View Post
    Remember folks.

    This revolution, calling for an end to the Fed, the IRS, the warfare and welfare states - you are calling for the end of a system that is fostered and run by people who would kill you for money.

    Those fat cats, globalists, and whatever else you want to call them: they kill for money and power.

    It's hard for someone who lives on the principles of wanting to be left alone and willing to do the same to fathom or understand the kind of mind that wants power and money.

    We can marvel at this, these people, who have enough money to fly their helicopters over our traffic jams, don't have to eat the poison we are stuck with in our supermarkets, can live in their mansions in their private little islands.... I can go on.

    What is it then, that while they have it all, they keep wanting to take and take and take.

    Understand that, and you understand what you are really dealing with. Some dare call it evil, others call it greed. It makes as much sense as a gambling addiction: "Why?". But nobody calls the personality of a plutocrat to be a disorder - yet.

    These are people who will start a war in a small country and kill tens of thousands so they can get an oil pipeline or take over the drug operations there.

    These are people who will (and have) paid farmers to plow crops under to keep prices up, and the power of their fiat money, while people starved to death (this was in the USA, by the way).

    These are people who run a black op government, a pit of lies so deep they even lose themselves in it, for killing stealing, and to relish in it.

    So what makes you think you are automatically safe from them because all you did was politely ask for your freedom back? What makes you think you would not be a target when you demand real money - the kind that they cannot maintain power over? What makes you think you would not be demonized when you ask to keep what money you have when they rely on it to keep their system rolling? What would the drug dealer in your town do to you if you tried to get drugs legalized? Get the picture?

    Their system is going bankrupt, their legitimacy is going with it. It's no longer just a few living thinking Paulians and libertarians in a world of brainless consumer zombies.

    There are a lot of theives and murderers in their smokey backrooms, getting scared.

    And they have good reason to be.

    And the so-called "militia" they are afraid of, they are more afraid of that militia than anything else. But not for what that militia can do. In fact, that militia, alone, cannot do anything. Even worse, that militia is not trained well enough - or not "well regulated". It's not "Bubba and his SKS" they are afraid of.

    That militia needs the activists, the legal eagles, and the philosophers. They need the militia. Most of them are the militia. The militia are also activists when you consider that war is diplomacy by other means. When the choice is comply and starve, or do not comply and be arrested or killed, then someone is going to die anyway.

    Because the 3 latter elements are what a real movement towards freedom needs. Militia are just guys with guns, mostly. Ask anyone who considered himself "militia" over the years or in some respect beyond what George Mason would say it is, and he will say he is not surprised at this MIAC fiasco.

    But here is the funny part: most of them would have never put a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car anyway. They know this game - the rest of you are learning it. This is an old game. There is a long list of people who did demand their liberty and got nailed to the wall for it.

    You want to know what stands between the plutocrats and their power?

    It's not the militia.

    It's you. All of you.

    If they can get you to run from, or abandon the militia concept, chase the gun owners out of the CFL and other groups, and have the rest of you constantly being apologetic for your views, starting every article or point with "Well, I'm not for condoning violence but....". Then you all will spend your entire lives, or the rest of it, going nowhere. One ignored petition after the other, one ignored - if not smeared and ridiculed - candidate after the other. And when you are old and gray, if you are allowed to live that long under socialist health care, you will look back to a life of failure.


    Will you fail to realize it, like all those McCain supporters and useless GOP hacks who worked against us?

    Or will you accept it?

    But what, then, are the plutocrats most afraid of?

    There is a punchline coming, so pay attention.

    The "militia", I put it in quotes because I lean more towards the George Mason concept that it's everybody, but there are people who are above and beyond that concept, knows better than to engage the minions in the field.

    Yes you see, the upper echelons of the militia, those people who have more than just a rifle and a voter registration card, know better than to engage the minions.


    Here is the punchline:


    They write these papers to make sure the minions are the ones thinking they are the target of this so-called militia, so they are led to engage them first, but on behalf of the plutocrats. The cops, soldiers, agents, have to live in this country too. Their kids are just as screwed as anyone elses. The MIAC document is more intended to screw with their heads than screw with yours. If it screws with yours it's just a bonus.

    But the idea is to have them thinking they are the target, and the victim, and act in kind. What folly we have seen so far in this culture, where people are shot dead when unarmed for making a fast move like blocking a bright light in their face or reaching for drivers license.


    You see, if YOU do your job, the militia can do it's job - which is to defend liberty. Right now, there is nothing for any militia to do, other than make the enemy think twice before going total tyranny. That is, they(the tyrants) have to take time to lie about what they are doing, lest the tyrants look like tyrants which is what they cannot afford to do. They need to run this country like a concentration camp, while we got people looking about for real camps. When you claim this country is a prison, people don't see barbed wire and guard dogs, so they think you are a nut, in spite of all the facts behind your points.

    So why lump peaceful activists in with this?

    This is to keep you guys from being one and the same. This tactic was successfully done with gun control in the early 90s, as an example. When they managed to seperate the hunters and "golfers with guns" from the people who kept evil black rifles for the implication of the seconds amendment, it became possible to get that level of gun control they sought. For a short time, anyway.

    If they get the armed men, the riflemen, out standing alone as a separate movement to be demonized, set up, and destroyed, just as they did in the 90s, they can finally destroy the militia that exists under 2A and condemn the rest of you to a lifestyle of having only enough freedom to complain about not having freedom.

    Some of you took the bait. On some of you that worked.

    Now, they want everybody engaging their minions, the brainwashed police mostly, by having their minions in a state of hyperventilating hysterics so much that they can cause an incident. Of course the militia, already knowing this game, will not take this bait. This was already tried over Ed Brown in NH. Remember how the marshalls fretted over the militia threat, then put agents out in the open with light armor and a nylon gazebo. But the militia in NH did not take the bait. Provokers unleashed all over the internet wailed an gnashed their teeth over them "not doing anything", as if they should just start the shooting, but as scripture says, wisdom is always better than weapons of war.

    Now, if you all do your job, the militia can do it's job. And that job has two parts:

    1. When the leviathan is starting to get beaten in it's own courts, in it's own media, and loses all credibility, it will, again as before and with the same expectation as in Patrick Henry's "War Inevitable" speech, do what it does best. Resort to violence. They will send SWAT, the good guys will send riflemen. Any other way, and it's just another "evil white guys with guns killing poor sweet innoocent law enforcement agents!". This is so much the factor that they might produce another OKC, with the same suspiscious circumstances (that will persist in their media for 5 minutes, and then only be recalled by infowars and they will send an army of paid Sheer Coincidence Theorists to debunk the facts).
    2. Once America is restored, the militia, as an enforcement wing under Article 1, Section 8, go after the plutocrats themselves and bring them back for their crimes. Yes, the fat cat will be hunted down in his compound somewhere, and brought to justice one way or the other. A real congress would see to the proper charges. This is why the militia has no intention of going toe-to-toe with the minions on their terms and getting killed now. The minions, the cops, are not operating with all of the facts. They are like trained dogs. And that dog still needs to be fed. The problem is not the cops or the military, it's the system that fills their food dish. What we are seeing in how they act is exactly how people act when given authority without responsibility. History is full of such results, and rather than attempt to beat human nature (the failed endeavor of progressives), it's better to maintain a just system with strict rules for all parties. But the people behind it - the tyranny, win or lose, can expect to be living in an armed compound in Dubai or Bolivia for the rest of their lives.


    And there you have it. If the Paulians, Reaganites, CFL, YAL, etc do their job, there will be another 1775. Not because we want it, not because we want violence or bloodshed. I think Benjamin Martin, Mel Gibson's characer in "The Patriot" detailed these implications in particular in describing that this war would affect us in such ways as being everywhere, but it's freedom we want, from an entity that does not intend to give it. Asking niceley is merely a formality that makes you look good in the history books.

    The enemy kills for power and money. They always have, always will. I need not have to describe then what you have to do to keep from being subjugated by them, and to keep your money.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 03-23-2019 at 01:03 AM.
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    Could we consider a possibility of RPF campaign being simply sabotaged back in 2008?
    Last edited by timosman; 03-23-2019 at 01:21 AM.

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    Without a doubt, there can be no compromise on the 2A. BumpstockTrump did exactly what the Left and many on the Right want: to incrementally chip away at our rights in the absence of an event that will allow for a major infringement.

    But I can empathize with and can appreciate Doktor_Jeep's frustration.

    Maybe its the online groups and forums that I belong to but I still have hope.

    I still see a lot of awakening especially as government grows and we continue to lose our rights under the watch of both Repubs and Dems.

    We're trying to instill or revive principles of freedom and individual liberties and while this liberty stealing juggernaut of a government moves forward, I dont believe that we're unable to stop it.

    We didnt choose to be libertarians, it chose us.

    And once youve been chosen, theres really no stopping it. It essentially defines who we are and from there we embark on a process of growth, learning, understanding, teaching and "preaching".

    I dont see the situation as a complete loss, maybe naively so, I see it as setbacks, ones that can be overcome.
    Last edited by unknown; 03-23-2019 at 01:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Could we consider a possibility of RPF campaign being simply sabotaged back in 2008?
    Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.
    AF is simply a defeatist. While I was able to imagine Ron as a POTUS, I've always had trouble accepting Jesse as one of the most powerful players in the nation and actually had to hold my nose. Ron needed somebody with a little bigger set of balls. Nepotism did us all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.
    But it could have been even more successful.
    I'm not talking about Dr. Ron becoming president either, he would have been killed or impeached if he did, I'm talking about taking over a major portion of the Republican party and permanently shifting the politics of this country in the right direction.

    We actually made progress towards that in 2008, it was 2012 that stopped us short of what could have been.

    Now Trump as imperfect as he is is moving things more in the right direction than we did.



    There is still hope AF, but we do live in a worse reality than we could have had and there will now be a worse crisis where we have a harder fight and more blood is spilled even if the best possibilities happen.

    Movements need leaders, Ron was ours but he retired (and he deserved to retire), Rand was supposed to be our next leader but he never appealed to those in the movement or in the Republican voter base the way Ron did and we are effectively leaderless unless a new leader comes along.
    Trump is the least of all possible goods but he IS a LEADER and until we find a better leader he is the best shot we have at making any progress.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I have faith in God and therefore I will always have Liberty and Freedom.

    2 Corinthians 3:17 | KJV
    Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    Galatians 5:1 | KJV
    Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

    James 1:25 | KJV
    But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed

    Psalm 119:45 | KJV
    And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    AF is simply a defeatist. While I was able to imagine Ron as a POTUS, I've always had trouble accepting Jesse as one of the most powerful players in the nation and actually had to hold my nose. Ron needed somebody with a little bigger set of balls. Nepotism did us all in.
    I won't argue that point at all.



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    I still don't think Adam Kokesh's plan for an armed peaceful march on D.C. was wrong. Too bad there were not enough to bring it off and too many hand wringing detractors.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ed-march-on-DC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

    I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below.

    And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

    SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

    Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

    The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

    Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

    And we failed to do it.

    "Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

    And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

    Well...we failed...that's what happened.

    And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

    God damn us all, myself included.
    For one, the quest to overthrow TPTD was always a daunting task in fact I would say that it was mission impossible, chances of victory was slim to none, victory never guaranteed and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew that from the get go.

    Getting that out of the way, I would try and break down the relevant part of the post. Below is Doktor's description of the enemy, now ask yourself this question "Who in today's world is he describing?" and who in this frum has given up and started supporting this individual? Some of us are guilty of not fighting strong enough while other are guilty of joining forces with the enemy for personal gains at the expense of the liberty movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor_Jeep View Post

    These are people who will start a war in a small country and kill tens of thousands so they can get an oil pipeline or take over the drug operations there.

    These are people who will (and have) paid farmers to plow crops under to keep prices up, and the power of their fiat money, while people starved to death (this was in the USA, by the way).

    These are people who run a black op government, a pit of lies so deep they even lose themselves in it, for killing stealing, and to relish in it.

    The enemy kills for power and money. They always have, always will. I need not have to describe then what you have to do to keep from being subjugated by them, and to keep your money.
    Also here he talks about his recommendation of what to do inorder to defeat the enemy. And here, I am not even sure we had the opportunity to do step one talkless of step two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor_Jeep View Post

    Now, if you all do your job, the militia can do it's job. And that job has two parts:

    1. When the leviathan is starting to get beaten in it's own courts, in it's own media, and loses all credibility, it will, again as before and with the same expectation as in Patrick Henry's "War Inevitable" speech, do what it does best. Resort to violence. They will send SWAT, the good guys will send riflemen. Any other way, and it's just another "evil white guys with guns killing poor sweet innoocent law enforcement agents!". This is so much the factor that they might produce another OKC, with the same suspiscious circumstances (that will persist in their media for 5 minutes, and then only be recalled by infowars and they will send an army of paid Sheer Coincidence Theorists to debunk the facts).
    2. Once America is restored, the militia, as an enforcement wing under Article 1, Section 8, go after the plutocrats themselves and bring them back for their crimes. Yes, the fat cat will be hunted down in his compound somewhere, and brought to justice one way or the other. A real congress would see to the proper charges. This is why the militia has no intention of going toe-to-toe with the minions on their terms and getting killed now. The minions, the cops, are not operating with all of the facts. They are like trained dogs. And that dog still needs to be fed. The problem is not the cops or the military, it's the system that fills their food dish. What we are seeing in how they act is exactly how people act when given authority without responsibility. History is full of such results, and rather than attempt to beat human nature (the failed endeavor of progressives), it's better to maintain a just system with strict rules for all parties. But the people behind it - the tyranny, win or lose, can expect to be living in an armed compound in Dubai or Bolivia for the rest of their lives.

    You see, if YOU do your job, the militia can do it's job - which is to defend liberty. Right now, there is nothing for any militia to do, other than make the enemy think twice before going total tyranny. That is, they(the tyrants) have to take time to lie about what they are doing, lest the tyrants look like tyrants which is what they cannot afford to do. They need to run this country like a concentration camp, while we got people looking about for real camps. When you claim this country is a prison, people don't see barbed wire and guard dogs, so they think you are a nut, in spite of all the facts behind your points.
    I have read this quite a few times and I couldn't really get the gist of some of the things he was saying seeing as there are some pronouns and groups mentioned in the post that I am not sure who/what he is referring to. So again I don't even think we have an opportunity to implement his plan and even if we did, there is a small chance that it would have suceeded. And talking about a concentration camp without fences, soon enough we would have real fences, guards and maybe machine gun nests at the border and prominent members of the forum will cheer this development.

    Another part that jumped out at me is this paragraph.

    If they can get you to run from, or abandon the militia concept, chase the gun owners out of the CFL and other groups, and have the rest of you constantly being apologetic for your views, starting every article or point with "Well, I'm not for condoning violence but....". Then you all will spend your entire lives, or the rest of it, going nowhere. One ignored petition after the other, one ignored - if not smeared and ridiculed - candidate after the other. And when you are old and gray, if you are allowed to live that long under socialist health care, you will look back to a life of failure.

    Will you fail to realize it, like all those McCain supporters and useless GOP hacks who worked against us?
    We have abandoned the militia and worse than that, many of us here have ended up supporting the useless GOP hacks who worked against us. The sad part is that many of these people do not even realize what they have become(not talking about the members that joined after 2016).

    This is to keep you guys from being one and the same. This tactic was successfully done with gun control in the early 90s, as an example. When they managed to seperate the hunters and "golfers with guns" from the people who kept evil black rifles for the implication of the seconds amendment, it became possible to get that level of gun control they sought. For a short time, anyway.
    Above, I think he is talking about a divide and conquer strategy by TPDB. Enjoyed reading the post, so thanks for posting it
    Well, thats my 2 cents on the topic.
    Last edited by juleswin; 03-23-2019 at 09:06 AM.

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    thanks
    morris!
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I won't argue that point at all.
    I've never been accused of being sunshine and lollipops, that's for damn sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've never been accused of being sunshine and lollipops, that's for damn sure.
    Me either. And it's getting worse as I age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Me either. And it's getting worse as I age.
    Tell me about it...in the same boat myself.

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    Violence will get us nowhere. We just need to really buckle down, tighten our belts, and just vote like really hard.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    I remember those early days here. I would run off to other forums feeling like the Minutemen of old, spreading the word of approaching tyranny. No one cared outside of our bubble.

    These days we see worse, but we have become like the frog in the slow boil.
    ...



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    Why don't we all register Libertarian if your not already. Donate and be active there as best you can and vote for Libertarian candidates regardless. Taking the good, the bad, and the ugly of that party because its our best shot. with the goal of simply being recognized as a third party on the national stage where we can tap into federal funding to move forward.

    The GOP is not going to help us, the DEMS are not going to help us. Were on our own.

    I'll start with this link.
    https://www.lp.org/

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Why don't we all register Libertarian if your not already. Donate and be active there as best you can and vote for Libertarian candidates regardless. Taking the good, the bad, and the ugly of that party because its our best shot. with the goal of simply being recognized as a third party on the national stage where we can tap into federal funding to move forward.

    The GOP is not going to help us, the DEMS are not going to help us. Were on our own.

    I'll start with this link.
    https://www.lp.org/
    Could work. I don't think anyone has ever tried that before.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Gold, Sliver, Lead.

    I await the arrival of my friend Chris to tell me I'm being too cynical. I pray he's right!

    Libertarians don't need a leader. But converting people to libertarianism is a process which is aided tremendously by a "leader" - a media personality with reach on the scale of Trump and AOC. The Nationalists and the Socialists have these representatives, and they're drawing lines and signing recruits. We're left with wishy-washy, milquetoast GOP'ers like Rand, I'm sorry to say. This was always my problem with him - STAND FOR PRINCIPLE. Ron BREATHED FIRE into this movement. Hell, I'm HERE because of Ron. I never would have shown up if it was Rand carrying the banner. I get that he was "good enough" for those of you who were already here. But Rand didn't move the needle for those who were looking for a message. Because he didn't have a message. He had a "strategy". It's no coincidence that Bernie Sanders gained popularity in the vacuum left by Ron. When Ron fairly stepped back, Bernie stepped into the vacuum. Bernie, and Trump. The Socialists and the Nationalists. And on a separate matter, the Nationalists have taken unfortunately large pieces of territory previously held by Ron... Hello Swordsmyth, hello timosman. Again, the vacuum was filled.

    The fact is, the movement needs someone on the national media radar to stand up and raise the black flag, spit into their hands and start cutting throats. Until that happens, I'm stacking gold, silver and lead and waiting for the $#@! to start.

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    Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

    The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

    Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

    If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

    Because Moving > Complaining
    Last edited by Gumba of Liberty; 03-24-2019 at 01:34 PM.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

    The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

    Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

    If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

    Because Moving > Complaining
    So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

    Got it...

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

    The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

    Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

    If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

    Because Moving > Complaining
    Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

    Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The lack of leadership(Rand DOES NOT count) is one of the main reasons why you are seeing the fracturing, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusionment, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.
    Last edited by juleswin; 03-24-2019 at 02:53 PM.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

    Got it...
    I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

    Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The reason why you are seeing the fracture, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusion, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.
    You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

    The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

    The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

    ...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?
    Fair enough

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

    The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

    The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

    ...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.
    You are right but so am I and so is Jules.
    We need a leader to give us a cultural presence so people will listen to us, like it or not we need the sheeple because there aren't enough sheepdogs.
    If we can get the sheeple to listen to us we can convert many of them into sheepdogs.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #28
    The powerful want both Money and Power because its their Bad Money that gives them Power to begin with.

    Once they get their Bad Money, they push out the good money and poison the Real Money anyone else has, which makes those who have little money, either bad or good, hopelessly dependent on those with the power to issue it. That buys their power. They buy violence. They buy off the guy sitting on the fence and bring those people to their side. There are too many people in the world that would willingly trade the life of another for their own cushy life of servitude conducting violence against any who speak out against the principles of tyranny.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  33. #29
    If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.
    Anybody in the LP come to mind? I'm not that up to speed.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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